Republicans Black Americas True Friend

[Pheonixops]

"Black pundits say that to be black and Republican makes one a despicable race-traitor worthy of no-holds-barred punishment. As a black conservative Republican, I'm not frightened by this; it just angers and frustrates me.

My frustration comes from the knowledge that those claiming to have black America's empowerment and best interest at heart are the "elephant in the room" problem. They lie to black America. Who are "they"? They are Democrats committed to keeping blacks viewing themselves as victims. They are racist, bitter black politicians with huge chips on their shoulders, seeking eternal "payback" for America's original sin of slavery. These black politicians are rewarded by the Democrats for delivering black votes.

So there you have it, black America: these are your so-called advocates. And how do they help you? They lie to you. They tell you that 70% of black youths dropping out of high school is not your fault. They tell you that prisons filled with black males is not their fault. They tell you that 80% of black kids growing up without a father is not your fault. They tell you that black genocide -- half of black pregnancies ending in abortion -- is not your fault............."

lloyd marcus


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I don't know about the GOP being our best friend, but it's the better party between the two major parties. His point about black democrat leaders is spot on

I don't think either party is a friend of the black man. The Dimocrats are committed to keeping the black man dependent on scraps they push off of the table and never give them a place at the table, since those scraps, while they don't lead to the best life, they keep them as obedient voters!

Republicans have given up on the group, since they aren't going to complete with entitlements and they concentrate on society as a whole and not the segments as the Dimocrats do.

I agree about neither party being a "friend", I disagree with that crap about the democrats wanting to "keep the Black man dependent on scraps they push off of the table" , that an insulting CROCK OF CRAP. This it seems to indicate that you "think" the majority of "the Blacks" have a "handout mentality" and or on handouts, I venture to say that you would be very wrong if you think that way.
As far as a "place at the table", that an ignorant statement when we have a President who has Black blood flowing through his veins and the majority of Black Congressmen and women who are Black are......................Democrats and NOT Republicans. What have the modern republicans done for "the Blacks"? Insult them with inaccurate blanket generalizations? Thanks for the laugh! What a JOKE!

 

[Pheonixops]

I don't know about the GOP being our best friend, but it's the better party between the two major parties. His point about black democrat leaders is spot on

I don't think either party is a friend of the black man. The Dimocrats are committed to keeping the black man dependent on scraps they push off of the table and never give them a place at the table, since those scraps, while they don't lead to the best life, they keep them as obedient voters!

Republicans have given up on the group, since they aren't going to complete with entitlements and they concentrate on society as a whole and not the segments as the Dimocrats do.

I hear you. But republicans haven't given up on the black vote, they've put effort in to gain more black voters with all sorts of campaigns. Were or are they being effective? Don't know but I doubt it.

And yes, they're not going to compete with the dems entitlements, there are other ways of convincing black folks than offering them hand outs, like showing how those entitlements have hurt the community, how they began, etc.

Focus on civil liberties and the history of failure of the welfare state and I have faith that 90% dem lockstep will change. Information is the key.

Can you name a few of those "campaigns"?

When the Republicans had both Houses and a Republican President, did they cut any "entitlements" or did the EXPAND them (see Medicare part D)??? Did the previous "savior" Republican Administrations decrease the size of government or did they GROW government? Did the previous Republican Administration focus on our Civil Liberties or did they pass certain acts that decreased our Civil Liberties???

Who is the ONE Republican candidate that wants to cut the "entitlements", decrease the size of government, and focus on Civil Liberties? How is he (Ron Paul) polling amongst your republican friends? Now, how are you big government republicans polling amongst your republican "conservative' friends????? So this crap about the republicans being so pristine and "saving the day" is just that .....crap.

 

[LockeJaw]

I don't think either party is a friend of the black man. The Dimocrats are committed to keeping the black man dependent on scraps they push off of the table and never give them a place at the table, since those scraps, while they don't lead to the best life, they keep them as obedient voters!

Republicans have given up on the group, since they aren't going to complete with entitlements and they concentrate on society as a whole and not the segments as the Dimocrats do.

I hear you. But republicans haven't given up on the black vote, they've put effort in to gain more black voters with all sorts of campaigns. Were or are they being effective? Don't know but I doubt it.

And yes, they're not going to compete with the dems entitlements, there are other ways of convincing black folks than offering them hand outs, like showing how those entitlements have hurt the community, how they began, etc.

Focus on civil liberties and the history of failure of the welfare state and I have faith that 90% dem lockstep will change. Information is the key.

Can you name a few of those "campaigns"?

When the Republicans had both Houses and a Republican President, did they cut any "entitlements" or did the EXPAND them (see Medicare part D)??? Did the previous "savior" Republican Administrations decrease the size of government or did they GROW government? Did the previous Republican Administration focus on our Civil Liberties or did they pass certain acts that decreased our Civil Liberties???

Who is the ONE Republican candidate that wants to cut the "entitlements", decrease the size of government, and focus on Civil Liberties? How is he (Ron Paul) polling amongst your republican friends? Now, how are you big government republicans polling amongst your republican "conservative' friends????? So this crap about the republicans being so pristine and "saving the day" is just that .....crap.

There are plenty talking about cutting entitlements right now. What did I ever say that lead you to believe I think they are "pristine"? That came from out of nowhere. All I know is they better do it this time or I will be forced to vote Libertarian Party for good. No more BS. Cut government and entitlements, stop infringing on our constitutional rights,that is what I want. You cannot tell me the democrats are more likely to do so, they only want government and entitlement expansion. So I go with the only viable choice.

As far as the campaigns to attract black folks I'm sure you've seen them.

 

[LockeJaw]

I don't know about the GOP being our best friend, but it's the better party between the two major parties. His point about black democrat leaders is spot on

I don't think either party is a friend of the black man. The Dimocrats are committed to keeping the black man dependent on scraps they push off of the table and never give them a place at the table, since those scraps, while they don't lead to the best life, they keep them as obedient voters!

Republicans have given up on the group, since they aren't going to complete with entitlements and they concentrate on society as a whole and not the segments as the Dimocrats do.

I agree about neither party being a "friend", I disagree with that crap about the democrats wanting to "keep the Black man dependent on scraps they push off of the table" , that an insulting CROCK OF CRAP. This it seems to indicate that you "think" the majority of "the Blacks" have a "handout mentality" and or on handouts, I venture to say that you would be very wrong if you think that way.
As far as a "place at the table", that an ignorant statement when we have a President who has Black blood flowing through his veins and the majority of Black Congressmen and women who are Black are......................Democrats and NOT Republicans. What have the modern republicans done for "the Blacks"? Insult them with inaccurate blanket generalizations? Thanks for the laugh! What a JOKE!

As if it isn't insulting that Democrats act as if black folks need the government to hold their hands and know what's best for us. Yeesh, phoenixops... You're losing me here.

 

[ducks102]

reoublicans should stop being racist before they start with policies.

Majority of black people think republicans have a race problem.

 

[rdean]

They just proved that in Florida.

 

[GuyPinestra]

reoublicans should stop being racist before they start with policies.

Majority of black people think republicans have a race problem.

Because that's what the fucking DNC TELLS you to think.

Better than half the white people you know are Republicans, are they all racists?

Don't bother answering, you see racists in your fucking closet!

 

[Pheonixops]

I hear you. But republicans haven't given up on the black vote, they've put effort in to gain more black voters with all sorts of campaigns. Were or are they being effective? Don't know but I doubt it.

And yes, they're not going to compete with the dems entitlements, there are other ways of convincing black folks than offering them hand outs, like showing how those entitlements have hurt the community, how they began, etc.

Focus on civil liberties and the history of failure of the welfare state and I have faith that 90% dem lockstep will change. Information is the key.

Can you name a few of those "campaigns"?

When the Republicans had both Houses and a Republican President, did they cut any "entitlements" or did the EXPAND them (see Medicare part D)??? Did the previous "savior" Republican Administrations decrease the size of government or did they GROW government? Did the previous Republican Administration focus on our Civil Liberties or did they pass certain acts that decreased our Civil Liberties???

Who is the ONE Republican candidate that wants to cut the "entitlements", decrease the size of government, and focus on Civil Liberties? How is he (Ron Paul) polling amongst your republican friends? Now, how are you big government republicans polling amongst your republican "conservative' friends????? So this crap about the republicans being so pristine and "saving the day" is just that .....crap.

There are plenty talking about cutting entitlements right now. What did I ever say that lead you to believe I think they are "pristine"? That came from out of nowhere. All I know is they better do it this time or I will be forced to vote Libertarian Party for good. No more BS. Cut government and entitlements, stop infringing on our constitutional rights,that is what I want. You cannot tell me the democrats are more likely to do so, they only want government and entitlement expansion. So I go with the only viable choice.

As far as the campaigns to attract black folks I'm sure you've seen them.

Who besides Ron Paul is addressing that issue and actually advocating cutting "entitlements"???

You seem to think that the republicans are the solution, yet when they were in power (President & Both Houses), they didn't cut a damn thing and in fact they actually increased the size of government and added entitlements!!!!! Read this about the housing bubble that some republicans try to blame Obama and the Democrats for: Bush drive for home ownership fueled housing bubble
The republicans you are going to vote for CERTAINLY have not "Cut government and entitlements, stop infringing on our constitutional rights"! LOL See my posts above that have pointed out the specifics.
The "other viable choice" does the same thing but in a different way, see farm subsidies, MID, PIC, etc. What party initiated the PA and EXPANDED GOVERNMENT???? It was Republicans!

 

[Pheonixops]

I don't think either party is a friend of the black man. The Dimocrats are committed to keeping the black man dependent on scraps they push off of the table and never give them a place at the table, since those scraps, while they don't lead to the best life, they keep them as obedient voters!

Republicans have given up on the group, since they aren't going to complete with entitlements and they concentrate on society as a whole and not the segments as the Dimocrats do.

I agree about neither party being a "friend", I disagree with that crap about the democrats wanting to "keep the Black man dependent on scraps they push off of the table" , that an insulting CROCK OF CRAP. This it seems to indicate that you "think" the majority of "the Blacks" have a "handout mentality" and or on handouts, I venture to say that you would be very wrong if you think that way.
As far as a "place at the table", that an ignorant statement when we have a President who has Black blood flowing through his veins and the majority of Black Congressmen and women who are Black are......................Democrats and NOT Republicans. What have the modern republicans done for "the Blacks"? Insult them with inaccurate blanket generalizations? Thanks for the laugh! What a JOKE!

As if it isn't insulting that Democrats act as if black folks need the government to hold their hands and know what's best for us. Yeesh, phoenixops... You're losing me here.

You are losing me here too, I didn't say ANY of that!!! I have noticed that you haven't discussed the facts that i have pointed out. This response of yours is an excellent example of that. Look at what I was responding to.

 

[Pheonixops]

reoublicans should stop being racist before they start with policies.

Majority of black people think republicans have a race problem.

That's actually quite true. Especially when you have a bunch of those assholes making inaccurate blanket generalizations about Black people. Look at some of the Black republican IDIOTS they have shilling for them (republicans), notice how they use the "plantation" reference; see cock sucker West, Cain, and Jesse lee peterson. Notice how they seem to say that "the Blacks" are "brainwashed" into voting democrat, or that they want handouts, or that they want to stay on the "democrat plantation", so yeah, any self respecting Black person WILL call those assholes "Uncle Toms" when they act as proxies for the bigots by saying that shit. Here's an example;"One of the things that I would do is take all black people back to the South and put them on the plantation so they would understand the ethic of working,".

 

[GuyPinestra]

Ops, I have no problem admitting that Bush had something to do with the housing bubble and it's subsequent implosion. Are you willing to admit that Clinton, the CRA, Fannie, Freddie and their Democrat overseers had at least as much, if not MORE culpability in that fiasco?

If not, why not?

 

[Pheonixops]

Ops, I have no problem admitting that Bush had something to do with the housing bubble and it's subsequent implosion. Are you willing to admit that Clinton, the CRA, Fannie, Freddie and their Democrat overseers had at least as much, if not MORE culpability in that fiasco?

If not, why not?

Of course Guy! If you can demonstrate how they did it, I will GLADLY say that. One group that we are both leaving out, are the people who actually, by their own free will, signed their names on the dotted line for those mortgages and subsequently got greedy and took out second and third mortgages and spent the money on frills (Hummer, plasma TV, etc), some of those people are the same people who are crying about being "underwater" on their mortgages! The second lot, are the people who bought their properties at the HEIGHT of the market and now complain about being "under water". For the record, I don't think that either of them deserve to have ANY help, if they thought they could affors it then, they have to deal wit the consequences of NOW.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Here's a little something to think about... and just for the record, I agree with you completely on those who bought houses they couldn't afford.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE]Barney Frank in 2005: What Housing Bubble? - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related]Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpBIhHi7KEA]Ron Paul questions John Snow at hearing on Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac - YouTube[/ame]

 

[LockeJaw]

I agree about neither party being a "friend", I disagree with that crap about the democrats wanting to "keep the Black man dependent on scraps they push off of the table" , that an insulting CROCK OF CRAP. This it seems to indicate that you "think" the majority of "the Blacks" have a "handout mentality" and or on handouts, I venture to say that you would be very wrong if you think that way.
As far as a "place at the table", that an ignorant statement when we have a President who has Black blood flowing through his veins and the majority of Black Congressmen and women who are Black are......................Democrats and NOT Republicans. What have the modern republicans done for "the Blacks"? Insult them with inaccurate blanket generalizations? Thanks for the laugh! What a JOKE!

As if it isn't insulting that Democrats act as if black folks need the government to hold their hands and know what's best for us. Yeesh, phoenixops... You're losing me here.

You are losing me here too, I didn't say ANY of that!!! I have noticed that you haven't discussed the facts that i have pointed out. This response of yours is an excellent example of that. Look at what I was responding to.

I'd like to ask you A question. At this point in time, which party is more dangerous when it comes to civil liberties? The one that wants the government to control your elder's LIVES by way of rationing healthcare to them and fining you for not having health insurance or the guy saying he believes hardcore porn should be outlawed or the guy that says he wants to get rid of planned parenthood?

You and I are very much in agreement, but you seem to be willing to let the gov control your HEALTH and Well being just so you can put a middle finger up at the republicans for what you perceive as racism on their part. Bro, get over it, don't waste your vote on the libertarians this time around. Who gives a damn about racism once the ball gets rolling with Obamacare, everyone will be SCREWED. At least the repubs know we want it repealed and if they don't stick to what gets them elected they'll be screwed for a good 30-40 years. Snap out of it man, like I said, the lesser of the two evils is the republicans right now. Gary Johnson ain't going to be prez and the LP isn't viable. Prioritize for Pete's sake.

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm just surprised after how many times I've told you I am not a party man and this isn't about how great the republicans are but how they are the only viable choice at this point in time, you keep coming back saying things like I think they're pristine and shit.

Come on brother, seriously.

 

[LockeJaw]

And please phoenixop, don't reply with "I already have health insurance"!

I do too.

A lot of people don't, my aunt and uncle are buisness owners as am I, but they've been successful enough to pay out of pocket for medical expenses. Well, lol, plus they don't like insurance companies. But that wasn't the point, they worked hard to get where they're at.

They voted for Obama in 08, not in 12 bro. They're pretty liberal actually, just not the stupid kind.

 

[Pheonixops]

As if it isn't insulting that Democrats act as if black folks need the government to hold their hands and know what's best for us. Yeesh, phoenixops... You're losing me here.

You are losing me here too, I didn't say ANY of that!!! I have noticed that you haven't discussed the facts that i have pointed out. This response of yours is an excellent example of that. Look at what I was responding to.

I'd like to ask you A question. At this point in time, which party is more dangerous when it comes to civil liberties? The one that wants the government to control your elder's LIVES by way of rationing healthcare to them and fining you for not having health insurance or the guy saying he believes hardcore porn should be outlawed or the guy that says he wants to get rid of planned parenthood?

You and I are very much in agreement, but you seem to be willing to let the gov control your HEALTH and Well being just so you can put a middle finger up at the republicans for what you perceive as racism on their part. Bro, get over it, don't waste your vote on the libertarians this time around. Who gives a damn about racism once the ball gets rolling with Obamacare, everyone will be SCREWED. At least the repubs know we want it repealed and if they don't stick to what gets them elected they'll be screwed for a good 30-40 years. Snap out of it man, like I said, the lesser of the two evils is the republicans right now. Gary Johnson ain't going to be prez and the LP isn't viable. Prioritize for Pete's sake.

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm just surprised after how many times I've told you I am not a party man and this isn't about how great the republicans are but how they are the only viable choice at this point in time, you keep coming back saying things like I think they're pristine and shit.

Come on brother, seriously.

Both the republicans and democrats are dangerous to Civil Liberties, just look at the recent acts and their origins. Sorry but that's a silly assertion;doesn't the government already decide how much they will pay for certain procedures with Medicaid and Medicare??? No, I don't want some asshole telling what I can and cannot watch or "getting rid of planned parenthood", I'm surprised that someone like yourself who claims to be a Libertarian would prefer this "moral majority' crap that in essence WILL increase the size and scope GOVERNMENT.
Where did I ever state that I was "willing to let government control my HEALTH and well Being??? I'm not in favor of mandatory health insurance. But I am also not hysterical about it because I am not eating the shit trying to be fed to me by the republican shills. There probably are ways to get out of "Obamacare", so no I am not going to panic about it and make that a reason to vote for some republican asshole (Ron Paul exempted). No thanks!
Voting Libertarian is not a "wasted vote", that's more republican hyperbole and BULLSHIT that gets the sheeple to vote for them.
How will everyone be screwed "once the ball gets rolling with Obamacare"? How? They may be the lesser of two evils to people with the mindset that you have. I would NEVER want a pig like gingrich or a putz like santorum to be POTUS, Romney runs a close third to those assholes. I'd rather place my vote with Gary Johnson or Ron Paul over any "D" or "R", I don't need to "snap out" of anything.
Look at the above post, if you are not a republican party man, you are doing a good job impersonating one!

 

[Pheonixops]

And please phoenixop, don't reply with "I already have health insurance"!

I do too.

A lot of people don't, my aunt and uncle are buisness owners as am I, but they've been successful enough to pay out of pocket for medical expenses. Well, lol, plus they don't like insurance companies. But that wasn't the point, they worked hard to get where they're at.

They voted for Obama in 08, not in 12 bro. They're pretty liberal actually, just not the stupid kind.

I'm a business owner as well, but i am on my wife's health care plan. How is "Obamacare" going to affect us? How is it going to SPECIFICALLY affect your aunt and uncle? If they are successful enough to be able to pay for out of pocket medical expenses, how will it affect them?

I gladly voted for Obama in 08, I will vote Libertarian in 12.

 

[LockeJaw]

You are losing me here too, I didn't say ANY of that!!! I have noticed that you haven't discussed the facts that i have pointed out. This response of yours is an excellent example of that. Look at what I was responding to.

I'd like to ask you A question. At this point in time, which party is more dangerous when it comes to civil liberties? The one that wants the government to control your elder's LIVES by way of rationing healthcare to them and fining you for not having health insurance or the guy saying he believes hardcore porn should be outlawed or the guy that says he wants to get rid of planned parenthood?

You and I are very much in agreement, but you seem to be willing to let the gov control your HEALTH and Well being just so you can put a middle finger up at the republicans for what you perceive as racism on their part. Bro, get over it, don't waste your vote on the libertarians this time around. Who gives a damn about racism once the ball gets rolling with Obamacare, everyone will be SCREWED. At least the repubs know we want it repealed and if they don't stick to what gets them elected they'll be screwed for a good 30-40 years. Snap out of it man, like I said, the lesser of the two evils is the republicans right now. Gary Johnson ain't going to be prez and the LP isn't viable. Prioritize for Pete's sake.

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm just surprised after how many times I've told you I am not a party man and this isn't about how great the republicans are but how they are the only viable choice at this point in time, you keep coming back saying things like I think they're pristine and shit.

Come on brother, seriously.

Both the republicans and democrats are dangerous to Civil Liberties, just look at the recent acts and their origins. Sorry but that's a silly assertion;doesn't the government already decide how much they will pay for certain procedures with Medicaid and Medicare??? No, I don't want some asshole telling what I can and cannot watch or "getting rid of planned parenthood", I'm surprised that someone like yourself who claims to be a Libertarian would prefer this "moral majority' crap that in essence WILL increase the size and scope GOVERNMENT.
Where did I ever state that I was "willing to let government control my HEALTH and well Being??? I'm not in favor of mandatory health insurance. But I am also not hysterical about it because I am not eating the shit trying to be fed to me by the republican shills. There probably are ways to get out of "Obamacare", so no I am not going to panic about it and make that a reason to vote for some republican asshole (Ron Paul exempted). No thanks!
Voting Libertarian is not a "wasted vote", that's more republican hyperbole and BULLSHIT that gets the sheeple to vote for them.
How will everyone be screwed "once the ball gets rolling with Obamacare"? How? They may be the lesser of two evils to people with the mindset that you have. I would NEVER want a pig like gingrich or a putz like santorum to be POTUS, Romney runs a close third to those assholes. I'd rather place my vote with Gary Johnson or Ron Paul over any "D" or "R", I don't need to "snap out" of anything.
Look at the above post, if you are not a republican party man, you are doing a good job impersonating one!

If the individual mandate is upheld, that means the government will be able to force you into pretty much any contract they deem necessary. That's not republican talking points, libertarians argue the same thing.

You are going to question my libertarianism? Lol! Libertarianism is about voluntary government not coercive force. The republicans didn't sign on to this shitty bill, which earns them my trust enough to vote for them on this issue alone. This bill FORCES every citizen to buy insurance whether they want to or not. That isn't a republican talking point, that's a plain fact, bro.

I can't think of anything less libertarian than that.

 

[LockeJaw]

Hazards of the Individual Health Care Mandate
^ read that phoenixops

 

[LockeJaw]

Contraceptives Mandate Brings ObamaCare’s Coercive Power into Sharper Focus | Cato @ Liberty
This too.