Hutch Starskey
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As did a turnip.Every person on the planet throughout human history started off as a couple cells. Every single one.
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As did a turnip.Every person on the planet throughout human history started off as a couple cells. Every single one.
Yes.Were you directing your comments towards me?
But it was a more moral time.Just because Arizona wants to make abortion illegal according to a law passed in 1864 does not mean that they support other laws that were in effect back then.
By the republican majority rejecting the old law, simply makes the recent abortion law they legislated that is on their books, their 15 week abortion ban, would be the law of their land.I don't see that the GOP brought this up. They'd just as soon not talk about it right now...
The law was always there- it wasn't enforced after 1973. The AZSC ruled a couple days ago that it was now back in effect. Meaning someone in AZ challenged it after the SCOTUS repealed Roe, and the ruling was just handed down.
AZ Dems are making a political play. They don't like the court ruling, and want to end-run the repubs by demanding a repeal of the law now. If the repubs refuse, they will make it a campaign issue.
Repubs are saying no, we'll take this through the debate process and do an amendment (preferably after the election I would guess).
TBH, They must have codified that 1864 law when the state came into the union in 1912 otherwise, I am not sure a territorial law would have carried over. Meh, they'll overturn it or modify it anyway.Damn. Well played.
They have a law on the books they already legislated in recent history....Then if the people are not happy, they can vote in people who modify it, or if the Republicans there are smart, they modify it to include life of the mother.
As usual, you're FOS.it was never used until Trump!!!!
I laugh at how juvenille and unthinking you areShouts of ‘Shame! Shame!’ erupt in Arizona House as fight over abortion ban engulfs lawmakers
The fight over a newly revived 1864 Arizona law criminalizing abortion throughout pregnancy unless a woman's life is at risk has engulfed the state's lawmakers.apnews.com
It is too Machiavellian for the Democrats but reviving this Civil War era law (60 or so years before women could vote) and baiting the trap for the GOP...or is it?
I still doubt the Dems framed the GOP so well but if they did...well played guys. You give us all hope
The Constitution was for a country that was founded.I laugh at how juvenille and unthinking you are
Criticizing a duly-made Arizona law on its age by invoking a Constitution MUCH OLDER !!!!!
No one voted on it.
They have a law on the books they already legislated in recent history....
They had the opportunity to use the law they have and killing the old law. Rs chose not to, several times when given the legal opportunity to do such.
No, the old law does not need to be changed etc...they have a law already, that can be used.
You have a link to all this?
Arizona Republicans block attempt to repeal abortion ban
The fight over a newly revived 1864 Arizona law criminalizing abortion throughout pregnancy unless a woman's life is at risk has engulfed the state's lawmakers.www.cbsnews.com
Arizona Republicans Thwart Attempts to Repeal 1864 Abortion Ban
Democrats in both houses of the Legislature were blocked from advancing bills to roll back the reinstated ban on nearly all abortions in the state.www.nytimes.com
Arizona Republicans Thwart Attempts to Repeal 1864 Abortion Ban
By Jack Healy and Kate Zernike
Reporting from Phoenix
April 10, 2024
A decision by Arizona’s highest court upholding an 1864 ban on nearly all abortions created chaos and confusion across the state on Wednesday. As abortion providers were flooded with phone calls from frantic patients, Republican lawmakers at the State Capitol blocked efforts to undo the ban, prompting angry jeers from Democrats.
Democrats, who seized on the decision to resurrect the 160-year-old ban as a pivotal election issue, tried to push bills through the Republican-controlled Legislature to repeal the ban, a move they said would protect women’s health and freedom, and also force Republicans to take a formal vote on the law.
But Republican leaders in the Senate removed one bill from the day’s agenda on Wednesday, legislative aides said. In the House, a Republican lawmaker who had called for striking down the law made a motion to vote on a Democratic repeal bill that has sat stalled for months. But Republican leaders quickly scuttled that effort by calling for a recess, and later adjourned until next Wednesday.
Democrats on the Senate floor yelled “Shame!” and “Save women’s lives!” as their Republican colleagues filed out of the chamber.
What's fascinating to watch is Don simultaneously claiming credit for overturning Roe and running from the fact he did.
Trump Cornered Like the Feral Beast He Is In the Abortion Crisis of His Own Making
It is bracing, remarkable and simply amazing to watch the sheer panic among Republicans, and especially Donald Trump, in reaction to the Arizona Supreme Court decision which put the state back under the near-absolute 1864 abortion ban. We talked a few days ago about Kari Lake’s desperate attempts to get out of the way of the backlash. Today Donald Trump went on Truth Social and demanded that Gov. Katie Hobbs and the Republican state legislature “remedy what has happened.” But if you look at what he says he doesn’t seem willing to call for anything more than adding rape and incest to the list of possible exceptions under the 1864 law? “We must ideally have three Exceptions for Rape, Incest, and the Life of the Mother.”
Trump Cornered Like the Feral Beast He Is In the Abortion Crisis of His Own Making
It is bracing, remarkable and simply amazing to watch the sheer panic among Republicans, and especially Donald Trump, in reaction to the Arizona Supreme Court decision which put the state back under…talkingpointsmemo.com
Yes, a repeal. The repeal makes the 15 week ban law on the books, the law of the land replacement.it's not a replacement law, it's a repeal law.
Yes, a repeal. The repeal makes the 15 week ban law on the books, the law of the land replacement.
Why it matters: Abortions are likely to become unavailable within two months if the ban isn't repealed. If it is repealed, a 2022 law allowing abortions through 15 weeks of pregnancy would go into effect — though that likely wouldn't be for a few months.
Theresa Martinez, the GOP House whip: “In my opinion, removing healthy babies from healthy mothers is not health care nor reproductive care. Pregnancy is not an illness. It should be celebrated. It is an abortion that terminates life.”Their coming for all the rights women have gained since the Civil War.
Vote them out in every state ladies, it's up to you now. Right the fuck out!