Republican drive to end social programs UNCONSTITUTIONAL

[Micky G. Jagger]

The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Now I like for the Republicans and Tea bastards to prove that social welfare programs are unconstitutional and to justify voting and lobbying eliminate them. One good example in Social Security although there are others.

That isn't what it meant.

How do you know what it meant?

Government was to be limited in their power.

Congress is limited to providing for the general welfare and the common defense.

that power is not to take from one class to give to another.

Congress has power to provide for the general welfare.

That is Socialism.

The founders were socialists before it was cool to be a socialist. That's why they gave Congress power to provide for the general welfare.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Now I like for the Republicans and Tea bastards to prove that social welfare programs are unconstitutional and to justify voting and lobbying eliminate them. One good example in Social Security although there are others.

How do you know what it meant?

Congress is limited to providing for the general welfare and the common defense.

Congress has power to provide for the general welfare.

That is Socialism.

The founders were socialists before it was cool to be a socialist. That's why they gave Congress power to provide for the general welfare.

How is forcing a program on people who do not want it insuring domestic Tranquility?

 

[Flaylo]

I would reverse my rep if I could. You don't have a "unique" way of expressing yourself, you are vulgar, sexist, and objectionable in almost every measurable way. Even a good point is destroyed by your delivery, and the causes you champion are cheapened by they way you conduct yourself.

California Girl dishes out and I give it back to her. maybe I have a foul mouth, thats one of my flaws, the Drill Sergeant in me creeps out.

No. California Girl does not insult you as a person. I do not disrespect your service, or you as a person. I insult your intellect. I call you dumb because I have evidence to support it. You, on the other hand, have insulted me on my job, my gender, you have called me a racist (yet you eventually admitted you had no evidence for that), you lie about me personally - as witnessed by your current sig. There is a vast difference between the way you and I 'dish it out'.

And stop using your uniform as a 'get out of jail free' card. It is disgusting. As was your previous sig... which stated "all things (not people, you called us 'things') conservative, republican and tea bagger should burn in hell". You only changed it when I pointed out that that would actually include a significant number of those you serve along side. You are a disgrace to the uniform.

I have no doubt you will continue your lies about me. I support your right to make a fucking idiot of yourself, I just wish you didn't drag the US Army into it.

You're acting like a drama queen because you want the last word and you just have to win even when fuck up. My current sig is true, just look at yours and tell me its not true? You've made it your fucking mission to follow me me around from thread to thread trolling me, now deal with the shit you dish out like a good little girl and shut the fuck up.

 

[California Girl]

The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Now I like for the Republicans and Tea bastards to prove that social welfare programs are unconstitutional and to justify voting and lobbying eliminate them. One good example in Social Security although there are others.

How do you know what it meant?

Congress is limited to providing for the general welfare and the common defense.

Congress has power to provide for the general welfare.

That is Socialism.

The founders were socialists before it was cool to be a socialist. That's why they gave Congress power to provide for the general welfare.

For the final time.... it says 'PROMOTE', not 'PROVIDE'. Try to keep up.

 

[California Girl]

California Girl dishes out and I give it back to her. maybe I have a foul mouth, thats one of my flaws, the Drill Sergeant in me creeps out.

No. California Girl does not insult you as a person. I do not disrespect your service, or you as a person. I insult your intellect. I call you dumb because I have evidence to support it. You, on the other hand, have insulted me on my job, my gender, you have called me a racist (yet you eventually admitted you had no evidence for that), you lie about me personally - as witnessed by your current sig. There is a vast difference between the way you and I 'dish it out'.

And stop using your uniform as a 'get out of jail free' card. It is disgusting. As was your previous sig... which stated "all things (not people, you called us 'things') conservative, republican and tea bagger should burn in hell". You only changed it when I pointed out that that would actually include a significant number of those you serve along side. You are a disgrace to the uniform.

I have no doubt you will continue your lies about me. I support your right to make a fucking idiot of yourself, I just wish you didn't drag the US Army into it.

You're acting like a drama queen because you want the last word and you just have to win even when fuck up. My current sig is true, just look at yours and tell me its not true? You've made it your fucking mission to follow me me around from thread to thread trolling me, now deal with the shit you dish out like a good little girl and shut the fuck up.

No, little man. The drama queen is you with your silly personal bullshit. Stick to things you can prove. Your current sig is a lie. I do not love you. Nor do I hate you. I have no feelings towards you whatsoever. The only evidence from either of us about 'love' or 'hate' has been from you.... Your previous sig was a hatefilled rant against conservatives, republicans and tea baggers, since I am a conservative, you hate me. That feeling is not reciprocated. I do not hate you. I do not love you. I feel nothing towards you. Therefore, yet again, you lie.

 

[Big Fitz]

The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Now I like for the Republicans and Tea bastards to prove that social welfare programs are unconstitutional and to justify voting and lobbying eliminate them. One good example in Social Security although there are others.

If that was all they needed to do anything, why write the rest?

Oh that's right BECAUSE THE PREAMBLE IS NOT the lawmaking section. It states ideals and intents.

No state would have signed on to this little preamble if it was legal and binding terminology.

Your theory is a philosophical logical and ethical uber-FAIL.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

@ Flaylo and CG:

You two really have thing for each other, what will it take for you to both end this feud? If I didn't know better I think you both like going at it.


As for the OP, I agree the government has a responsibility to promote and implement welfare but with limits.

 

[California Girl]

@ Flaylo and CG:

You two really have thing for each other, what will it take for you to both end this feud? If I didn't know better I think you both like going at it.


As for the OP, I agree the government has a responsibility to promote and implement welfare but with limits.

I have no interest in keeping anything going. If he'd knock off lying about me, I wouldn't have any reason to keep calling him out on his lies. If he would knock off the misogynistic comments, I wouldn't keep calling him out on those either. If he'd knock off bullshitting about my personal life, I wouldn't keep calling him out on that either. And, as per usual with the little man, he falls back to his SOP of 'Shut the fuck up'.... no one on this board can tell another person to shut the fuck up without losing all credibility.... the only ones entitled to shut anyone up are the Admins and the Mods.

 

[johnrocks]

By using such a loose interpretation of the term "General Welfare" , we could impose Karl Marx type communism and the ones in control could say it's in our "General Welfare".

With such a loose interpretation, we might as well ignore every other word,term,article and Amendment and just call "General Welfare" the supreme law of the land.

 

[editec]

The world belongs to the LIVING, not to the dead.

The flounder fathers wrote a document that did NOT ties our hands with specific laws.

They understood, like those of you who imagine that there is a right "literal" interpretation of the Constitution do not, that one cannot bind the FUTURE generations to the vision of the current generation.

Most of us would not be able to VOTE, if we'd stuck to the constitution that our floundering fathers originally wrote.

Now who here wants to come out in favor of only allowing a very small percentage of the population to vote?

Who here wants to come out in favor of once again allowing slavery?

THAT would be a literal interpretation of the constitution that our floundering fathers passed.

Hence the reason the writers of it gave us the amendment process. If the Constitution simply means what ever we decide it to mean today, then it has no meaning at all.

You're catching on.

Given the way that the Supreme court works to promote or refute policies and laws, that is pretty much my point.

The SCOTUS has, and will continue to, change the social/legal dynamic of this nation by handing down decisions which dramatically effect our lives and the way government and our society actaully works.

This was not, I think, how the Floundering fathers expected changes to happen, but certainly that is how it's all played out.

Now obviously the FF wanted to give the government liberty to change the game...by the legislative amendment to the constitution which required the state governments to go along with those proposed changes

That is the front door to changing the constitution, and it doesn't happen all that often.

But the back door to changing it comes through the SCOTUS.

I'm not saying that's necessarily good or bad, I'm just saying that's how it's played out.

I'll keep saying it...

This constitution that so many of us revere is a deeply flawed document prcisely because of the power that it inadvertently gave to the SCOTUS.

I'm damned sure the FF never expected that to happen.

But it has

And there's damned little that we can do about it without ALSO dramtically changing the balance of power as outlined in the current consitution -- something that apparently most of you think is some kind of sacreligion to even suggest.

 

[saveliberty]

*click*

Flaylo? That little click sound you just heard. That was an USMB claymore. Now Si Modo, Cali Girl and Save are going to go off on you.

I suspect that some of the intelligent liberals will join forces with us. When left and right combine do deal with misogynists or liars, we are a force to be reckoned with. Just imagine what we could achieve if we stopped arguing between us and focused our attention where it should be focused.... on our corrupt political system.

I have 11pm to midnights open.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

@ Flaylo and CG:

You two really have thing for each other, what will it take for you to both end this feud? If I didn't know better I think you both like going at it.


As for the OP, I agree the government has a responsibility to promote and implement welfare but with limits.

I have no interest in keeping anything going. If he'd knock off lying about me, I wouldn't have any reason to keep calling him out on his lies. If he would knock off the misogynistic comments, I wouldn't keep calling him out on those either. If he'd knock off bullshitting about my personal life, I wouldn't keep calling him out on that either. And, as per usual with the little man, he falls back to his SOP of 'Shut the fuck up'.... no one on this board can tell another person to shut the fuck up without losing all credibility.... the only ones entitled to shut anyone up are the Admins and the Mods.

I like both of you, but come on, you can't tell me that he doesn't like you and vice versa. A headstrong man and woman are perfect for each other.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

True, like the Patriot Act the Repukes sponsored? How about when you Repukes force your shitty religion on homosexuals and say they can't marry?

and the patriot act obama expanded and voted for the first time. Spin it I can spin it right back at you.

Care to try it again?
How is forcing a program on people who do not want it insure domestic Tranquility?

Flaylo
We are not going to allow you to pick a choose parts of the Constitution to help further your agenda so

How is forcing a program on people who do not want it insuring domestic Tranquility?

Flayo

 

[code1211]

The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Now I like for the Republicans and Tea bastards to prove that social welfare programs are unconstitutional and to justify voting and lobbying eliminate them. One good example in Social Security although there are others.

The phrase is "promote the general welfare" not Provide welfare. These are not unConstitutional, they are just not mandated by the Constitution.

If anything, Constitutionally, these things would be states rights issues.

Once again, intentionally didingenuous or really just incapable of reading the English language?

For additional information on this, refer to the Federalist Papers, 45.

 

[Flaylo]

@ Flaylo and CG:

You two really have thing for each other, what will it take for you to both end this feud? If I didn't know better I think you both like going at it.


As for the OP, I agree the government has a responsibility to promote and implement welfare but with limits.

I have no interest in keeping anything going. If he'd knock off lying about me, I wouldn't have any reason to keep calling him out on his lies. If he would knock off the misogynistic comments, I wouldn't keep calling him out on those either. If he'd knock off bullshitting about my personal life, I wouldn't keep calling him out on that either. And, as per usual with the little man, he falls back to his SOP of 'Shut the fuck up'.... no one on this board can tell another person to shut the fuck up without losing all credibility.... the only ones entitled to shut anyone up are the Admins and the Mods.

I like both of you, but come on, you can't tell me that he doesn't like you and vice versa. A headstrong man and woman are perfect for each other.

California Girl fucking trolls me because I called her sensitive little ass a racist.


i don't love her and she would one of the many women in my blackbook.

 

[saveliberty]

The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Now I like for the Republicans and Tea bastards to prove that social welfare programs are unconstitutional and to justify voting and lobbying eliminate them. One good example in Social Security although there are others.

That isn't what it meant.

How do you know what it meant?

Congress is limited to providing for the general welfare and the common defense.

that power is not to take from one class to give to another.

Congress has power to provide for the general welfare.

That is Socialism.

The founders were socialists before it was cool to be a socialist. That's why they gave Congress power to provide for the general welfare.

Most of them were wanted men by foreign governments. They wanted the general welfare of the people to be freedom from foreign aggression, well marked trails to travel, safety from Indians and general rule of law regarding property.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Now I like for the Republicans and Tea bastards to prove that social welfare programs are unconstitutional and to justify voting and lobbying eliminate them. One good example in Social Security although there are others.

The phrase is "promote the general welfare" not Provide welfare. These are not unConstitutional, they are just not mandated by the Constitution.

If anything, Constitutionally, these things would be states rights issues.

Once again, intentionally didingenuous or really just incapable of reading the English language?

For additional information on this, refer to the Federalist Papers, 45.

Right, correct any state can do this that wants to but the Fedeal government cannot do this.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I have no interest in keeping anything going. If he'd knock off lying about me, I wouldn't have any reason to keep calling him out on his lies. If he would knock off the misogynistic comments, I wouldn't keep calling him out on those either. If he'd knock off bullshitting about my personal life, I wouldn't keep calling him out on that either. And, as per usual with the little man, he falls back to his SOP of 'Shut the fuck up'.... no one on this board can tell another person to shut the fuck up without losing all credibility.... the only ones entitled to shut anyone up are the Admins and the Mods.

I like both of you, but come on, you can't tell me that he doesn't like you and vice versa. A headstrong man and woman are perfect for each other.

California Girl fucking trolls me because I called her sensitive little ass a racist.


i don't love her and she would one of the many women in my blackbook.

What will it take to get you to answer this question?

How is forcing a program on people who do not want it insuring domestic Tranquility?

 

[Toro]

"The General Welfare" does not mean welfare programs.

 

[saveliberty]

California Girl dishes out and I give it back to her. maybe I have a foul mouth, thats one of my flaws, the Drill Sergeant in me creeps out.

No. California Girl does not insult you as a person. I do not disrespect your service, or you as a person. I insult your intellect. I call you dumb because I have evidence to support it. You, on the other hand, have insulted me on my job, my gender, you have called me a racist (yet you eventually admitted you had no evidence for that), you lie about me personally - as witnessed by your current sig. There is a vast difference between the way you and I 'dish it out'.

And stop using your uniform as a 'get out of jail free' card. It is disgusting. As was your previous sig... which stated "all things (not people, you called us 'things') conservative, republican and tea bagger should burn in hell". You only changed it when I pointed out that that would actually include a significant number of those you serve along side. You are a disgrace to the uniform.

I have no doubt you will continue your lies about me. I support your right to make a fucking idiot of yourself, I just wish you didn't drag the US Army into it.

You're acting like a drama queen because you want the last word and you just have to win even when fuck up. My current sig is true, just look at yours and tell me its not true? You've made it your fucking mission to follow me me around from thread to thread trolling me, now deal with the shit you dish out like a good little girl and shut the fuck up.

Some stupid can be left alone and is harmless. Then there is you. You deserve to hunted down and the general public protected. An unintelligent bozo like you would see all of this as trolling. Go clean your latrine again.