Republican drive to end social programs UNCONSTITUTIONAL

[Flaylo]

The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Now I like for the Republicans and Tea bastards to prove that social welfare programs are unconstitutional and to justify voting and lobbying eliminate them. One good example in Social Security although there are others.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I'm not tranquil about having Social programs that cause annual trillion dollar deficits and are multi trillion underfunded.

 

[editec]

No, ending these programs would be constitutional... if we elected to do so

As is having them also constitutional according to our current interpretation of our laws.

The world belongs to the LIVING, not to the dead.

The flounder fathers wrote a document that did NOT ties our hands with specific laws.

They understood, like those of you who imagine that there is a right "literal" interpretation of the Constitution do not, that one cannot bind the FUTURE generations to the vision of the current generation.

Most of us would not be able to VOTE, if we'd stuck to the constitution that our floundering fathers originally wrote.

Now who here wants to come out in favor of only allowing a very small percentage of the population to vote?

Who here wants to come out in favor of once again allowing slavery?

THAT would be a literal interpretation of the constitution that our floundering fathers passed.

Now I know some of you would be in favor of those changes to our society

I also know most of you who would like thise things, don't have the balls to openly admit it.

 

[WillowTree]

The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Now I like for the Republicans and Tea bastards to prove that social welfare programs are unconstitutional and to justify voting and lobbying eliminate them. One good example in Social Security although there are others.

Asswipe. Social security is not social welfare. You must pay into it to get it. Welfare is when you get something for nothing which is probably what you are used to doing and hence your outrage that it may stop for you. Sucks to be you donut?

 

[The T]

The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Now I like for the Republicans and Tea bastards to prove that social welfare programs are unconstitutional and to justify voting and lobbying eliminate them. One good example in Social Security although there are others.

That isn't what it meant. Government was to be limited in their power. And that power is not to take from one class to give to another. That is Socialism. That isn't the system that was formed by the Founders.

You need to read more.

 

[Article 15]

The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Now I like for the Republicans and Tea bastards to prove that social welfare programs are unconstitutional and to justify voting and lobbying eliminate them. One good example in Social Security although there are others.

It's unconstitutional to repeal social programs?

News to me.

 

[Flaylo]

No, ending these programs would be constitutional... if we elected to do so

As is having them also constitutional according to our current interpretation of our laws.

The world belongs to the LIVING, not to the dead.

The flounder fathers wrote a document that did NOT ties our hands with specific laws.

They understood, like those of you who imagine that there is a right "literal" interpretation of the Constitution do not, that one cannot bind the FUTURE generations to the vision of the current generation.

Most of us would not be able to VOTE, if we'd stuck to the constitution that our floundering fathers originally wrote.

Now who here wants to come out in favor of only allowing a very small percentage of the population to vote?

Who here wants to come out in favor of once again allowing slavery?

THAT would be a literal interpretation of the constitution that our floundering fathers passed.

Now I know some of you would be in favor of those changes to our society

I also know most of you who would like thise things, don't have the balls to openly admit it.

What do you interpet 'general welfare' to be? I take it mean the welfare of all people, not just the rich.

 

[Flaylo]

The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Now I like for the Republicans and Tea bastards to prove that social welfare programs are unconstitutional and to justify voting and lobbying eliminate them. One good example in Social Security although there are others.

That isn't what it meant. Government was to be limited in their power. And that power is not to take from one class to give to another. That is Socialism. That isn't the system that was formed by the Founders.

You need to read more.

So you agree that its socialism when the Republicans support big business, tax cuts and the cutting of social programs to put more money in the pockets of the rich minority or does socialism work one way?

 

[Annie]

Everyone would benefit by reading the Federalist Papers. On this topic, #45 seems appropriate.

The Federal government has become what even strong federalists feared, superior to the states. The states have become lackeys.

It's time the people insist on more local control, much easier to get rid of the loons.

 

[Claudette]

The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Now I like for the Republicans and Tea bastards to prove that social welfare programs are unconstitutional and to justify voting and lobbying eliminate them. One good example in Social Security although there are others.

It's unconstitutional to repeal social programs?

News to me.

News to me too.

All these social programs are nothing more than socialistic charity. Taking money from the group that earns it and giving it to those that kinda sorta forgot to get a job. Kinda sorta forgot to take birth control and kinda sorta have no sense of responsibility whatsoever.

There is no charity in the Constitution. No using of the public largess for charitable reasons.

Funny how that GW clause wan't used as charity until FDR started rewriting things to suite his views.

Kinda funny how no one up until then even considered using the public largesse as charity.

Charity: Not in the Constitution

 

[Lonestar_logic]

The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Now I like for the Republicans and Tea bastards to prove that social welfare programs are unconstitutional and to justify voting and lobbying eliminate them. One good example in Social Security although there are others.

It's amazing how ignorant some of you idiots are.


http://centralillinois912project.com/?p=4049

The Federalist #41

 

[Flaylo]

Everyone would benefit by reading the Federalist Papers. On this topic, #45 seems appropriate.

The Federal government has become what even strong federalists feared, superior to the states. The states have become lackeys.

It's time the people insist on more local control, much easier to get rid of the loons.

Local control doesn't work, we mind as well go back to the days where states forbid interracial marriages and the days when local police chiefs and mayors could sic dogs and police with water hoses on peaceful people.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I thought it was welfare for Generals

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Everyone would benefit by reading the Federalist Papers. On this topic, #45 seems appropriate.

The Federal government has become what even strong federalists feared, superior to the states. The states have become lackeys.

It's time the people insist on more local control, much easier to get rid of the loons.

The 16th Amendment gutted the States, that was their Waterloo

 

[Flaylo]

The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Now I like for the Republicans and Tea bastards to prove that social welfare programs are unconstitutional and to justify voting and lobbying eliminate them. One good example in Social Security although there are others.

It's unconstitutional to repeal social programs?

News to me.

News to me too.

All these social programs are nothing more than socialistic charity. Taking money from the group that earns it and giving it to those that kinda sorta forgot to get a job. Kinda sorta forgot to take birth control and kinda sorta have no sense of responsibility whatsoever.

There is no charity in the Constitution. No using of the public largess for charitable reasons.

Funny how that GW clause wan't used as charity until FDR started rewriting things to suite his views.

Kinda funny how no one up until then even considered using the public largesse as charity.

Charity: Not in the Constitution

No charity no problem, tell the Republicans to quit lobbying for charity taxcuts for the richest of rich and big businesses and anyone thats paying their corrupted asses off, thats only fair right? The need for social programs for the poor and needy wouldn't exist if the conditions that caused them were eliminated.

 

[DiamondDave]

In the preamble... PROMOTE not provide

Welfare did not have the same meaning as libs think of it today

And in Article 1 section 8, libs also forget to include the ENTIRE sentence... 'General welfare of the UNITED STATES'... AKA the union.... the union of states... not every last individual entity or citizen within the states.... it was never meant to have the government take over the personal responsibility of citizens.... you have the freedom to succeed that goes hand in hand with the freedom to fail

Now... that being said... I fully support those who give of themselves VOLUNTARILY and of their own free will and give to charities that call to them... but we are in no way to be forced to take over the personal responsibilities of others or of private companies, farmers, etc

 

[Claudette]

It's unconstitutional to repeal social programs?

News to me.

News to me too.

All these social programs are nothing more than socialistic charity. Taking money from the group that earns it and giving it to those that kinda sorta forgot to get a job. Kinda sorta forgot to take birth control and kinda sorta have no sense of responsibility whatsoever.

There is no charity in the Constitution. No using of the public largess for charitable reasons.

Funny how that GW clause wan't used as charity until FDR started rewriting things to suite his views.

Kinda funny how no one up until then even considered using the public largesse as charity.

Charity: Not in the Constitution

No charity no problem, tell the Republicans to quit lobbying for charity taxcuts for the richest of rich and big businesses and anyone thats paying their corrupted asses off, thats only fair right? The need for social programs for the poor and needy wouldn't exist if the conditions that caused them were eliminated.

Works for me.

I'm not in favor of my tax dollar being used to bail out a company or anyones ass.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

It's unconstitutional to repeal social programs?

News to me.

News to me too.

All these social programs are nothing more than socialistic charity. Taking money from the group that earns it and giving it to those that kinda sorta forgot to get a job. Kinda sorta forgot to take birth control and kinda sorta have no sense of responsibility whatsoever.

There is no charity in the Constitution. No using of the public largess for charitable reasons.

Funny how that GW clause wan't used as charity until FDR started rewriting things to suite his views.

Kinda funny how no one up until then even considered using the public largesse as charity.

Charity: Not in the Constitution

No charity no problem, tell the Republicans to quit lobbying for charity taxcuts for the richest of rich and big businesses and anyone thats paying their corrupted asses off, thats only fair right? The need for social programs for the poor and needy wouldn't exist if the conditions that caused them were eliminated.

Tax cuts equal charity? How?

What conditions caused the need for social programs?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Now I like for the Republicans and Tea bastards to prove that social welfare programs are unconstitutional and to justify voting and lobbying eliminate them. One good example in Social Security although there are others.

I'd like for people like you to actually learn about history and the meaning behind clauses in the Constitution like the general welfare and the commerce clause, etc. The writers of the Constitution explained in several other writings exactly what the purpose of these clauses were, so instead of running your mouth like an ignorant schmuck, try educating yourself.

And regarding Social Security, it WAS struck down as unconstitutional the first time Then FDR attempted to expand the size of the SCOTUS and stack it with his own judges (just like Hugo Chavez recently did in Venezuela) so he could push all of his failed socialist ideas through. The resulting intimidation pushed one of the justices to change their opinion on SS and allow it through. That laid the groundwork for our country's pending bankruptcy today.

 

[teapartysamurai]

If it would be unconstitutional to end these social programs, because of the Constitutional call to "promote the general welfare," then explain why these programs didn't exist until more than 100 years AFTER the inception of the Constitution??????

That's like saying prayer is unconstitutional in schools, despite the fact prayer existed in schools, for more than 100 years until 1960.

Only liberals would think that something that never existed in Constitutional thought or decision, SUDDENLY EXISTS because of liberal edict and cannot be overturned by another's edicts.

Liberals don't think they are legislators, they think they are gods.