Republican drive to end social programs UNCONSTITUTIONAL

[code1211]

The world belongs to the LIVING, not to the dead.

The flounder fathers wrote a document that did NOT ties our hands with specific laws.

They understood, like those of you who imagine that there is a right "literal" interpretation of the Constitution do not, that one cannot bind the FUTURE generations to the vision of the current generation.

Most of us would not be able to VOTE, if we'd stuck to the constitution that our floundering fathers originally wrote.

Now who here wants to come out in favor of only allowing a very small percentage of the population to vote?

Who here wants to come out in favor of once again allowing slavery?

THAT would be a literal interpretation of the constitution that our floundering fathers passed.

Hence the reason the writers of it gave us the amendment process. If the Constitution simply means what ever we decide it to mean today, then it has no meaning at all.

You're catching on.

Given the way that the Supreme court works to promote or refute policies and laws, that is pretty much my point.

The SCOTUS has, and will continue to, change the social/legal dynamic of this nation by handing down decisions which dramatically effect our lives and the way government and our society actaully works.

This was not, I think, how the Floundering fathers expected changes to happen, but certainly that is how it's all played out.

Now obviously the FF wanted to give the government liberty to change the game...by the legislative amendment to the constitution which required the state governments to go along with those proposed changes

That is the front door to changing the constitution, and it doesn't happen all that often.

But the back door to changing it comes through the SCOTUS.

I'm not saying that's necessarily good or bad, I'm just saying that's how it's played out.

I'll keep saying it...

This constitution that so many of us revere is a deeply flawed document prcisely because of the power that it inadvertently gave to the SCOTUS.

I'm damned sure the FF never expected that to happen.

But it has

And there's damned little that we can do about it without ALSO dramtically changing the balance of power as outlined in the current consitution -- something that apparently most of you think is some kind of sacreligion to even suggest.

Regarding the power given to the SCOTUS, that power was defined into the Constitution by the ruling in Marbury v Madison, I think. Prior to that, the scope of the powers was limited pretty much to what is explicitely written.

This case required that the Constritutional language be interpreted. The meaning of the words dividing the powers was the crux of the issue. As soon as the decision was rendered, it became case law and therefore the law of the land.

It's not all bad, though. Can you imagine the shape of the government if either of the other Branches had assumed that power? If any of them had to have it, I would prefer that it be the courts. They have at times shown themselves to be biased or misguided, but the Executive and Congress are routinely corrupt beyond the definition of the word.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

No. California Girl does not insult you as a person. I do not disrespect your service, or you as a person. I insult your intellect. I call you dumb because I have evidence to support it. You, on the other hand, have insulted me on my job, my gender, you have called me a racist (yet you eventually admitted you had no evidence for that), you lie about me personally - as witnessed by your current sig. There is a vast difference between the way you and I 'dish it out'.

And stop using your uniform as a 'get out of jail free' card. It is disgusting. As was your previous sig... which stated "all things (not people, you called us 'things') conservative, republican and tea bagger should burn in hell". You only changed it when I pointed out that that would actually include a significant number of those you serve along side. You are a disgrace to the uniform.

I have no doubt you will continue your lies about me. I support your right to make a fucking idiot of yourself, I just wish you didn't drag the US Army into it.

You're acting like a drama queen because you want the last word and you just have to win even when fuck up. My current sig is true, just look at yours and tell me its not true? You've made it your fucking mission to follow me me around from thread to thread trolling me, now deal with the shit you dish out like a good little girl and shut the fuck up.

Some stupid can be left alone and is harmless. Then there is you. You deserve to hunted down and the general public protected. An unintelligent bozo like you would see all of this as trolling. Go clean your latrine again.

Flaylo and CG's trolling was a two way street, you just made it three. Can anyone argue on this forum without resorting to insults and name calling?

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

What do you interpet 'general welfare' to be? I take it mean the welfare of all people, not just the rich.

Whereas:

Words are generally to be understood in their usual and most known signification; not so much regarding the propriety of grammar, as their general and popular use.

--Blackstone​

GENERAL, (jen'-er-al) a. Comprehending many species or individuals ; not special ; not particular.

--A Dictionary of the English Language: 1785
​

WELFARE, (wel'-fare) n.i. Happiness; success; prosperity.

--A Dictionary of the English Language: 1785​

It appears that:

General welfare = The happiness of many individuals.​

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Flaylo is nothing but a wanna-be soldier coward.


Hey flaylo you little punk, why not respond to those that replied to your OP?

 

[Moon]

"promote the general Welfare".... As has already been pointed out for the terminally stupid... "Promote" not "Provide".

Might I, respectfully, suggest that those who do not understand the difference between those two words, get a fucking dictionary and learn it.

So when Republicans lobby to cut off funding for social welfare to help the poor, are they promoting the general welfare of the people? No, their actions contradict the Constitution.

Then why wasn't social welfare the law of the land when the Constitution was first ratified?

 

[Flaylo]

No. California Girl does not insult you as a person. I do not disrespect your service, or you as a person. I insult your intellect. I call you dumb because I have evidence to support it. You, on the other hand, have insulted me on my job, my gender, you have called me a racist (yet you eventually admitted you had no evidence for that), you lie about me personally - as witnessed by your current sig. There is a vast difference between the way you and I 'dish it out'.

And stop using your uniform as a 'get out of jail free' card. It is disgusting. As was your previous sig... which stated "all things (not people, you called us 'things') conservative, republican and tea bagger should burn in hell". You only changed it when I pointed out that that would actually include a significant number of those you serve along side. You are a disgrace to the uniform.

I have no doubt you will continue your lies about me. I support your right to make a fucking idiot of yourself, I just wish you didn't drag the US Army into it.

You're acting like a drama queen because you want the last word and you just have to win even when fuck up. My current sig is true, just look at yours and tell me its not true? You've made it your fucking mission to follow me me around from thread to thread trolling me, now deal with the shit you dish out like a good little girl and shut the fuck up.

Some stupid can be left alone and is harmless. Then there is you. You deserve to hunted down and the general public protected. An unintelligent bozo like you would see all of this as trolling. Go clean your latrine again.

My time is up, I'm going to party like a rock star this weekend with two of my many women, now you and California Girl have a good weekend and don't get jealous of me. Kiss!

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You're acting like a drama queen because you want the last word and you just have to win even when fuck up. My current sig is true, just look at yours and tell me its not true? You've made it your fucking mission to follow me me around from thread to thread trolling me, now deal with the shit you dish out like a good little girl and shut the fuck up.

Some stupid can be left alone and is harmless. Then there is you. You deserve to hunted down and the general public protected. An unintelligent bozo like you would see all of this as trolling. Go clean your latrine again.

Flaylo and CG's trolling was a two way street, you just made it three. Can anyone argue on this forum without resorting to insults and name calling?

What? This coming from an asswipe that called everyone a monkey and engages in name-calling more than any other on this forum.


What a doofus!

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You're acting like a drama queen because you want the last word and you just have to win even when fuck up. My current sig is true, just look at yours and tell me its not true? You've made it your fucking mission to follow me me around from thread to thread trolling me, now deal with the shit you dish out like a good little girl and shut the fuck up.

Some stupid can be left alone and is harmless. Then there is you. You deserve to hunted down and the general public protected. An unintelligent bozo like you would see all of this as trolling. Go clean your latrine again.

My time is up, I'm going to party like a rock star this weekend with two of my many women, now you and California Girl have a good weekend and don't get jealous of me. Kiss!

Yea run away you little coward. And please keep your dreams to yourself.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Flaylo is nothing but a wanna-be soldier coward.


Hey flaylo you little punk, why not respond to those that replied to your OP?

Yes like this one

What will it take to get you to answer this question?

How is forcing a program on people who do not want it insuring domestic Tranquility?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You're acting like a drama queen because you want the last word and you just have to win even when fuck up. My current sig is true, just look at yours and tell me its not true? You've made it your fucking mission to follow me me around from thread to thread trolling me, now deal with the shit you dish out like a good little girl and shut the fuck up.

Some stupid can be left alone and is harmless. Then there is you. You deserve to hunted down and the general public protected. An unintelligent bozo like you would see all of this as trolling. Go clean your latrine again.

My time is up, I'm going to party like a rock star this weekend with two of my many women, now you and California Girl have a good weekend and don't get jealous of me. Kiss!

What will it take to get you to answer this question?

How is forcing a program on people who do not want it insuring domestic Tranquility?

 

[JWBooth]

The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Now I like for the Republicans and Tea bastards to prove that social welfare programs are unconstitutional and to justify voting and lobbying eliminate them. One good example in Social Security although there are others.

Failo steps out from the tray line in the mess hall and strikes out....again

See Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11, 22 (1905) ("Although th[e] preamble indicates the general purposes for which the people ordained and established the Constitution, it has never been regarded as the source of any substantive power conferred on the government of the United States, or on any of its departments."); see also United States v. Boyer, 85 F. 425, 430–31 (W.D. Mo. 1898) ("The preamble never can be resorted to, to enlarge the powers confided to the general government, or any of its departments. It cannot confer any power per se. It can never amount, by implication, to an enlargement of any power expressly given. It can never be the legitimate source of any implied power, when otherwise withdrawn from the constitution. Its true office is to expound the nature and extent and application of the powers actually conferred by the constitution, and not substantively to create them."

The preamble is a general statement of principles, it hasn't any legal standing. It's the stuff beginning with "Article 1" that encompass the working parts of the Constitution.

 

[Flaylo]

Flaylo is nothing but a wanna-be soldier coward.


Hey flaylo you little punk, why not respond to those that replied to your OP?

My time is up asshat, I'm a proud soldier and hard work deserves hard play, I have two good looking hot blondes waiting on me. man it feels good to be single in Germany.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Flaylo is nothing but a wanna-be soldier coward.


Hey flaylo you little punk, why not respond to those that replied to your OP?

Yes like this one

What will it take to get you to answer this question?

How is forcing a program on people who do not want it insuring domestic Tranquility?

That little fucker would rather exchange insults with CG than engage in a serious discussion. That's one reason I know that he's not nor has he ever been a US soldier.

 

[Moon]

I'm saying that if the tax cuts are targeted for job creation (or whatever the target), their receipt should be contingent on meeting that (or those) targets.
Do you think companies that receive targeted incentives should skip off without meeting the requirements of receivership?

If someone was caught running a bed and breakfast from their section 8 housing, you would have issue with that, yes?

Why should corporations get anything from the US government while expatriating production and jobs to some other country? Why should a trans or multinational corporation be entitled to chapter eleven protection from a community they have no stake but an office and an answering machine in, no concern or loyalty towards, and to whom they contribute nothing to? These incentives and protections traditionally had at least an expectation of reciprocity attached to them. It is high time and then some those expectations were codified into strict policy.

So you're ok with the government telling you how to spend your money. Interesting, but not suprising being that it comes from a liberal minded person.

Your strawman is lame.

A tax cut is a reduction in taxes. The government is not giving you anything.

So you're ok with big businesses pocketing the tax cut money while you proportionally pay more taxes for your hard work? Fucking idiot, wipe your ass.

Couple of points here. Firstly, if the companies earn the money, I support them being able to keep as much of it as possible. More profits means expansion, which means more jobs and revenue, which leads to more taxes paid on income.

Secondly, taxes that corporations pay are merely flowthrough payments that they collect from their customers. Cut taxes to corporations, and most of them will either lower their prices (benefiting the consumer) or will expand their business, which benefits everyone.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Flaylo is nothing but a wanna-be soldier coward.


Hey flaylo you little punk, why not respond to those that replied to your OP?

My time is up asshat, I'm a proud soldier and hard work deserves hard play, I have two good looking hot blondes waiting on me. man it feels good to be single in Germany.

What mommy making you get off the computer?

You're no soldier.

 

[California Girl]

@ Flaylo and CG:

You two really have thing for each other, what will it take for you to both end this feud? If I didn't know better I think you both like going at it.


As for the OP, I agree the government has a responsibility to promote and implement welfare but with limits.

I have no interest in keeping anything going. If he'd knock off lying about me, I wouldn't have any reason to keep calling him out on his lies. If he would knock off the misogynistic comments, I wouldn't keep calling him out on those either. If he'd knock off bullshitting about my personal life, I wouldn't keep calling him out on that either. And, as per usual with the little man, he falls back to his SOP of 'Shut the fuck up'.... no one on this board can tell another person to shut the fuck up without losing all credibility.... the only ones entitled to shut anyone up are the Admins and the Mods.

I like both of you, but come on, you can't tell me that he doesn't like you and vice versa. A headstrong man and woman are perfect for each other.

Yea, he likes me so much that he wants me to burn in hell. Sorry, Charlie, I adore you - you know it... but anyone who says they want another human being to burn in hell because of their political believes is a barbarian.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Some stupid can be left alone and is harmless. Then there is you. You deserve to hunted down and the general public protected. An unintelligent bozo like you would see all of this as trolling. Go clean your latrine again.

Flaylo and CG's trolling was a two way street, you just made it three. Can anyone argue on this forum without resorting to insults and name calling?

What? This coming from an asswipe that called everyone a monkey and engages in name-calling more than any other on this forum.


What a doofus!

Now you want to pick a fight with me? Lonestar, you've lost your value, I have nothing further to say.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Flaylo is nothing but a wanna-be soldier coward.


Hey flaylo you little punk, why not respond to those that replied to your OP?

Yes like this one

What will it take to get you to answer this question?

How is forcing a program on people who do not want it insuring domestic Tranquility?

That little fucker would rather exchange insults with CG than engage in a serious discussion. That's one reason I know that he's not nor has he ever been a US soldier.

I agree. I hate people who cherry pick the constitution to fit their agenda, but when asked about the parts they stiffed through run like to pussy they are.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Flaylo and CG's trolling was a two way street, you just made it three. Can anyone argue on this forum without resorting to insults and name calling?

What? This coming from an asswipe that called everyone a monkey and engages in name-calling more than any other on this forum.


What a doofus!

Now you want to pick a fight with me? Lonestar, you've lost your value, I have nothing further to say.

No I don't pick fights with the mentally challenged. I was just showing how hypocritical you were.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

I have no interest in keeping anything going. If he'd knock off lying about me, I wouldn't have any reason to keep calling him out on his lies. If he would knock off the misogynistic comments, I wouldn't keep calling him out on those either. If he'd knock off bullshitting about my personal life, I wouldn't keep calling him out on that either. And, as per usual with the little man, he falls back to his SOP of 'Shut the fuck up'.... no one on this board can tell another person to shut the fuck up without losing all credibility.... the only ones entitled to shut anyone up are the Admins and the Mods.

I like both of you, but come on, you can't tell me that he doesn't like you and vice versa. A headstrong man and woman are perfect for each other.

Yea, he likes me so much that he wants me to burn in hell. Sorry, Charlie, I adore you - you know it... but anyone who says they want another human being to burn in hell because of their political believes is a barbarian.

Some people pick at each other because they like each other, you ought to know that yourself and you like picking with him just as much as he likes picking with you, why else would you keep calling him little man?