Republican Budget cuts will cost 1 million Americans their jobs

[Bfgrn]

"The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived and dishonest – but the myth – persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
President John F. Kennedy – Commencement Address at Yale University, Old Campus, New Haven, Connecticut, June 11, 1962

Wisdom? Really? Are you a literal idiot? Let me ask you this Einstein, what government policies did Karl Marx implement? None you say? Then how can there be Marxism?

Because Marxism is a economic, social, and political system developed by Marx. Even if no one had ever tried to implement it it would still exist. Are you really that stupid, or do you just think that because you are incapable of reasoning other people are not.

So, the current radical right wing ideology of cutting taxes to increase revenues, mass privatization, dismantling of the government safety net, and the mantra that the only thing wrong with government is that it gets in the way of the private sector would be attributed to whom? Jimmy Carter?

I don't care who you attribute it too. The Reagan revolution never happened because Reagan, and his successor Bush, both grew government and interfered in the free market. If I wanted to try to pin the blame on one person I would put it on Clinton, he is the one that said the era of Big Government is over.



And how, exactly, did Reagan do any of that? He campaigned on one thing, and did the opposite, just like every politician in history before him. What you are describing as revolution sounds a lot more like what the right wing tried, and failed, to accomplish through him.



You are aware of that, yet you think he cut taxes. That, in my opinion, makes you ignorant.

Ronald Reagan created an ideology of a federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy. The government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. By the end of the 12 years of the Reagan-Bush administrations, the national debt had quadrupled to $4 trillion dollars.

No one had ever done "borrow and spend" before Reagan? How did we manage to accumulate a debt without borrowing?

So, aptly named one, can we have a critical discussion of our current economic disaster? Should we start with Carternomics or Obamanomics???

We should start with a simple fact. The only way to run a deficit is to spend more money that you have. You cannot blame that on either party, or any single person, no matter how much you want to. The fact that you are trying do defend your position that Reagan led some sort of revolution that single handily created the problem is proof that you do not grasp simple facts.

You really ARE a 'literal' idiot. You really don't 'get it'. The mantra and propaganda that has taken over and totally consumed what used to be called 'conservative' can be directly attributed to Reagan. He is the patron saint of 'government is THE one and only problem'. It is absurd thinking, when you consider that our government was THE seminal achievement of our founding fathers.

The days of the Everett Dirksen Republican are over.

Victor Gold, former speechwriter for George Herbert Walker Bush is a Goldwater conservative in his book explains how the GOP was hijacked away from conservatives by far right theocrats and far left neocons...starting in 1980...Does THAT date ring a bell?

Book Review:

Invasion of the Party Snatchers

By Victor Gold

After four decades as a Republican insider, Victor Gold reveals how the holy-rollers and the Neo-Cons have destroyed the GOP. Now he's fighting to get his party back.

As a man who served as press aide to Barry Goldwater and speechwriter and senior advisor to George H. W. Bush (in addition to co-authoring his autobiography), Victor Gold is absolutely furious that the Neo-Cons and their strange bedfellows, the Evangelical Right, have stolen his party from him. Now he is bringing the fight to them.

Invasion of the Party Snatchers is a blistering critique not only of the Bush-Cheney administration but also of the Republican Congress. Gold is ready to tell all about the war being waged for the soul of the GOP, including the elder Bush's opinion of his sons work domestically and abroad, the significance of the newly elected Congress, and how Goldwater would have reacted to it all. Gold reveals, among other explosive disclosures, how George W. has been manipulated by his vice president and secretary of defense to become, in Lenin's famous phrase, a "useful idiot" for Neo-Conservative warmongers and Theo-Conservative religious fanatics.

Although there have been other books by dissident Republicans attacking the Bush-Cheney administrations betrayal of conservative principles, none have been by an insider whose political credentials include inner-circle status with Barry Goldwater and George H. W. Bush.

Review:
"Make no mistake: author Gold, a former speechwriter for George H.W. Bush and aide to Barry Goldwater, is one disgusted Republican. The GOP of the 2006 midterm election, he writes, is 'a party of pork-barrel ear-markers like Dennis Hastert, of political hatchet men like Karl Rove, and of Bible-thumping hypocrites like Tom Delay.' Gold looks to Goldwater, 'a straight-talking, freethinking maverick,' as the yardstick by which to measure just how far the party of Lincoln has fallen.

He traces the beginning of the end to the 1980 Republican National Convention and the presence of 'a militant new element...personified by Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.' The other half of the equation, the neoconservatives, are embodied by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, 'two cuts from the same Machiavellian cloth.' In efficient prose, Gold scrutinizes a significant swath of recent GOP history, in particular Newt Gingrich's 104th Congress and the Bush II White House, without losing momentum.

He also has choice words for 'the Coulterization of Republican rhetoric,' the revolving door between Capitol Hill and K Street, and 'sideshow' legislation like the Flag Protection Amendment. Gold sees a promising future for the Republican Party, but not until they lose some major elections and are able to keep down a slice of humble pie; for those disillusioned with the state of the GOP, this quick, uncompromising polemic provides substantial support, along with a large dose of cold comfort." Publishers Weekly (Starred Review) (Copyright Reed Business Information, Inc.)

Synopsis:
The last real Goldwater conservative in America attacks the current state of his movement and his party.

Powell's Books - Invasion of the Party Snatchers: How the Holy-Rollers and Neo-Cons Destroyed the GOP by Victor Gold

 

[Stephanie]

lol, speaking of the Invasion of the Party snatchers.

That would be the Democrat party, they have been invaded by progressives-Commies-Socialist.

But I guess you liberals crave to become slaves to a Political party and the Federal Guberment.

 

[boedicca]

All you want to do is count people accurately? I think that is why yoy have 10% unemployed, because someone decided to count accurately.

Like charity, those people produce no economic benefit by taking jobs from the unemployed. Count them.

wrong, if they were counting accurately, that number would likely be over 16%

And how many of that 16% are:
1. Not actively looking for work.
2. Semi retired and do not need to work.
3. Do not want to work if they were offered a job
4. Stringing out unemployment benefits, disability?

How is it my 21 year old son WORKS 2 JOBS??
The real unemployment is around 8% max. Nothing that Obama has done right but the unemployment figures are not the real %s.

You are absolutely wrong.

Read the stats for yourself.

Table A-15. Alternative measures of labor underutilization

 

[Bern80]

Well, until you beloved corporations (with their record profits) start hiring en masse, government work might be the only way for people to earn a decent living.

When it comes to putting food on the table and a roof over their heads, people aren't going to give a shit where the paycheck comes from as long as it comes.

Just a reality check.

Here's a reality check for you. It is not the obligation of anyone else but YOU to provide yourself a job, income and standard of living.

There is no shortage of jobs for those hopefully soon to be out of work government employees. There is a shortage in the skill sets required to do them. It is YOUR job to figure out what YOU need to do to be of tangible value to someone.

If there was no shortage of jobs, then we wouldn't be looking a 10% unemployment for the foreseeable future and perhaps the new norm.

Do you have a reading problem? Unemployment doesn't mean there aren't any jobs. If that were true it would everyone has the skill set to do anything, which is ridiculous. The shortage isn't in jobs. They are out there. The shortage is in people qualified to do them. I have a profile on career builder and monster. I get updates DAILY for literally dozens of jobs. My ability to get a job is not dependant on the availability of jobs. It is dependent on whether I have the skills to DO the job.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

lol, speaking of the Invasion of the Party snatchers.

That would be the Democrat party, they have been invaded by progressives-Commies-Socialist.

But I guess you liberals crave to become slaves to a Political party and the Federal Guberment.

More like the Invasion of the Brain Snatchers.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

All you want to do is count people accurately? I think that is why yoy have 10% unemployed, because someone decided to count accurately.

Like charity, those people produce no economic benefit by taking jobs from the unemployed. Count them.

You sell your boy Obama short. He said if we elected him Unemployment would top ff at 8%. There are a lot more then 10% of the country not producing economic benefit and I'm pointing out his massive growth in government is a big part of what we're not counting.

Dude, I said we are NOT counting unemployed accurately and we should. How can even a liberal get out of that we are counting them accurately. Congratulations on Obama, it's not easy to be a worse, more economically destructive president then W, and yet he breezed by that high hurdle.

Yes, imagine how bad Obama is, and how much worse it could have been, so thanks, America made the right choice of what we had to chose between. My my, you sure give give Bush high marks, which is another thread.

And yes, I am on the same page I think. You should either be counted employed, or counted unemployed among the 300 million people, because non-producers are bad for the economy and the GDP. Unemployed are simply people who are not working, and I don't care if they are disabled, mentally ill, or what, they should be counted.

I think it would be hard for you to make the case that government workers are not productive. If they evaporated, the private sector would collapse and where would your economic benefit be then.

Yet Belgium keeps right on going, and the private sector still manages to get things done, and they have not had a government for 8 months. I think you might be a little confused about who depends on whom.

 

[Gadawg73]

wrong, if they were counting accurately, that number would likely be over 16%

And how many of that 16% are:
1. Not actively looking for work.
2. Semi retired and do not need to work.
3. Do not want to work if they were offered a job
4. Stringing out unemployment benefits, disability?

How is it my 21 year old son WORKS 2 JOBS??
The real unemployment is around 8% max. Nothing that Obama has done right but the unemployment figures are not the real %s.

You are absolutely wrong.

Read the stats for yourself.

Table A-15. Alternative measures of labor underutilization

Are you serious? You believe government stats on employment?

 

[Gadawg73]

Here's a reality check for you. It is not the obligation of anyone else but YOU to provide yourself a job, income and standard of living.

There is no shortage of jobs for those hopefully soon to be out of work government employees. There is a shortage in the skill sets required to do them. It is YOUR job to figure out what YOU need to do to be of tangible value to someone.

If there was no shortage of jobs, then we wouldn't be looking a 10% unemployment for the foreseeable future and perhaps the new norm.

Do you have a reading problem? Unemployment doesn't mean there aren't any jobs. If that were true it would everyone has the skill set to do anything, which is ridiculous. The shortage isn't in jobs. They are out there. The shortage is in people qualified to do them. I have a profile on career builder and monster. I get updates DAILY for literally dozens of jobs. My ability to get a job is not dependant on the availability of jobs. It is dependent on whether I have the skills to DO the job.

Exactly the way each one of my 3 corporations was started.
Americans are STUCK IN THE 60s.
Fat, lazy, educated beyond their intelligence and unqualified for tech jobs.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

"The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived and dishonest – but the myth – persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
President John F. Kennedy – Commencement Address at Yale University, Old Campus, New Haven, Connecticut, June 11, 1962

Wisdom? Really? Are you a literal idiot? Let me ask you this Einstein, what government policies did Karl Marx implement? None you say? Then how can there be Marxism?

Because Marxism is a economic, social, and political system developed by Marx. Even if no one had ever tried to implement it it would still exist. Are you really that stupid, or do you just think that because you are incapable of reasoning other people are not.



I don't care who you attribute it too. The Reagan revolution never happened because Reagan, and his successor Bush, both grew government and interfered in the free market. If I wanted to try to pin the blame on one person I would put it on Clinton, he is the one that said the era of Big Government is over.



And how, exactly, did Reagan do any of that? He campaigned on one thing, and did the opposite, just like every politician in history before him. What you are describing as revolution sounds a lot more like what the right wing tried, and failed, to accomplish through him.



You are aware of that, yet you think he cut taxes. That, in my opinion, makes you ignorant.



No one had ever done "borrow and spend" before Reagan? How did we manage to accumulate a debt without borrowing?

So, aptly named one, can we have a critical discussion of our current economic disaster? Should we start with Carternomics or Obamanomics???

We should start with a simple fact. The only way to run a deficit is to spend more money that you have. You cannot blame that on either party, or any single person, no matter how much you want to. The fact that you are trying do defend your position that Reagan led some sort of revolution that single handily created the problem is proof that you do not grasp simple facts.

You really ARE a 'literal' idiot. You really don't 'get it'. The mantra and propaganda that has taken over and totally consumed what used to be called 'conservative' can be directly attributed to Reagan. He is the patron saint of 'government is THE one and only problem'. It is absurd thinking, when you consider that our government was THE seminal achievement of our founding fathers.

The days of the Everett Dirksen Republican are over.

Victor Gold, former speechwriter for George Herbert Walker Bush is a Goldwater conservative in his book explains how the GOP was hijacked away from conservatives by far right theocrats and far left neocons...starting in 1980...Does THAT date ring a bell?

Book Review:

Invasion of the Party Snatchers

By Victor Gold

After four decades as a Republican insider, Victor Gold reveals how the holy-rollers and the Neo-Cons have destroyed the GOP. Now he's fighting to get his party back.

As a man who served as press aide to Barry Goldwater and speechwriter and senior advisor to George H. W. Bush (in addition to co-authoring his autobiography), Victor Gold is absolutely furious that the Neo-Cons and their strange bedfellows, the Evangelical Right, have stolen his party from him. Now he is bringing the fight to them.

Invasion of the Party Snatchers is a blistering critique not only of the Bush-Cheney administration but also of the Republican Congress. Gold is ready to tell all about the war being waged for the soul of the GOP, including the elder Bush's opinion of his sons work domestically and abroad, the significance of the newly elected Congress, and how Goldwater would have reacted to it all. Gold reveals, among other explosive disclosures, how George W. has been manipulated by his vice president and secretary of defense to become, in Lenin's famous phrase, a "useful idiot" for Neo-Conservative warmongers and Theo-Conservative religious fanatics.

Although there have been other books by dissident Republicans attacking the Bush-Cheney administrations betrayal of conservative principles, none have been by an insider whose political credentials include inner-circle status with Barry Goldwater and George H. W. Bush.

Review:
"Make no mistake: author Gold, a former speechwriter for George H.W. Bush and aide to Barry Goldwater, is one disgusted Republican. The GOP of the 2006 midterm election, he writes, is 'a party of pork-barrel ear-markers like Dennis Hastert, of political hatchet men like Karl Rove, and of Bible-thumping hypocrites like Tom Delay.' Gold looks to Goldwater, 'a straight-talking, freethinking maverick,' as the yardstick by which to measure just how far the party of Lincoln has fallen.

He traces the beginning of the end to the 1980 Republican National Convention and the presence of 'a militant new element...personified by Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.' The other half of the equation, the neoconservatives, are embodied by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, 'two cuts from the same Machiavellian cloth.' In efficient prose, Gold scrutinizes a significant swath of recent GOP history, in particular Newt Gingrich's 104th Congress and the Bush II White House, without losing momentum.

He also has choice words for 'the Coulterization of Republican rhetoric,' the revolving door between Capitol Hill and K Street, and 'sideshow' legislation like the Flag Protection Amendment. Gold sees a promising future for the Republican Party, but not until they lose some major elections and are able to keep down a slice of humble pie; for those disillusioned with the state of the GOP, this quick, uncompromising polemic provides substantial support, along with a large dose of cold comfort." Publishers Weekly (Starred Review) (Copyright Reed Business Information, Inc.)

Synopsis:
The last real Goldwater conservative in America attacks the current state of his movement and his party.

Powell's Books - Invasion of the Party Snatchers: How the Holy-Rollers and Neo-Cons Destroyed the GOP by Victor Gold

I get it, you are the one who is confused. You are giving Reagan credit for something he had nothing to do with, and blaming him because you think it didn't work, this despite the fact that it never happened. And you think I am crazy.

The "Reagan revolution" did not lead to unbridled capitalism. There is not a lack of regulations in government that led to the financial meltdown. The primary cause of the housing bubble was the government regulations that were designed to put every American in a home of their own, not the Wall Street financial wizards that profited off said government stupidity. You have never, in your entire life, witnessed anything that remotely resembles unbridled capitalism, and you will not live long enough to ever see it because there will always be idiots who, like you, refuse to acknowledge that government is not the solution to every problem in the world.

 

[Bern80]

If there was no shortage of jobs, then we wouldn't be looking a 10% unemployment for the foreseeable future and perhaps the new norm.

Do you have a reading problem? Unemployment doesn't mean there aren't any jobs. If that were true it would everyone has the skill set to do anything, which is ridiculous. The shortage isn't in jobs. They are out there. The shortage is in people qualified to do them. I have a profile on career builder and monster. I get updates DAILY for literally dozens of jobs. My ability to get a job is not dependant on the availability of jobs. It is dependent on whether I have the skills to DO the job.

Exactly the way each one of my 3 corporations was started.
Americans are STUCK IN THE 60s.
Fat, lazy, educated beyond their intelligence and unqualified for tech jobs.

I agree. No one seems to think they should have to work at life. We all know business has to adapt to changes in the market to survive. Why is it that people don't feel their skills need to be adapted at the same time?

You hear all this "back in the day in the mill I could send all my kids to college on my salary". Wake the fuck up. It doesn't anymore. Deal with it.

 

[Bfgrn]

Because Marxism is a economic, social, and political system developed by Marx. Even if no one had ever tried to implement it it would still exist. Are you really that stupid, or do you just think that because you are incapable of reasoning other people are not.



I don't care who you attribute it too. The Reagan revolution never happened because Reagan, and his successor Bush, both grew government and interfered in the free market. If I wanted to try to pin the blame on one person I would put it on Clinton, he is the one that said the era of Big Government is over.



And how, exactly, did Reagan do any of that? He campaigned on one thing, and did the opposite, just like every politician in history before him. What you are describing as revolution sounds a lot more like what the right wing tried, and failed, to accomplish through him.



You are aware of that, yet you think he cut taxes. That, in my opinion, makes you ignorant.



No one had ever done "borrow and spend" before Reagan? How did we manage to accumulate a debt without borrowing?



We should start with a simple fact. The only way to run a deficit is to spend more money that you have. You cannot blame that on either party, or any single person, no matter how much you want to. The fact that you are trying do defend your position that Reagan led some sort of revolution that single handily created the problem is proof that you do not grasp simple facts.

You really ARE a 'literal' idiot. You really don't 'get it'. The mantra and propaganda that has taken over and totally consumed what used to be called 'conservative' can be directly attributed to Reagan. He is the patron saint of 'government is THE one and only problem'. It is absurd thinking, when you consider that our government was THE seminal achievement of our founding fathers.

The days of the Everett Dirksen Republican are over.

Victor Gold, former speechwriter for George Herbert Walker Bush is a Goldwater conservative in his book explains how the GOP was hijacked away from conservatives by far right theocrats and far left neocons...starting in 1980...Does THAT date ring a bell?

Book Review:

Invasion of the Party Snatchers

By Victor Gold

After four decades as a Republican insider, Victor Gold reveals how the holy-rollers and the Neo-Cons have destroyed the GOP. Now he's fighting to get his party back.

As a man who served as press aide to Barry Goldwater and speechwriter and senior advisor to George H. W. Bush (in addition to co-authoring his autobiography), Victor Gold is absolutely furious that the Neo-Cons and their strange bedfellows, the Evangelical Right, have stolen his party from him. Now he is bringing the fight to them.

Invasion of the Party Snatchers is a blistering critique not only of the Bush-Cheney administration but also of the Republican Congress. Gold is ready to tell all about the war being waged for the soul of the GOP, including the elder Bush's opinion of his sons work domestically and abroad, the significance of the newly elected Congress, and how Goldwater would have reacted to it all. Gold reveals, among other explosive disclosures, how George W. has been manipulated by his vice president and secretary of defense to become, in Lenin's famous phrase, a "useful idiot" for Neo-Conservative warmongers and Theo-Conservative religious fanatics.

Although there have been other books by dissident Republicans attacking the Bush-Cheney administrations betrayal of conservative principles, none have been by an insider whose political credentials include inner-circle status with Barry Goldwater and George H. W. Bush.

Review:
"Make no mistake: author Gold, a former speechwriter for George H.W. Bush and aide to Barry Goldwater, is one disgusted Republican. The GOP of the 2006 midterm election, he writes, is 'a party of pork-barrel ear-markers like Dennis Hastert, of political hatchet men like Karl Rove, and of Bible-thumping hypocrites like Tom Delay.' Gold looks to Goldwater, 'a straight-talking, freethinking maverick,' as the yardstick by which to measure just how far the party of Lincoln has fallen.

He traces the beginning of the end to the 1980 Republican National Convention and the presence of 'a militant new element...personified by Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.' The other half of the equation, the neoconservatives, are embodied by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, 'two cuts from the same Machiavellian cloth.' In efficient prose, Gold scrutinizes a significant swath of recent GOP history, in particular Newt Gingrich's 104th Congress and the Bush II White House, without losing momentum.

He also has choice words for 'the Coulterization of Republican rhetoric,' the revolving door between Capitol Hill and K Street, and 'sideshow' legislation like the Flag Protection Amendment. Gold sees a promising future for the Republican Party, but not until they lose some major elections and are able to keep down a slice of humble pie; for those disillusioned with the state of the GOP, this quick, uncompromising polemic provides substantial support, along with a large dose of cold comfort." Publishers Weekly (Starred Review) (Copyright Reed Business Information, Inc.)

Synopsis:
The last real Goldwater conservative in America attacks the current state of his movement and his party.

Powell's Books - Invasion of the Party Snatchers: How the Holy-Rollers and Neo-Cons Destroyed the GOP by Victor Gold

I get it, you are the one who is confused. You are giving Reagan credit for something he had nothing to do with, and blaming him because you think it didn't work, this despite the fact that it never happened. And you think I am crazy.

The "Reagan revolution" did not lead to unbridled capitalism. There is not a lack of regulations in government that led to the financial meltdown. The primary cause of the housing bubble was the government regulations that were designed to put every American in a home of their own, not the Wall Street financial wizards that profited off said government stupidity. You have never, in your entire life, witnessed anything that remotely resembles unbridled capitalism, and you will not live long enough to ever see it because there will always be idiots who, like you, refuse to acknowledge that government is not the solution to every problem in the world.

WOW...I describe the absurd mantra and propaganda the Reagan revolution created; 'government is THE one and only problem', and you oblige by spewing that same absurd nonsense...

There were a lot of causes for the financial meltdown, but what we do know is this:
The financial meltdown was not caused by government regulations. It was not caused by selling homes to poor and middle class families.

It was caused by selling homes to speculators, the easy money flip for profit-eers. It was caused by a LACK of regulations and a lack of enforcement of existing regulations. Too much DEregulation of financial markets led to spurious innovations, like unregulated credit-default swaps and mortgage-backed securities backed by sub-prime loans by large banks and Wall Street financial wizards played a pivotal role in the economic devastation that enriched the financial sector at the expense of consumers.

The Community Investment Act was NOT to blame for the financial meltdown. Fed economists found that about 60% of higher-priced loan originations — the technical definition of subrpime — went to middle- or higher-income borrowers or neighborhoods who aren’t targeted by CRA. More than 20% of the higher-priced loans were extended to lower-income borrowers or borrowers in lower-income areas by institutions that aren’t banks — and aren’t covered by CRA.

The “striking result,” Kroszner said: “Only 6% of all the higher-priced loans were extended by CRA-covered lenders to lower-income borrowers or neighborhoods in their CRA assessment areas, the local geographies that are the primary focus for CRA evaluation purposes.”

“This result undermines the assertion by critics of the potential for a substantial role for the CRA in the subprime crisis. In other words, the very small share of all higher-priced loan originations that can reasonably be attributed to the CRA makes it hard to imagine how this law could have contributed in any meaningful way to the current subprime crisis.

The Financial Crisis Timeline

Fed’s Kroszner: Don’t Blame CRA - Real Time Economics - WSJ

 

[kaz]

The mantra and propaganda that has taken over and totally consumed what used to be called 'conservative' can be directly attributed to Reagan. He is the patron saint of 'government is THE one and only problem'

Here is the full quote: "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."

He said, "In this present crisis." You changed that to 'government is THE one and only problem'. And what conservatives use that as a mantra for is that government is not the solution to our economic problems. That still doesn't remotely say government is the "only" problem.

This isn't even just partisan, you're just butt stupid.