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Why do you keep avoidng what I asked you....I have healthcare thru my employer -- but I am not a self centered narcissist...I don't have a "fuck you, I got mine" attitude...there is no reason for people to be too broke to live …..period.....So basically, if you can't afford insurance, you deserve to die...cool...Republican Blurts Out That Sick People Don’t Deserve Affordable Care
Republican health care plan: stay healthy or die.
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But everything he said was dead on right. Did you not listen to anything he said?
The people who refuse to buy their own health insurance, who then later become ill, are passing those costs onto the people who have been responsible, and paid for insurance.
The people who are acting responsibly, are being punished by those who did not.
That's not fair. The Republican, once again and as is always the case, is dead on right.
All republicans have to do is be honest and campaign on it instead of lying like Trump did when he promised EVERYONE would have health care and it would the greatest most tremendous most affordable healthcare ever..believe me....
We don't
So basically, you are an irresponsible person, and everyone else should be forced to pay for your bad choices?
Besides you can't complain about Trump. You had Obama, you had the congress, you passed Obama care, and screwed up the system worse than it ever was before.
Every attempt to blame Trump, is just you admitting that you and everything you stand for, has been is will always be, an utter and total failure.
Again...why do you coward ass republicans not run on the bullshit you talking about now??
Why do you coward ass republicans do all in your power to take away affordable healthcare from people then turn around and campaign on protecting the very thing you were actively voting against?? Because they are cowards...
Republicans Fought Obamacare. Now They’re Campaigning to Save It
Only because you don't realize how much higher your insurance premiums are, because of people who have refused to get insurance through their employer or otherwise, and you are the one paying the bill.
If your pay stub had two line items "Health Insurance plan" and "Premium payment to cover those who refuse to get insurance".
I guarantee you, that you would be livid. I know for a fact you would be, because I have personally seen left-wingers like you, freak out when their premiums go up, because they employed people with tons of pre-existing conditions.
I was at a company, where a bunch of left-wing democrap women were standing around saying how insurance should cover everything. Then the company the ObamaCare laws change our insurance plans. The result was everyone's premiums drastically increased.... because the insurance companies were covering more. Everyone (except me, because I had private insurance outside the company), had a pay cut.
All these left-wingers screaming that insurance should cover everything, and no pre-existing conditions, you should have seen these left-wingers having a toddler temper tantrum after the premium hikes.
You people on the left, are real quick to play your fake-morality game, when you don't see any cost to yourself.
But the moment the bill lands in your lap, you all have a melt down.
Because neither party knows how to optimize healthcare. Politicians get it for free so they don’t care. They suck.I am going to say this again..."The idea that millions of people are going bankrupt" <<-- nice strawman....If what insurance companies feel those people should pay is something that they can't afford (seeing as tho tons of families are going bankrupt due to medical bills) -- you are basically saying they shouldn't be insured.....You idiot. I said They should pay more. I did Not say they should not be insured. You should pay more than me for example because you’re old and unhealthy.
Everyone has access to health care, doesn't mean its affordable for them to access it....
First, what you said is just flat out not true.
People are simply not just going bankrupt left and right because of health care costs. It was a lie from the very start.
I personally read the report, where they made this claim. The research paper that this made up myth came from, was entirely flaws from the very start.
For example, they included any bankruptcy in which $500 or more was due to medical bills.
Further, they did not look at how much other debt the individual had.
Do you see someone filing bankruptcy on $500? Of course not. The cost of the bankruptcy itself, would be almost as much as the medical debt.
Additionally, even if you had $2,000 in medical debt, and you owned $100,000 in credit cards, and a car loan and other debts.... is that a medical bankruptcy? Were you really filing just because of the $2,000 in medical bills? Or was it the $100K in other debt?
Lastly, and most importantly, they included bankruptcy that was caused, not by medical bills, but because of missing work. So if you had insurance good enough to cover all your medical bills completely, but you missed 2 months of work, and ended up filing bankruptcy because you had no income..... that was also included as a medical bankruptcy.
The entire thing was ridiculous. The idea that millions of people are going bankrupt because of medical bills, is flat out false, and a myth.
Not true.
Half a million families file bankruptcy every year....66% of them cite medical bills as their chief reason for filing....
This is the real reason most Americans file for bankruptcy
in a country that can spend trillions on endless wars in the Middle east and not blink, not once ask "how are we going to pay for it" -- no fucking body should be going bankrupt for being sick......period....
Again... saying that Medical bills are the reason, is ridiculous. If someone asks me why I'm filing bankruptcy, I'll list all my bills. If I have a medical bill for $100, I would list it.
Even your own article that you posted, said "Contributing factor". Right, every single bill, including that $200 TV I bought would be a "contributing factor".
In fact, your article continued with more things I directly said......
either because of high costs for care or time out of work
Or time off work? So your insurance might cover 100%, but if you are forced into bankruptcy because of your 'time off work'.... that's a medical bankruptcy?
That is exactly what your article stated.
So you just validated my entire post, with your own link.
Thanks. Next time, read more, and talk less. Might learn something.
Why don't republicans campaign on it??
Why are republicans campaigning on protecting Obamacare??
Because they are cowards.....
If whatever the republicans were proposing on healthcare was so great, they would share that plan with the rest of us.....
Majority of Republicans supports 'Medicare for all,' poll finds
You’re dumb so I will reiterate that I am an Independent and do not belong to either party. I think both are deeply flawed. Democrat party is worse as it is run by idiot Leftists. You’re dumb, so let me explain. It would be the same as if the Republican Party were run by David Duke now.Yea, I remember Michelle Obama triggering plenty of trumpers by saying the same thing....We are discussing mutually exclusive issues. My point is that fewer people would be sick if they took care of themselves proactively and perhaps they would do so knowing they would pay lower premiums. Win/win. You Leftists always use extreme cases to make your points.If you think the majority of the people who are going bankrupt or flat out dying due to lack of access to affordable coverage are just people who are too lazy to be healthy, you are delusional.....No. I am saying if I am healthy, don’t take meds or smoke and you’re overweight, smoke and need pills for diabetes because you’re too lazy to workout and too stupid to eat right you should pay more for coverage.If what insurance companies feel they should pay is something they can't afford (seeing as tho tons of families are going bankrupt due to medical bills) -- you are basically saying they shouldn't be insured.....You idiot. I said They should pay more. I did Not say they should not be insured. You should pay more than me for example because you’re old and unhealthy.
Everyone has access to health care, doesn't mean its affordable for them to access it....
I guess with you folks, you support something as long as it not attributed to the scary black person...
Maybe that is why states like Kentucky love their healthcare system as long as you don't tell them its Obamacare...
Kentuckians hate Obamacare but love it by another name
I am going to say this again..."The idea that millions of people are going bankrupt" <<-- nice strawman....If what insurance companies feel those people should pay is something that they can't afford (seeing as tho tons of families are going bankrupt due to medical bills) -- you are basically saying they shouldn't be insured.....You idiot. I said They should pay more. I did Not say they should not be insured. You should pay more than me for example because you’re old and unhealthy.
Everyone has access to health care, doesn't mean its affordable for them to access it....
First, what you said is just flat out not true.
People are simply not just going bankrupt left and right because of health care costs. It was a lie from the very start.
I personally read the report, where they made this claim. The research paper that this made up myth came from, was entirely flaws from the very start.
For example, they included any bankruptcy in which $500 or more was due to medical bills.
Further, they did not look at how much other debt the individual had.
Do you see someone filing bankruptcy on $500? Of course not. The cost of the bankruptcy itself, would be almost as much as the medical debt.
Additionally, even if you had $2,000 in medical debt, and you owned $100,000 in credit cards, and a car loan and other debts.... is that a medical bankruptcy? Were you really filing just because of the $2,000 in medical bills? Or was it the $100K in other debt?
Lastly, and most importantly, they included bankruptcy that was caused, not by medical bills, but because of missing work. So if you had insurance good enough to cover all your medical bills completely, but you missed 2 months of work, and ended up filing bankruptcy because you had no income..... that was also included as a medical bankruptcy.
The entire thing was ridiculous. The idea that millions of people are going bankrupt because of medical bills, is flat out false, and a myth.
Not true.
Half a million families file bankruptcy every year....66% of them cite medical bills as their chief reason for filing....
This is the real reason most Americans file for bankruptcy
in a country that can spend trillions on endless wars in the Middle east and not blink, not once ask "how are we going to pay for it" -- no fucking body should be going bankrupt for being sick......period....
Again... saying that Medical bills are the reason, is ridiculous. If someone asks me why I'm filing bankruptcy, I'll list all my bills. If I have a medical bill for $100, I would list it.
Even your own article that you posted, said "Contributing factor". Right, every single bill, including that $200 TV I bought would be a "contributing factor".
In fact, your article continued with more things I directly said......
either because of high costs for care or time out of work
Or time off work? So your insurance might cover 100%, but if you are forced into bankruptcy because of your 'time off work'.... that's a medical bankruptcy?
That is exactly what your article stated.
So you just validated my entire post, with your own link.
Thanks. Next time, read more, and talk less. Might learn something.
Why don't republicans campaign on it??
Why are republicans campaigning on protecting Obamacare??
Because they are cowards.....
If whatever the republicans were proposing on healthcare was so great, they would share that plan with the rest of us.....
Majority of Republicans supports 'Medicare for all,' poll finds
This is really interesting to read both sides on. It’s interesting to me to read how quickly people are to blame poor health for whatever ailment. I think everyone forgets how many things can happen to you that don’t involve being unhealthy.
Hernias, Rotator cuff tears, labrum tears, ACL tears, meniscal damage, cataracts, gallbladder disease (genetic factor), appendix removal, bunion repairs, carpal tunnel repairs...I could go on and on.
These are all things any one of us on this thread could get while living a perfectly active life. It’s crazy to me how ready people here are to think of the extremes. I do not think in a country as rich as our own we should have people who are hard workers struggling to pay for the costs of their healthcare. Yet I see it all the time...
You idiot. I said They should pay more. I did Not say they should not be insured. You should pay more than me for example because you’re old and unhealthy.Should they pay more for healthcare than nonsmoking people? Yes or no? Should fat asses pay more than those who eat better and exercise. Should those who abuse alcohol pay more? Yes or no? You Leftists just make excuses.No they are not just one percentI agree but if we are both healthy and you’re a smoker and I am not you should pay more. All things being equal. You keep using dramatic cases, which are less than 1% of most subscribers. Don’t be a dink.No it shouldn’t be
This is people’s life
If your kid was born with a disability, or you have a heart condition, or god forbid you get pregnant
You should not be placed in a high risk pool that puts your financial future in jeopardy.
We should not punish people for being sick
In terms of life insurance I pay a lot less as I was deemed as such posts tests. Why can it not be the same for health insurance and again dont give me extreme examples. Don’t be a Leftist loser for once.
It is each and every one of us
The overwhelming majority of our healthcare dollar is used by those 65 and older. We will all, hopefully, be there some day.
Thankfully, smokers are a small percentage of our society today. Whatever we are doing is working
No
Sick people should be treated
Period
Healthcare is healthcare. You don’t open the door for insurers to cherry pick their clients. Insure one, you insure all.....no exceptions
You idiot. I said They should pay more. I did Not say they should not be insured. You should pay more than me for example because you’re old and unhealthy.Should they pay more for healthcare than nonsmoking people? Yes or no? Should fat asses pay more than those who eat better and exercise. Should those who abuse alcohol pay more? Yes or no? You Leftists just make excuses.No they are not just one percentI agree but if we are both healthy and you’re a smoker and I am not you should pay more. All things being equal. You keep using dramatic cases, which are less than 1% of most subscribers. Don’t be a dink.
In terms of life insurance I pay a lot less as I was deemed as such posts tests. Why can it not be the same for health insurance and again dont give me extreme examples. Don’t be a Leftist loser for once.
It is each and every one of us
The overwhelming majority of our healthcare dollar is used by those 65 and older. We will all, hopefully, be there some day.
Thankfully, smokers are a small percentage of our society today. Whatever we are doing is working
No
Sick people should be treated
Period
Healthcare is healthcare. You don’t open the door for insurers to cherry pick their clients. Insure one, you insure all.....no exceptions
Again brings us to the haves and have nots
Making the sick pay more is just blaming the victim
Do you think sick people are in any way making out ?
I think Democrats are misreading what Republicans are saying - or least what was cited in the OP - and deliberately so. It isn't about "blaming" people who are ill. Saying that people should be responsible for their own living expenses, rather forcing someone else to pay, isn't controversial. It's the way we deal with nearly all of life's expenses. For some reason, people think health care should be different. I don't get it.
Don’t you belive in abortion? But you care about someone dying? Lol what ?Republican Blurts Out That Sick People Don’t Deserve Affordable Care
Rather than increase government spending and control, we need to address the root causes of poor health. This begins with the realization that every American adult is responsible for his or her own health.
Republican health care plan: stay healthy or die.
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Don’t you belive in abortion? But you care about someone dying? Lol what ?
Who doesn’t care about the child.. huh??Don’t you belive in abortion? But you care about someone dying? Lol what ?
I can see how that seems weird, but I also wonder it from the same but opposite perspective. So many people against abortion but then don’t care about the babies once they are born and alive and living. How can people who seemingly find so much value in life care so little about life after birth? I’d have much more respect for the pro life movement if they seemed to care about life after the birth.
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Who doesn’t care about the child.. huh??
So just after birth you care about it ,, but just months ago you would have snipped it’s limbs off alive? Please save me you fake feelings lol[[QUOTE="Jitss617, post: 23861737, member:
Who doesn’t care about the child.. huh??
It often seems like people who say they care about the kid don’t ever support things that would help them during their life. Health care; in this example. Our infant mortality rate could be improved by better access to care for the babies and mom. What would you say to an uninsured young woman who just found out she had an unexpected pregnancy working a minimum wage job with another child already?
Republican Blurts Out That Sick People Don’t Deserve Affordable Care
Republican health care plan: stay healthy or die.
Don’t you belive in abortion? But you care about someone dying? Lol what ?Republican Blurts Out That Sick People Don’t Deserve Affordable Care
Rather than increase government spending and control, we need to address the root causes of poor health. This begins with the realization that every American adult is responsible for his or her own health.
Republican health care plan: stay healthy or die.
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Republican Blurts Out That Sick People Don’t Deserve Affordable Care
Rather than increase government spending and control, we need to address the root causes of poor health. This begins with the realization that every American adult is responsible for his or her own health.
Republican health care plan: stay healthy or die.
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That process allows insurance companies to divide and conquerYou idiot. I said They should pay more. I did Not say they should not be insured. You should pay more than me for example because you’re old and unhealthy.Should they pay more for healthcare than nonsmoking people? Yes or no? Should fat asses pay more than those who eat better and exercise. Should those who abuse alcohol pay more? Yes or no? You Leftists just make excuses.No they are not just one percent
It is each and every one of us
The overwhelming majority of our healthcare dollar is used by those 65 and older. We will all, hopefully, be there some day.
Thankfully, smokers are a small percentage of our society today. Whatever we are doing is working
No
Sick people should be treated
Period
Healthcare is healthcare. You don’t open the door for insurers to cherry pick their clients. Insure one, you insure all.....no exceptions
Again brings us to the haves and have nots
Making the sick pay more is just blaming the victim
Do you think sick people are in any way making out ?
Hold on so rich people cannot be fat and unhealthy? That doesn't make any sense. Why do you always go back to that, Leftist? If we both work for Amazon in Accounting and have the same comp. and you're fat and smoke and I am a healthy weight and do not, you should pay more. You're such an evil troll.
What's affordable care? No such thing.
