Repbulican Senate candidate Rubio criticizes Arizona law

[drsmith1072]

Naturally one cannot prove a negative. But disproving it would be easy. Please take 20 seconds and Google the subject and present even one or two articles from the election period where the candidates discussed their view on immigration.
Three years and Democrats failed to even consider immigration. That is the relevant fact here.
The veto proof majority was for over a year. How much time do you need to consider legislation? Is bogus climate change legislation more important than immigration,which has reached a crisis point in many areas?

If I prove you wrong will you admit it or will you do as you usualy do when i prove you wrong and attack me continuously only to cut and run from the thread without admitting wrongdoing?

however, here you go.

Before a huge crowd in San Diego last summer, Barack Obama vowed to make fixing illegal immigration a top priority as president, and Latinos nationwide responded with massive support for him on Election Day. Now, they are pressing him to keep his promise.
Obama faces pressure on immigration reform - The Boston Globe

proof that you are WRONG. AGAIN.

Can you prove immigration was never even "considered" or is that your OPINION?? Seems to me that you are rpesenting OPINION as fact. AGAIN.

The veto proof majority was NOT for over a year but thanks for the spin. When did specter switch sides?? April 28, 2010 and when did scott brown win? jan, 10 2010. (corrected typo)

That does not equal a year let alone exceed a year. Your spin loses AGAIN.

Gosh, another failure on your part. I wanted an article from the primary election period that mentioned candidates' stance on immigration. Your article appears to be after the election. Can you not tell the difference?
But even if the article is accurate, are you saying that Obama failed to follow through on yet another promise? Why did he not deal with immigration which was a top priority, as you posted, despite having overwhelming majorities in both houses of Congress?

Your dishonesty knows no end.

The article references a speech that candidate obama gave the previous summer to the crowd. You wanted proof and i gave it.

You spin you lose AGAIN.

Then you try to hedge your bets by spinning to attack obama for not following through with a campaign promise that you have previously tried to argue wasn't made. Nice contradiction.

Thanks for once again showing that you can't be hoenst and admit that you are wrong even wehn proven to be WRONG. LOL

Furthermore, the fact that you avoided how I proved your assertion that the super majority lasted over a year when it did NOT further exposes your dishonesty.

Why can't you be honest and admit that you are WRONG when proven to be WRONG??

 

[The Rabbi]

I am not wrong. You have not met the burden of proof here. You referenced an article that was written after the election. I have no idea whether Obama made those comments or not. If he did, I don't think he did it during the primaries. And the article failed to mention what his immigration proposals were, only that they were "top priority" which is why he has spent over a year in the White House with solid majorities in Congress and failed to produce even a proposal.
Go ahead and spin and attack and dissemble and change the subject. You have not made your case. And if you could have it would have been a very easy one to make.

 

[froggy]

Marco Rubio speaks out on AZ immigration law

It could also unreasonably single out people who are here legally, including many American citizens

He needs to be sent packing with the other whiners of this law.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Democrats have had 3 years to deal with this issue. Did a single Democratic presdiential candidate so much as talk about immigration in the primaries or general? No.
I rest my case.

Uh did you miss the FACT that the last time it came up W supported it but his own party did NOT?? the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 was filibusterd by all republicans and a few democrats. So as far as that goes republicans lose the justification to complain let alone shift the blame to only democrats based on their own obstruction of passage of immigration reform. Thanks for playing though.

Did the candidates talk about immigration reform?? If your answer is no can you prove that to be the case?? NO.

Furthermore, Based on right wing talking points obama not doing anything now is aviolation of his campaign promises so IF he did make such a promise then that would prove your assertion WRONG.

You are once again shown to be either ignorant or dishonest. So did you know better and LIE or are you ignorant of the facts and merely ranting for the sake of ranting??

I rest my case. LOL

You are barely coherent here.
Please post an article where the candidates debated immigration during the primaries. That would prove your point.
But even you agree Democrats joined to torpedo immigration legislation pushed by Pres. Bush. Where were the Democrats in Congress? Where were they after they won control of Congress? Where have they been since they won control of the White House, the House of Representatives and attained a veto proof majority in the senate?
Are you intentionally trying to shift the discussion here, or can you not answer these simple questions?

Videos: Clinton, Obama air their differences - CNN.com

 

[Oscar Wao]

Marco Rubio speaks out on AZ immigration law

It could also unreasonably single out people who are here legally, including many American citizens

how big is the cuban population of miami?

seriously, if tom tancredo, al sharpton and marco rubio are all saying the same thing, there's really no excuse for anyone here defending it.

That's some fucked up logic right there.

Tom Tancredo is more conservative. He's white. Marco Rubio is at least moderately conservative. He's Latino. Al Sharpton's a lib. He's black.

Two people who are more ideologically similar and one who's ideologically different, yet they share the same belief. All 3 are of different racial/ethnic bacgrounds.

Yet they come to agree on the same idea despite their ideological differences.

It's not "fucked up logic" at all.

 

[drsmith1072]

I am not wrong. You have not met the burden of proof here. You referenced an article that was written after the election. I have no idea whether Obama made those comments or not. If he did, I don't think he did it during the primaries. And the article failed to mention what his immigration proposals were, only that they were "top priority" which is why he has spent over a year in the White House with solid majorities in Congress and failed to produce even a proposal.
Go ahead and spin and attack and dissemble and change the subject. You have not made your case. And if you could have it would have been a very easy one to make.

This started with YOUR claim that you have failed to prove. The burden of proof lies with you not me.

However, I will prove you wrong AGAIN. Will you admit it this time?? I doubt it.

IMMIGRATION REFORM

Pledge: "We need comprehensive reform ... We have to require that undocumented workers, who are provided a pathway to citizenship, not only learn English, pay back taxes and pay a significant fine, but also that they're going to the back of the line, so that they are not getting citizenship before those who have applied legally." -- Obama, during a Feb. 21, 2008, debate in Austin FOXNews.com - Promises to Keep: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama

Oh and just love how you try to defend your postion

Did a single Democratic presdiential candidate so much as talk about immigration in the primaries or general? No.

by claiming that the eveidence that proves you wrong doesn't show obama's specifics when your own claim was that they didn't even "so much as talk about it".

LOL

Oh and BTW I also proved your claim that the democrat held super majority lasted longer than a year to be completely false so i am not surprised that you avoid admiiting it AGAIN.

Your have been proven WRONG on two accounts in this very thread and you can't even admit it.

Thanks for showing that you have zero integrity.

 

[The Rabbi]

It has taken you what, two day?, to get something, anything, that will support your position. That's pitiful.
The Dems enjoyed a super majority. They basically still do. And the fact remains that in 3 years of controlling Congress they have utterly failed to begin to address the problem.

 

[drsmith1072]

It has taken you what, two day?, to get something, anything, that will support your position. That's pitiful.
The Dems enjoyed a super majority. They basically still do. And the fact remains that in 3 years of controlling Congress they have utterly failed to begin to address the problem.

No it didn't take "two day" However, I don't spend every waking hour on this board like some of YOU do. The first article supported my postion and countered yours. You just wanted more so i gave it to you and you still can't admit that you were WRONG. Just further proves your dishoensty and lack of integrity.

Spin all you want to, however it doesn't change the FACT that YOU were WRONG and I proved YOU WRONG.

your claims,

Did a single Democratic presdiential candidate so much as talk about immigration in the primaries or general? No.

and

The veto proof majority was for over a year.

have both been proven WRONG and your continued defense of said WRONG positions even after being corrected shows you to be dishonest. The rest of your rant is nothing mroe than dishonest spin to defend the republicans.

Thanks for the spin but at the end of the day YOU LOSE AGAIN.

P.S. I am still waiting on YOU to prove YOUR claim that

Three years and Democrats failed to even consider immigration.

So can you prove immigration was never even "considered" or is that your OPINION?? Seems to me that you are presenting OPINION as fact. AGAIN.

 

[The Rabbi]

What was candidate Obama's position on immigration? What was candidate Hillary's? When did they debate the relative merits of their ideas?
You can't answer the question because you have no idea and because they didn't.

What have the Democrats done since taking over Congress in 06 about immigration? What bills have they proposed to solve the issue?
Again, no answer.

On substance, the Democrats voted "present" on immigration.

 

[Ravi]

What was candidate Obama's position on immigration? What was candidate Hillary's? When did they debate the relative merits of their ideas?
You can't answer the question because you have no idea and because they didn't.

What have the Democrats done since taking over Congress in 06 about immigration? What bills have they proposed to solve the issue?
Again, no answer.

On substance, the Democrats voted "present" on immigration.

IIRC, most Democrats supported quite a bit of Dubya's immigration reform. It was the Republicans that didn't.

So, what is the Republican idea? It doesn't seem to be what Arizona is doing.

 

[The T]

I am not wrong. You have not met the burden of proof here. You referenced an article that was written after the election. I have no idea whether Obama made those comments or not. If he did, I don't think he did it during the primaries. And the article failed to mention what his immigration proposals were, only that they were "top priority" which is why he has spent over a year in the White House with solid majorities in Congress and failed to produce even a proposal.
Go ahead and spin and attack and dissemble and change the subject. You have not made your case. And if you could have it would have been a very easy one to make.

Obama's first priority was to further fuck-up a troubled economy, and take it over. So he owns it and the fallout.

As to this issue? All he's done is to demegogue it by fronting nasty comments of the law and Police expected to uphold the LAW he ignores on this issue.

In short? he's enjoying further dividing US. It serves as a nice distraction for him.