Religious Training In Public School?

First global victory of the devil was the proud separation of church and state.

The second global victory of the devil is public schools.

Once you don't get the news that there is a Christ, or you reject Him, even if under peer pressure, your life will no longer be anything but running up a down escalator.

What better way to implement universal slavery than making you believe that it is your government that is God. Jesus rejected this in the desert.

But Stalin of the Soviet Union said that "the antichrists are the real enemies of socialism and we believe that we have to fight a real struggle against real enemies".
God made the devil and god is perfect and incapable of making mistakes

On which verses do you base this argument? If all of the above is correct at all times, then it is only your free will that causes the problems.

And that leads to the paradox that your free will does not come from God. The further away you are from God, the bigger problem free will is. You may propose that the devil is a result of your free will. But then God created the devil only in the sense as God created Mona Lisa when Michelangeo painted it.

Alternatively, the perfection of God is a function of the distance away from God. You have to compensate for that distance with your free will. Since public schools invert the free will and give it to the devil, you are not compensating for the distance but making it worse.

God created Lucifer then cast him down. God is a perfect all powerful being who could have snapped his fingers and wiped Lucifer from the universe but he didn't did he?

He intentionally left Lucifer alive because he likes to torment his creations.

This may be true and leads quickly to a version of the neo Cathar movement.

And also it leads back to the original question of all religions, why is there suffering and how do we stop it.

If God cast the devil down then it means God put a distance between Himself and the devil. And indeed, the longer the distance between God and a sybject, the lesser is God's grace and the greater is suffering. The devil is the fastest point away from God . The devil is infinitely evil and replaces infinite grace with infinite suffering. Furthemore, as the grace of God is a force of attraction the closer you get to god, also the evil of the devil is a force of attraction the closer you get to that, like a black hole that swallows up light.
Buddhists know that suffering is part of life.

and the devil cannot be infinite if he is a creation of a god that is supposed to be infinite.

Good and evil are human constructs and do not exist beyond the that

We don't know if good and evil exist beyond humanity or not, but there are signs that suggest that they do.

In either case, evil makes us suffer. Suffering may be a part of life, but what secular non religious education brings about is not simply suffering but a slew of many people who invent and inflict suffering on others, because they don't believe in a higher power or because they think evil is fun. Both beliefs are constructs of the devil, derivative of secularism.

And are you saying that the Buddhists believe that the soul is not infinite?

right and wrong, good and evil are human constructs.

and as I said suffering is part of life.

no magic being is going to change that. and lots of people don't believe in a higher power and they do not do anything to inflict suffering on anyone.
 
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Buddhists know that suffering is part of life.
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Funny how so many atheists are so fond of pretending to understand Buddhism. The leftist forces of cultural decay in the West have been hammering away at the Judeo-Christian foundation upon which Western culture was built for so long that these lost little lambs have been conditioned to be embarrassed or even hostile toward Christianity in particular. These weak-minded drones feel pressured (the same way an insecure little child succumbs to peer pressure) to reject the culture and beliefs of their own families, and are left with a void they cannot understand. Many respond by grasping for a religious tradition that is 'foreign' enough to western secularists to be acceptable or even 'cool.' Of course they cannot understand said tradition enough to find the level of nourishment they have deprived themselves of, but it is just enough to keep their souls alive (though they could never admit to having one) and to pretend at cocktail parties to be 'spiritual,' but not of course "religious," which would expose them to ridicule among the unforgiving secular clergy.

So yeah, "insecure."
 
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Buddhists know that suffering is part of life.
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Funny how so many atheists are so fond of pretending to understand Buddhism. The leftist forces of cultural decay in the West have been hammering away at the Judeo-Christian foundation upon which Western culture was built for so long that these lost little lambs have been conditioned to be embarrassed or even hostile toward Christianity in particular. These weak-minded drones feel pressured (the same way an insecure little child succumbs to peer pressure) to reject the culture and beliefs of their own families, and are left with a void they cannot understand. Many respond by grasping for a religious tradition that is 'foreign' enough to western secularists to be acceptable or even 'cool.' Of course they cannot understand said tradition enough to find the level of nourishment they have deprived themselves of, but it is just enough to keep their souls alive (though they could never admit to having one) and to pretend at cocktail parties to be 'spiritual,' but not of course "religious," which would expose them to ridicule among the unforgiving secular clergy.

So yeah, "insecure."

I have been studying with a Buddhist monk for years.

So I have a pretty good understanding.

And I'm not hostile toward Christianity but you think I am because I'm not a Christian.

What does that say about you?
 
First global victory of the devil was the proud separation of church and state.

The second global victory of the devil is public schools.

Once you don't get the news that there is a Christ, or you reject Him, even if under peer pressure, your life will no longer be anything but running up a down escalator.

What better way to implement universal slavery than making you believe that it is your government that is God. Jesus rejected this in the desert.

But Stalin of the Soviet Union said that "the antichrists are the real enemies of socialism and we believe that we have to fight a real struggle against real enemies".
God made the devil and god is perfect and incapable of making mistakes

On which verses do you base this argument? If all of the above is correct at all times, then it is only your free will that causes the problems.

And that leads to the paradox that your free will does not come from God. The further away you are from God, the bigger problem free will is. You may propose that the devil is a result of your free will. But then God created the devil only in the sense as God created Mona Lisa when Michelangeo painted it.

Alternatively, the perfection of God is a function of the distance away from God. You have to compensate for that distance with your free will. Since public schools invert the free will and give it to the devil, you are not compensating for the distance but making it worse.

God created Lucifer then cast him down. God is a perfect all powerful being who could have snapped his fingers and wiped Lucifer from the universe but he didn't did he?

He intentionally left Lucifer alive because he likes to torment his creations.

This may be true and leads quickly to a version of the neo Cathar movement.

And also it leads back to the original question of all religions, why is there suffering and how do we stop it.

If God cast the devil down then it means God put a distance between Himself and the devil. And indeed, the longer the distance between God and a sybject, the lesser is God's grace and the greater is suffering. The devil is the fastest point away from God . The devil is infinitely evil and replaces infinite grace with infinite suffering. Furthemore, as the grace of God is a force of attraction the closer you get to god, also the evil of the devil is a force of attraction the closer you get to that, like a black hole that swallows up light.
Buddhists know that suffering is part of life.

and the devil cannot be infinite if he is a creation of a god that is supposed to be infinite.

Good and evil are human constructs and do not exist beyond the that

We don't know if good and evil exist beyond humanity or not, but there are signs that suggest that they do.

In either case, evil makes us suffer. Suffering may be a part of life, but what secular non religious education brings about is not simply suffering but a slew of many people who invent and inflict suffering on others, because they don't believe in a higher power or because they think evil is fun. Both beliefs are constructs of the devil, derivative of secularism.

And are you saying that the Buddhists believe that the soul is not infinite?

right and wrong, good and evil are human constructs.

and as I said suffering is part of life.

no magic being is going to change that. and lots of people don't believe in a higher power and they do not do anything to inflict suffering on anyone.
Lots of people may be. But it is not the lots of people that matter. What matters is the few that do. That is why every church has it in the mass to mention all powers visible and invisible.

Not to believe in the invisible powers is the gateway that the devil always arranges and ensures for himself. After that, all that is evil will control you through it. Suddenly something tells me that you know all of this ... So your purpose of denying the invisible is described under the keyword sadduccee.
 
First global victory of the devil was the proud separation of church and state.

The second global victory of the devil is public schools.

Once you don't get the news that there is a Christ, or you reject Him, even if under peer pressure, your life will no longer be anything but running up a down escalator.

What better way to implement universal slavery than making you believe that it is your government that is God. Jesus rejected this in the desert.

But Stalin of the Soviet Union said that "the antichrists are the real enemies of socialism and we believe that we have to fight a real struggle against real enemies".
God made the devil and god is perfect and incapable of making mistakes

On which verses do you base this argument? If all of the above is correct at all times, then it is only your free will that causes the problems.

And that leads to the paradox that your free will does not come from God. The further away you are from God, the bigger problem free will is. You may propose that the devil is a result of your free will. But then God created the devil only in the sense as God created Mona Lisa when Michelangeo painted it.

Alternatively, the perfection of God is a function of the distance away from God. You have to compensate for that distance with your free will. Since public schools invert the free will and give it to the devil, you are not compensating for the distance but making it worse.

God created Lucifer then cast him down. God is a perfect all powerful being who could have snapped his fingers and wiped Lucifer from the universe but he didn't did he?

He intentionally left Lucifer alive because he likes to torment his creations.

This may be true and leads quickly to a version of the neo Cathar movement.

And also it leads back to the original question of all religions, why is there suffering and how do we stop it.

If God cast the devil down then it means God put a distance between Himself and the devil. And indeed, the longer the distance between God and a sybject, the lesser is God's grace and the greater is suffering. The devil is the fastest point away from God . The devil is infinitely evil and replaces infinite grace with infinite suffering. Furthemore, as the grace of God is a force of attraction the closer you get to god, also the evil of the devil is a force of attraction the closer you get to that, like a black hole that swallows up light.
Buddhists know that suffering is part of life.

and the devil cannot be infinite if he is a creation of a god that is supposed to be infinite.

Good and evil are human constructs and do not exist beyond the that

We don't know if good and evil exist beyond humanity or not, but there are signs that suggest that they do.

In either case, evil makes us suffer. Suffering may be a part of life, but what secular non religious education brings about is not simply suffering but a slew of many people who invent and inflict suffering on others, because they don't believe in a higher power or because they think evil is fun. Both beliefs are constructs of the devil, derivative of secularism.

And are you saying that the Buddhists believe that the soul is not infinite?

right and wrong, good and evil are human constructs.

and as I said suffering is part of life.

no magic being is going to change that. and lots of people don't believe in a higher power and they do not do anything to inflict suffering on anyone.
Lots of people may be. But it is not the lots of people that matter. What matters is the few that do. That is why every church has it in the mass to mention all powers visible and invisible.

Not to believe in the invisible powers is the gateway that the devil always arranges and ensures for himself. After that, all that is evil will control you through it. Suddenly something tells me that you know all of this ... So your purpose of denying the invisible is described under the keyword sadduccee.
the many always matter more than the few.

And evil cannot control anyone. What we call evil is a value judgement of a person's behavior not some outside force.
 
First global victory of the devil was the proud separation of church and state.

The second global victory of the devil is public schools.

Once you don't get the news that there is a Christ, or you reject Him, even if under peer pressure, your life will no longer be anything but running up a down escalator.

What better way to implement universal slavery than making you believe that it is your government that is God. Jesus rejected this in the desert.

But Stalin of the Soviet Union said that "the antichrists are the real enemies of socialism and we believe that we have to fight a real struggle against real enemies".
God made the devil and god is perfect and incapable of making mistakes

On which verses do you base this argument? If all of the above is correct at all times, then it is only your free will that causes the problems.

And that leads to the paradox that your free will does not come from God. The further away you are from God, the bigger problem free will is. You may propose that the devil is a result of your free will. But then God created the devil only in the sense as God created Mona Lisa when Michelangeo painted it.

Alternatively, the perfection of God is a function of the distance away from God. You have to compensate for that distance with your free will. Since public schools invert the free will and give it to the devil, you are not compensating for the distance but making it worse.

God created Lucifer then cast him down. God is a perfect all powerful being who could have snapped his fingers and wiped Lucifer from the universe but he didn't did he?

He intentionally left Lucifer alive because he likes to torment his creations.

This may be true and leads quickly to a version of the neo Cathar movement.

And also it leads back to the original question of all religions, why is there suffering and how do we stop it.

If God cast the devil down then it means God put a distance between Himself and the devil. And indeed, the longer the distance between God and a sybject, the lesser is God's grace and the greater is suffering. The devil is the fastest point away from God . The devil is infinitely evil and replaces infinite grace with infinite suffering. Furthemore, as the grace of God is a force of attraction the closer you get to god, also the evil of the devil is a force of attraction the closer you get to that, like a black hole that swallows up light.
Buddhists know that suffering is part of life.

and the devil cannot be infinite if he is a creation of a god that is supposed to be infinite.

Good and evil are human constructs and do not exist beyond the that

We don't know if good and evil exist beyond humanity or not, but there are signs that suggest that they do.

In either case, evil makes us suffer. Suffering may be a part of life, but what secular non religious education brings about is not simply suffering but a slew of many people who invent and inflict suffering on others, because they don't believe in a higher power or because they think evil is fun. Both beliefs are constructs of the devil, derivative of secularism.

And are you saying that the Buddhists believe that the soul is not infinite?

right and wrong, good and evil are human constructs.

and as I said suffering is part of life.

no magic being is going to change that. and lots of people don't believe in a higher power and they do not do anything to inflict suffering on anyone.
Lots of people may be. But it is not the lots of people that matter. What matters is the few that do. That is why every church has it in the mass to mention all powers visible and invisible.

Not to believe in the invisible powers is the gateway that the devil always arranges and ensures for himself. After that, all that is evil will control you through it. Suddenly something tells me that you know all of this ... So your purpose of denying the invisible is described under the keyword sadduccee.
the many always matter more than the few.

And evil cannot control anyone. What we call evil is a value judgement of a person's behavior not some outside force.

It takes only a few to destroy everything. Therefore the few matter always more than the many.

For example one drop of a little snake poison can kill a 300 pound welfare bully. That is the power of the few.

And evil controls people. It is immaterial whether it controls them through some value judgement or belief or addiction or through whatever. Evil would not be evil if it didn't control people. Why are you pretending?
 
First global victory of the devil was the proud separation of church and state.

The second global victory of the devil is public schools.

Once you don't get the news that there is a Christ, or you reject Him, even if under peer pressure, your life will no longer be anything but running up a down escalator.

What better way to implement universal slavery than making you believe that it is your government that is God. Jesus rejected this in the desert.

But Stalin of the Soviet Union said that "the antichrists are the real enemies of socialism and we believe that we have to fight a real struggle against real enemies".
God made the devil and god is perfect and incapable of making mistakes

On which verses do you base this argument? If all of the above is correct at all times, then it is only your free will that causes the problems.

And that leads to the paradox that your free will does not come from God. The further away you are from God, the bigger problem free will is. You may propose that the devil is a result of your free will. But then God created the devil only in the sense as God created Mona Lisa when Michelangeo painted it.

Alternatively, the perfection of God is a function of the distance away from God. You have to compensate for that distance with your free will. Since public schools invert the free will and give it to the devil, you are not compensating for the distance but making it worse.

God created Lucifer then cast him down. God is a perfect all powerful being who could have snapped his fingers and wiped Lucifer from the universe but he didn't did he?

He intentionally left Lucifer alive because he likes to torment his creations.

This may be true and leads quickly to a version of the neo Cathar movement.

And also it leads back to the original question of all religions, why is there suffering and how do we stop it.

If God cast the devil down then it means God put a distance between Himself and the devil. And indeed, the longer the distance between God and a sybject, the lesser is God's grace and the greater is suffering. The devil is the fastest point away from God . The devil is infinitely evil and replaces infinite grace with infinite suffering. Furthemore, as the grace of God is a force of attraction the closer you get to god, also the evil of the devil is a force of attraction the closer you get to that, like a black hole that swallows up light.
Buddhists know that suffering is part of life.

and the devil cannot be infinite if he is a creation of a god that is supposed to be infinite.

Good and evil are human constructs and do not exist beyond the that

We don't know if good and evil exist beyond humanity or not, but there are signs that suggest that they do.

In either case, evil makes us suffer. Suffering may be a part of life, but what secular non religious education brings about is not simply suffering but a slew of many people who invent and inflict suffering on others, because they don't believe in a higher power or because they think evil is fun. Both beliefs are constructs of the devil, derivative of secularism.

And are you saying that the Buddhists believe that the soul is not infinite?

right and wrong, good and evil are human constructs.

and as I said suffering is part of life.

no magic being is going to change that. and lots of people don't believe in a higher power and they do not do anything to inflict suffering on anyone.
Lots of people may be. But it is not the lots of people that matter. What matters is the few that do. That is why every church has it in the mass to mention all powers visible and invisible.

Not to believe in the invisible powers is the gateway that the devil always arranges and ensures for himself. After that, all that is evil will control you through it. Suddenly something tells me that you know all of this ... So your purpose of denying the invisible is described under the keyword sadduccee.
the many always matter more than the few.

And evil cannot control anyone. What we call evil is a value judgement of a person's behavior not some outside force.

It takes only a few to destroy everything. Therefore the few matter always more than the many.

For example one drop of a little snake poison can kill a 300 pound welfare bully. That is the power of the few.

And evil controls people. It is immaterial whether it controls them through some value judgement or belief or addiction or through whatever. Evil would not be evil if it didn't control people. Why are you pretending?

Evil does not exist outside of the human reference frame.
 
First global victory of the devil was the proud separation of church and state.

The second global victory of the devil is public schools.

Once you don't get the news that there is a Christ, or you reject Him, even if under peer pressure, your life will no longer be anything but running up a down escalator.

What better way to implement universal slavery than making you believe that it is your government that is God. Jesus rejected this in the desert.

But Stalin of the Soviet Union said that "the antichrists are the real enemies of socialism and we believe that we have to fight a real struggle against real enemies".
God made the devil and god is perfect and incapable of making mistakes

On which verses do you base this argument? If all of the above is correct at all times, then it is only your free will that causes the problems.

And that leads to the paradox that your free will does not come from God. The further away you are from God, the bigger problem free will is. You may propose that the devil is a result of your free will. But then God created the devil only in the sense as God created Mona Lisa when Michelangeo painted it.

Alternatively, the perfection of God is a function of the distance away from God. You have to compensate for that distance with your free will. Since public schools invert the free will and give it to the devil, you are not compensating for the distance but making it worse.

God created Lucifer then cast him down. God is a perfect all powerful being who could have snapped his fingers and wiped Lucifer from the universe but he didn't did he?

He intentionally left Lucifer alive because he likes to torment his creations.

This may be true and leads quickly to a version of the neo Cathar movement.

And also it leads back to the original question of all religions, why is there suffering and how do we stop it.

If God cast the devil down then it means God put a distance between Himself and the devil. And indeed, the longer the distance between God and a sybject, the lesser is God's grace and the greater is suffering. The devil is the fastest point away from God . The devil is infinitely evil and replaces infinite grace with infinite suffering. Furthemore, as the grace of God is a force of attraction the closer you get to god, also the evil of the devil is a force of attraction the closer you get to that, like a black hole that swallows up light.
Buddhists know that suffering is part of life.

and the devil cannot be infinite if he is a creation of a god that is supposed to be infinite.

Good and evil are human constructs and do not exist beyond the that

We don't know if good and evil exist beyond humanity or not, but there are signs that suggest that they do.

In either case, evil makes us suffer. Suffering may be a part of life, but what secular non religious education brings about is not simply suffering but a slew of many people who invent and inflict suffering on others, because they don't believe in a higher power or because they think evil is fun. Both beliefs are constructs of the devil, derivative of secularism.

And are you saying that the Buddhists believe that the soul is not infinite?

right and wrong, good and evil are human constructs.

and as I said suffering is part of life.

no magic being is going to change that. and lots of people don't believe in a higher power and they do not do anything to inflict suffering on anyone.
Lots of people may be. But it is not the lots of people that matter. What matters is the few that do. That is why every church has it in the mass to mention all powers visible and invisible.

Not to believe in the invisible powers is the gateway that the devil always arranges and ensures for himself. After that, all that is evil will control you through it. Suddenly something tells me that you know all of this ... So your purpose of denying the invisible is described under the keyword sadduccee.
the many always matter more than the few.

And evil cannot control anyone. What we call evil is a value judgement of a person's behavior not some outside force.

It takes only a few to destroy everything. Therefore the few matter always more than the many.

For example one drop of a little snake poison can kill a 300 pound welfare bully. That is the power of the few.

And evil controls people. It is immaterial whether it controls them through some value judgement or belief or addiction or through whatever. Evil would not be evil if it didn't control people. Why are you pretending?

Evil does not exist outside of the human reference frame.

Evil follows human groups from generation to generation with uninterrupted and unchanged programming that is even often tailored onto that group. So evil does exist outside human reference and looks like pre dates the physical world.
 
First global victory of the devil was the proud separation of church and state.

The second global victory of the devil is public schools.

Once you don't get the news that there is a Christ, or you reject Him, even if under peer pressure, your life will no longer be anything but running up a down escalator.

What better way to implement universal slavery than making you believe that it is your government that is God. Jesus rejected this in the desert.

But Stalin of the Soviet Union said that "the antichrists are the real enemies of socialism and we believe that we have to fight a real struggle against real enemies".
God made the devil and god is perfect and incapable of making mistakes

On which verses do you base this argument? If all of the above is correct at all times, then it is only your free will that causes the problems.

And that leads to the paradox that your free will does not come from God. The further away you are from God, the bigger problem free will is. You may propose that the devil is a result of your free will. But then God created the devil only in the sense as God created Mona Lisa when Michelangeo painted it.

Alternatively, the perfection of God is a function of the distance away from God. You have to compensate for that distance with your free will. Since public schools invert the free will and give it to the devil, you are not compensating for the distance but making it worse.

God created Lucifer then cast him down. God is a perfect all powerful being who could have snapped his fingers and wiped Lucifer from the universe but he didn't did he?

He intentionally left Lucifer alive because he likes to torment his creations.

This may be true and leads quickly to a version of the neo Cathar movement.

And also it leads back to the original question of all religions, why is there suffering and how do we stop it.

If God cast the devil down then it means God put a distance between Himself and the devil. And indeed, the longer the distance between God and a sybject, the lesser is God's grace and the greater is suffering. The devil is the fastest point away from God . The devil is infinitely evil and replaces infinite grace with infinite suffering. Furthemore, as the grace of God is a force of attraction the closer you get to god, also the evil of the devil is a force of attraction the closer you get to that, like a black hole that swallows up light.
Buddhists know that suffering is part of life.

and the devil cannot be infinite if he is a creation of a god that is supposed to be infinite.

Good and evil are human constructs and do not exist beyond the that

We don't know if good and evil exist beyond humanity or not, but there are signs that suggest that they do.

In either case, evil makes us suffer. Suffering may be a part of life, but what secular non religious education brings about is not simply suffering but a slew of many people who invent and inflict suffering on others, because they don't believe in a higher power or because they think evil is fun. Both beliefs are constructs of the devil, derivative of secularism.

And are you saying that the Buddhists believe that the soul is not infinite?

right and wrong, good and evil are human constructs.

and as I said suffering is part of life.

no magic being is going to change that. and lots of people don't believe in a higher power and they do not do anything to inflict suffering on anyone.
Lots of people may be. But it is not the lots of people that matter. What matters is the few that do. That is why every church has it in the mass to mention all powers visible and invisible.

Not to believe in the invisible powers is the gateway that the devil always arranges and ensures for himself. After that, all that is evil will control you through it. Suddenly something tells me that you know all of this ... So your purpose of denying the invisible is described under the keyword sadduccee.
the many always matter more than the few.

And evil cannot control anyone. What we call evil is a value judgement of a person's behavior not some outside force.

It takes only a few to destroy everything. Therefore the few matter always more than the many.

For example one drop of a little snake poison can kill a 300 pound welfare bully. That is the power of the few.

And evil controls people. It is immaterial whether it controls them through some value judgement or belief or addiction or through whatever. Evil would not be evil if it didn't control people. Why are you pretending?

Evil does not exist outside of the human reference frame.

Evil follows human groups from generation to generation with uninterrupted and unchanged programming that is even often tailored onto that group. So evil does exist outside human reference and looks like pre dates the physical world.
no it doesnt.

Evil is not an entity it is an adjective we use to describe particularly reprehensible behavior
 
First global victory of the devil was the proud separation of church and state.

The second global victory of the devil is public schools.

Once you don't get the news that there is a Christ, or you reject Him, even if under peer pressure, your life will no longer be anything but running up a down escalator.

What better way to implement universal slavery than making you believe that it is your government that is God. Jesus rejected this in the desert.

But Stalin of the Soviet Union said that "the antichrists are the real enemies of socialism and we believe that we have to fight a real struggle against real enemies".
God made the devil and god is perfect and incapable of making mistakes

On which verses do you base this argument? If all of the above is correct at all times, then it is only your free will that causes the problems.

And that leads to the paradox that your free will does not come from God. The further away you are from God, the bigger problem free will is. You may propose that the devil is a result of your free will. But then God created the devil only in the sense as God created Mona Lisa when Michelangeo painted it.

Alternatively, the perfection of God is a function of the distance away from God. You have to compensate for that distance with your free will. Since public schools invert the free will and give it to the devil, you are not compensating for the distance but making it worse.

God created Lucifer then cast him down. God is a perfect all powerful being who could have snapped his fingers and wiped Lucifer from the universe but he didn't did he?

He intentionally left Lucifer alive because he likes to torment his creations.

This may be true and leads quickly to a version of the neo Cathar movement.

And also it leads back to the original question of all religions, why is there suffering and how do we stop it.

If God cast the devil down then it means God put a distance between Himself and the devil. And indeed, the longer the distance between God and a sybject, the lesser is God's grace and the greater is suffering. The devil is the fastest point away from God . The devil is infinitely evil and replaces infinite grace with infinite suffering. Furthemore, as the grace of God is a force of attraction the closer you get to god, also the evil of the devil is a force of attraction the closer you get to that, like a black hole that swallows up light.
Buddhists know that suffering is part of life.

and the devil cannot be infinite if he is a creation of a god that is supposed to be infinite.

Good and evil are human constructs and do not exist beyond the that

We don't know if good and evil exist beyond humanity or not, but there are signs that suggest that they do.

In either case, evil makes us suffer. Suffering may be a part of life, but what secular non religious education brings about is not simply suffering but a slew of many people who invent and inflict suffering on others, because they don't believe in a higher power or because they think evil is fun. Both beliefs are constructs of the devil, derivative of secularism.

And are you saying that the Buddhists believe that the soul is not infinite?

right and wrong, good and evil are human constructs.

and as I said suffering is part of life.

no magic being is going to change that. and lots of people don't believe in a higher power and they do not do anything to inflict suffering on anyone.
Lots of people may be. But it is not the lots of people that matter. What matters is the few that do. That is why every church has it in the mass to mention all powers visible and invisible.

Not to believe in the invisible powers is the gateway that the devil always arranges and ensures for himself. After that, all that is evil will control you through it. Suddenly something tells me that you know all of this ... So your purpose of denying the invisible is described under the keyword sadduccee.
the many always matter more than the few.

And evil cannot control anyone. What we call evil is a value judgement of a person's behavior not some outside force.

It takes only a few to destroy everything. Therefore the few matter always more than the many.

For example one drop of a little snake poison can kill a 300 pound welfare bully. That is the power of the few.

And evil controls people. It is immaterial whether it controls them through some value judgement or belief or addiction or through whatever. Evil would not be evil if it didn't control people. Why are you pretending?

Evil does not exist outside of the human reference frame.

Evil follows human groups from generation to generation with uninterrupted and unchanged programming that is even often tailored onto that group. So evil does exist outside human reference and looks like pre dates the physical world.
no it doesnt.

Evil is not an entity it is an adjective we use to describe particularly reprehensible behavior

That is only your theory without mathematical or physical basis.
 
Tell us why God had to flood his entire creation and wipe it out just to kill a few hundred million assholes ?

And even that was only a partial success because the bloodline of the devil through Cain intermarriage with the descendents of Seth and contaminated the ancestry of Noah.
 
First global victory of the devil was the proud separation of church and state.

The second global victory of the devil is public schools.

Once you don't get the news that there is a Christ, or you reject Him, even if under peer pressure, your life will no longer be anything but running up a down escalator.

What better way to implement universal slavery than making you believe that it is your government that is God. Jesus rejected this in the desert.

But Stalin of the Soviet Union said that "the antichrists are the real enemies of socialism and we believe that we have to fight a real struggle against real enemies".
God made the devil and god is perfect and incapable of making mistakes

On which verses do you base this argument? If all of the above is correct at all times, then it is only your free will that causes the problems.

And that leads to the paradox that your free will does not come from God. The further away you are from God, the bigger problem free will is. You may propose that the devil is a result of your free will. But then God created the devil only in the sense as God created Mona Lisa when Michelangeo painted it.

Alternatively, the perfection of God is a function of the distance away from God. You have to compensate for that distance with your free will. Since public schools invert the free will and give it to the devil, you are not compensating for the distance but making it worse.

God created Lucifer then cast him down. God is a perfect all powerful being who could have snapped his fingers and wiped Lucifer from the universe but he didn't did he?

He intentionally left Lucifer alive because he likes to torment his creations.

This may be true and leads quickly to a version of the neo Cathar movement.

And also it leads back to the original question of all religions, why is there suffering and how do we stop it.

If God cast the devil down then it means God put a distance between Himself and the devil. And indeed, the longer the distance between God and a sybject, the lesser is God's grace and the greater is suffering. The devil is the fastest point away from God . The devil is infinitely evil and replaces infinite grace with infinite suffering. Furthemore, as the grace of God is a force of attraction the closer you get to god, also the evil of the devil is a force of attraction the closer you get to that, like a black hole that swallows up light.
Buddhists know that suffering is part of life.

and the devil cannot be infinite if he is a creation of a god that is supposed to be infinite.

Good and evil are human constructs and do not exist beyond the that

We don't know if good and evil exist beyond humanity or not, but there are signs that suggest that they do.

In either case, evil makes us suffer. Suffering may be a part of life, but what secular non religious education brings about is not simply suffering but a slew of many people who invent and inflict suffering on others, because they don't believe in a higher power or because they think evil is fun. Both beliefs are constructs of the devil, derivative of secularism.

And are you saying that the Buddhists believe that the soul is not infinite?

right and wrong, good and evil are human constructs.

and as I said suffering is part of life.

no magic being is going to change that. and lots of people don't believe in a higher power and they do not do anything to inflict suffering on anyone.
Lots of people may be. But it is not the lots of people that matter. What matters is the few that do. That is why every church has it in the mass to mention all powers visible and invisible.

Not to believe in the invisible powers is the gateway that the devil always arranges and ensures for himself. After that, all that is evil will control you through it. Suddenly something tells me that you know all of this ... So your purpose of denying the invisible is described under the keyword sadduccee.
the many always matter more than the few.

And evil cannot control anyone. What we call evil is a value judgement of a person's behavior not some outside force.

It takes only a few to destroy everything. Therefore the few matter always more than the many.

For example one drop of a little snake poison can kill a 300 pound welfare bully. That is the power of the few.

And evil controls people. It is immaterial whether it controls them through some value judgement or belief or addiction or through whatever. Evil would not be evil if it didn't control people. Why are you pretending?

Evil does not exist outside of the human reference frame.

Evil follows human groups from generation to generation with uninterrupted and unchanged programming that is even often tailored onto that group. So evil does exist outside human reference and looks like pre dates the physical world.
no it doesnt.

Evil is not an entity it is an adjective we use to describe particularly reprehensible behavior

That is only your theory without mathematical or physical basis.

so then let's see your mathematical proof that evil is some invisible entity that takes over the minds and bodies of humans
 
Tell us why God had to flood his entire creation and wipe it out just to kill a few hundred million assholes ?
The whole “god is love, god is mercy” thing tends to be confounded by a really angry, vindictive god.
 
First global victory of the devil was the proud separation of church and state.

The second global victory of the devil is public schools.

Once you don't get the news that there is a Christ, or you reject Him, even if under peer pressure, your life will no longer be anything but running up a down escalator.

What better way to implement universal slavery than making you believe that it is your government that is God. Jesus rejected this in the desert.

But Stalin of the Soviet Union said that "the antichrists are the real enemies of socialism and we believe that we have to fight a real struggle against real enemies".
God made the devil and god is perfect and incapable of making mistakes

On which verses do you base this argument? If all of the above is correct at all times, then it is only your free will that causes the problems.

And that leads to the paradox that your free will does not come from God. The further away you are from God, the bigger problem free will is. You may propose that the devil is a result of your free will. But then God created the devil only in the sense as God created Mona Lisa when Michelangeo painted it.

Alternatively, the perfection of God is a function of the distance away from God. You have to compensate for that distance with your free will. Since public schools invert the free will and give it to the devil, you are not compensating for the distance but making it worse.

God created Lucifer then cast him down. God is a perfect all powerful being who could have snapped his fingers and wiped Lucifer from the universe but he didn't did he?

He intentionally left Lucifer alive because he likes to torment his creations.

This may be true and leads quickly to a version of the neo Cathar movement.

And also it leads back to the original question of all religions, why is there suffering and how do we stop it.

If God cast the devil down then it means God put a distance between Himself and the devil. And indeed, the longer the distance between God and a sybject, the lesser is God's grace and the greater is suffering. The devil is the fastest point away from God . The devil is infinitely evil and replaces infinite grace with infinite suffering. Furthemore, as the grace of God is a force of attraction the closer you get to god, also the evil of the devil is a force of attraction the closer you get to that, like a black hole that swallows up light.
Buddhists know that suffering is part of life.

and the devil cannot be infinite if he is a creation of a god that is supposed to be infinite.

Good and evil are human constructs and do not exist beyond the that

We don't know if good and evil exist beyond humanity or not, but there are signs that suggest that they do.

In either case, evil makes us suffer. Suffering may be a part of life, but what secular non religious education brings about is not simply suffering but a slew of many people who invent and inflict suffering on others, because they don't believe in a higher power or because they think evil is fun. Both beliefs are constructs of the devil, derivative of secularism.

And are you saying that the Buddhists believe that the soul is not infinite?

right and wrong, good and evil are human constructs.

and as I said suffering is part of life.

no magic being is going to change that. and lots of people don't believe in a higher power and they do not do anything to inflict suffering on anyone.
Lots of people may be. But it is not the lots of people that matter. What matters is the few that do. That is why every church has it in the mass to mention all powers visible and invisible.

Not to believe in the invisible powers is the gateway that the devil always arranges and ensures for himself. After that, all that is evil will control you through it. Suddenly something tells me that you know all of this ... So your purpose of denying the invisible is described under the keyword sadduccee.
the many always matter more than the few.

And evil cannot control anyone. What we call evil is a value judgement of a person's behavior not some outside force.

It takes only a few to destroy everything. Therefore the few matter always more than the many.

For example one drop of a little snake poison can kill a 300 pound welfare bully. That is the power of the few.

And evil controls people. It is immaterial whether it controls them through some value judgement or belief or addiction or through whatever. Evil would not be evil if it didn't control people. Why are you pretending?

Evil does not exist outside of the human reference frame.

Evil follows human groups from generation to generation with uninterrupted and unchanged programming that is even often tailored onto that group. So evil does exist outside human reference and looks like pre dates the physical world.
no it doesnt.

Evil is not an entity it is an adjective we use to describe particularly reprehensible behavior

That is only your theory without mathematical or physical basis.

so then let's see your mathematical proof that evil is some invisible entity that takes over the minds and bodies of humans

First of all what proof is, is debunked by Jesus Himself in His cinversation with Pontius Pilot.

For example you said that in those times people believed that earth was flat. But even in modern differentual calculus we divide curvature to infinitesimal flat pieces to calculate those curvature. Or in non euclidian geometry you can choose a spherical reference space in which the earth is then flat.

In short, Jesus points out, that all arguments anywhere anytime that are based on evidence are never based on evidence but they are based on authority. All arguments are based on the authority that bids for those evidences. This is one of the major points of Jesus in His discussion with Pontius Pilot.

So to look at your argument more scientifically, the question that we need to ask is not what evidence you can find or manufacture, but what authority.

And the authority in your point seems to come not from God.
 
Tell us why God had to flood his entire creation and wipe it out just to kill a few hundred million assholes ?
The whole “god is love, god is mercy” thing tends to be confounded by a really angry, vindictive god.

The emotional scales of God is as per how you are capable to perceive God. God has the full scale from the lowest shame as in Afam and Eve all the way up to the highest love as in the Blessed Virgin Mary and Christ.

You can look at it like the Doppler effect when you are listening to a motorcycle passing by on the road. When the motorcycle is far away then it sounds high pitched. When it passes in front of you, it has a different pitch. In space this in also observed and is called the red shift of stars. The same is going on with our emotions for God.
 
First global victory of the devil was the proud separation of church and state.

The second global victory of the devil is public schools.

Once you don't get the news that there is a Christ, or you reject Him, even if under peer pressure, your life will no longer be anything but running up a down escalator.

What better way to implement universal slavery than making you believe that it is your government that is God. Jesus rejected this in the desert.

But Stalin of the Soviet Union said that "the antichrists are the real enemies of socialism and we believe that we have to fight a real struggle against real enemies".
God made the devil and god is perfect and incapable of making mistakes

On which verses do you base this argument? If all of the above is correct at all times, then it is only your free will that causes the problems.

And that leads to the paradox that your free will does not come from God. The further away you are from God, the bigger problem free will is. You may propose that the devil is a result of your free will. But then God created the devil only in the sense as God created Mona Lisa when Michelangeo painted it.

Alternatively, the perfection of God is a function of the distance away from God. You have to compensate for that distance with your free will. Since public schools invert the free will and give it to the devil, you are not compensating for the distance but making it worse.

God created Lucifer then cast him down. God is a perfect all powerful being who could have snapped his fingers and wiped Lucifer from the universe but he didn't did he?

He intentionally left Lucifer alive because he likes to torment his creations.

This may be true and leads quickly to a version of the neo Cathar movement.

And also it leads back to the original question of all religions, why is there suffering and how do we stop it.

If God cast the devil down then it means God put a distance between Himself and the devil. And indeed, the longer the distance between God and a sybject, the lesser is God's grace and the greater is suffering. The devil is the fastest point away from God . The devil is infinitely evil and replaces infinite grace with infinite suffering. Furthemore, as the grace of God is a force of attraction the closer you get to god, also the evil of the devil is a force of attraction the closer you get to that, like a black hole that swallows up light.
Buddhists know that suffering is part of life.

and the devil cannot be infinite if he is a creation of a god that is supposed to be infinite.

Good and evil are human constructs and do not exist beyond the that

We don't know if good and evil exist beyond humanity or not, but there are signs that suggest that they do.

In either case, evil makes us suffer. Suffering may be a part of life, but what secular non religious education brings about is not simply suffering but a slew of many people who invent and inflict suffering on others, because they don't believe in a higher power or because they think evil is fun. Both beliefs are constructs of the devil, derivative of secularism.

And are you saying that the Buddhists believe that the soul is not infinite?

right and wrong, good and evil are human constructs.

and as I said suffering is part of life.

no magic being is going to change that. and lots of people don't believe in a higher power and they do not do anything to inflict suffering on anyone.
Lots of people may be. But it is not the lots of people that matter. What matters is the few that do. That is why every church has it in the mass to mention all powers visible and invisible.

Not to believe in the invisible powers is the gateway that the devil always arranges and ensures for himself. After that, all that is evil will control you through it. Suddenly something tells me that you know all of this ... So your purpose of denying the invisible is described under the keyword sadduccee.
the many always matter more than the few.

And evil cannot control anyone. What we call evil is a value judgement of a person's behavior not some outside force.

It takes only a few to destroy everything. Therefore the few matter always more than the many.

For example one drop of a little snake poison can kill a 300 pound welfare bully. That is the power of the few.

And evil controls people. It is immaterial whether it controls them through some value judgement or belief or addiction or through whatever. Evil would not be evil if it didn't control people. Why are you pretending?

Evil does not exist outside of the human reference frame.

Evil follows human groups from generation to generation with uninterrupted and unchanged programming that is even often tailored onto that group. So evil does exist outside human reference and looks like pre dates the physical world.
no it doesnt.

Evil is not an entity it is an adjective we use to describe particularly reprehensible behavior

That is only your theory without mathematical or physical basis.

so then let's see your mathematical proof that evil is some invisible entity that takes over the minds and bodies of humans

First of all what proof is, is debunked by Jesus Himself in His cinversation with Pontius Pilot.

For example you said that in those times people believed that earth was flat. But even in modern differentual calculus we divide curvature to infinitesimal flat pieces to calculate those curvature. Or in non euclidian geometry you can choose a spherical reference space in which the earth is then flat.

In short, Jesus points out, that all arguments anywhere anytime that are based on evidence are never based on evidence but they are based on authority. All arguments are based on the authority that bids for those evidences. This is one of the major points of Jesus in His discussion with Pontius Pilot.

So to look at your argument more scientifically, the question that we need to ask is not what evidence you can find or manufacture, but what authority.

And the authority in your point seems to come not from God.
so you ask me for a mathematical proof that evil is not an entity then you refuse to provide a mathematical proof that it is.

I do not recognize any god as an authority.

So when you can provide scientific evidence that what you call evil is actually some intelligent invisible entity that takes control of the minds and bodies of people get back to me
 
First global victory of the devil was the proud separation of church and state.

The second global victory of the devil is public schools.

Once you don't get the news that there is a Christ, or you reject Him, even if under peer pressure, your life will no longer be anything but running up a down escalator.

What better way to implement universal slavery than making you believe that it is your government that is God. Jesus rejected this in the desert.

But Stalin of the Soviet Union said that "the antichrists are the real enemies of socialism and we believe that we have to fight a real struggle against real enemies".
God made the devil and god is perfect and incapable of making mistakes

On which verses do you base this argument? If all of the above is correct at all times, then it is only your free will that causes the problems.

And that leads to the paradox that your free will does not come from God. The further away you are from God, the bigger problem free will is. You may propose that the devil is a result of your free will. But then God created the devil only in the sense as God created Mona Lisa when Michelangeo painted it.

Alternatively, the perfection of God is a function of the distance away from God. You have to compensate for that distance with your free will. Since public schools invert the free will and give it to the devil, you are not compensating for the distance but making it worse.

God created Lucifer then cast him down. God is a perfect all powerful being who could have snapped his fingers and wiped Lucifer from the universe but he didn't did he?

He intentionally left Lucifer alive because he likes to torment his creations.

This may be true and leads quickly to a version of the neo Cathar movement.

And also it leads back to the original question of all religions, why is there suffering and how do we stop it.

If God cast the devil down then it means God put a distance between Himself and the devil. And indeed, the longer the distance between God and a sybject, the lesser is God's grace and the greater is suffering. The devil is the fastest point away from God . The devil is infinitely evil and replaces infinite grace with infinite suffering. Furthemore, as the grace of God is a force of attraction the closer you get to god, also the evil of the devil is a force of attraction the closer you get to that, like a black hole that swallows up light.
Buddhists know that suffering is part of life.

and the devil cannot be infinite if he is a creation of a god that is supposed to be infinite.

Good and evil are human constructs and do not exist beyond the that

We don't know if good and evil exist beyond humanity or not, but there are signs that suggest that they do.

In either case, evil makes us suffer. Suffering may be a part of life, but what secular non religious education brings about is not simply suffering but a slew of many people who invent and inflict suffering on others, because they don't believe in a higher power or because they think evil is fun. Both beliefs are constructs of the devil, derivative of secularism.

And are you saying that the Buddhists believe that the soul is not infinite?

right and wrong, good and evil are human constructs.

and as I said suffering is part of life.

no magic being is going to change that. and lots of people don't believe in a higher power and they do not do anything to inflict suffering on anyone.
Lots of people may be. But it is not the lots of people that matter. What matters is the few that do. That is why every church has it in the mass to mention all powers visible and invisible.

Not to believe in the invisible powers is the gateway that the devil always arranges and ensures for himself. After that, all that is evil will control you through it. Suddenly something tells me that you know all of this ... So your purpose of denying the invisible is described under the keyword sadduccee.
the many always matter more than the few.

And evil cannot control anyone. What we call evil is a value judgement of a person's behavior not some outside force.

It takes only a few to destroy everything. Therefore the few matter always more than the many.

For example one drop of a little snake poison can kill a 300 pound welfare bully. That is the power of the few.

And evil controls people. It is immaterial whether it controls them through some value judgement or belief or addiction or through whatever. Evil would not be evil if it didn't control people. Why are you pretending?

Evil does not exist outside of the human reference frame.

Evil follows human groups from generation to generation with uninterrupted and unchanged programming that is even often tailored onto that group. So evil does exist outside human reference and looks like pre dates the physical world.
no it doesnt.

Evil is not an entity it is an adjective we use to describe particularly reprehensible behavior

That is only your theory without mathematical or physical basis.

so then let's see your mathematical proof that evil is some invisible entity that takes over the minds and bodies of humans

First of all what proof is, is debunked by Jesus Himself in His cinversation with Pontius Pilot.

For example you said that in those times people believed that earth was flat. But even in modern differentual calculus we divide curvature to infinitesimal flat pieces to calculate those curvature. Or in non euclidian geometry you can choose a spherical reference space in which the earth is then flat.

In short, Jesus points out, that all arguments anywhere anytime that are based on evidence are never based on evidence but they are based on authority. All arguments are based on the authority that bids for those evidences. This is one of the major points of Jesus in His discussion with Pontius Pilot.

So to look at your argument more scientifically, the question that we need to ask is not what evidence you can find or manufacture, but what authority.

And the authority in your point seems to come not from God.
so you ask me for a mathematical proof that evil is not an entity then you refuse to provide a mathematical proof that it is.

I do not recognize any god as an authority.

So when you can provide scientific evidence that what you call evil is actually some intelligent invisible entity that takes control of the minds and bodies of people get back to me

And this post demonstrates how the devil is having his shooting fish in the barrel entertainment on us.
 

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