Religions will End.

[JohnA]

When man finally figures out he is God, then religion will end. So how will he know? I think technology is opening new doors, intelligence is advancing, and man will learn to control his mind and make it work for him. You never hear much about it, but while I was studying at a University a professor in paranormal studies approached me, and discussed a society that conducts studys of mind control, and asked if I wanted to join into that group to send messages directly to targeted individuals, much like a telephone call. I was buried in other studies so passed it up. But it is something ongoing I assume.

When we get several of the powers down of the mind, making life everlasting, then I think religion will disban. Much of religion is pretty much debunked anyway.

Your thoughts.

"religions will end"

I use to think/hope/believe that the import of religion would diminish....

that the majority of humans would just discard it/outgrow it....

the way we outgrow santy claus and the easter bunny

but now I'm not so sure....

it appears as though less intelligent humans are out-breeding the more intelligent ones

and the less intelligent will always NEED to believe in (fear) some kind of god and religion

many of them also seem to need to ELIMINATE/ERADICATE all opposition to their beliefs...

It would be nice if humans evolved/grew/matured to a point where religion was just considered a quaint tradition from our past...

but I don't see that happening in the near future

Its brain washed into them from birth MOST folks who believe are bought up by parents in that belief .
the christians here if they had been born in a moslim or hindu/ jewish country would be posting about how that religion was the true one and all others meaningless /false .

remember the ancient romans and other civililisations believed with all of there heart that there god was real
we all know better now .
and yes the days will come when christianity is viewed as the fantasy it is

problem is as history has shown us christianity like all other religions will be replaced eventually by another belief just as controlling .

so yes religions will be part of human life for as long as we are around .
christianity has only been around for 2000 years
its reached its peak already

 

[HUGGY]

You can't debate a subject. A subject has no point of view. You debate people.

Fine..I will take that as a "No..HUGGY...I choose to stay and continue presenting the case on behalf of those that believe in a supreme being."

Fine. But again I remind you that there are many millions of "YOU" and only a handful of those that think like I do and fewer still with my GOD-LIKE patience.

At some point in time I must break off this fascinating exchange and offer my debate to a slightly different take on the subject matter.

 

[AllieBaba]

Okie Dokey Huggychokie...

 

[JohnA]

Good grief, you really are nuts.

How you can state that there is no God, and at the same time I'm a slave to God and have no freewill is a pretty interesting work in contradiction, I must say.

Personally, I think you are under the control of Satan. I think God would give you the power to overthrow that yoke, but I doubt if you'll do that. You're a slave to your fear of admitting somebody else is in control.

So I guess everybody, at the end of the day, has to concede a little free will. I willingly give my life over to God. That's the essence of free will, and that's the reason we have it. You are unable to do that. Tell me, really, which one is more "free"...the person who makes a choice, or the person who can't even see that there is a choice?

your fucked up again you stupid half wit
my free will is to CHOOSE not to believe in a magic man in the sky


thats free will the ability to think things out for myself and make a choice
not to be persuaded by some religious freak like you that i am wrong and you are right . expecially as you dont bring any prove to your claim that there is a god
logically if there is no prove of the existance of a deity then is reasonable to belief there isnt one .

do you believe in ghosts /if not why not ?

my believes are my choice made with my free will .

are yours what you really believe or are you so indoctrined that you cant make a informed choice
have you every questioned your beliefs ??
if not why not thats free will isnt it

 

[AllieBaba]

How can it be a choice if you don't acknowledge his existence?

That's the same sort of fucked-up shit I'm getting thrown. "If you choose God, then you have no freewill". "If you pray for people, you're trying to control them" "If you believe in God, you can't believe in defending yourself or your country"...

REALLY? Lol.

 

[HUGGY]

How can it be a choice if you don't acknowledge his existence?

That's the same sort of fucked-up shit I'm getting thrown. "If you choose God, then you have no freewill". "If you pray for people, you're trying to control them" "If you believe in God, you can't believe in defending yourself or your country"...

REALLY? Lol.

I think there is room to assume that you may very well freely choose to give yourself totally to what you believe is God. But at that point it(your free will) would have to be your perceived interpretation of Gods will... not yours. Maybe you could differentiate between your will and what you perceive is Gods will, but asking an observer to follow you that closely would be difficult and unreasonable. Most would rightfully give up on the task and just label you batshit crazy and unnecessarily hard to understand. Free will or not.

 

[AllieBaba]

Kinda like I gave up on that little nugget?

 

[HUGGY]

Kinda like I gave up on that little nugget?

Would it be easier if I stopped at an appropriate spot and labeled my dialogue as "an example" and not something directed at you personally?

From my point of view as "an example" someone that claims they are just living out Gods will is only attempting to display what they perceive they would be doing if there was a God, and that God was in control of their life. It is an astounding conception that anyone could know the powers they attribute to this all knowing being and how this supposedly all knowing being would direct them. Wouldn't this be somewhat comparable to the dummy speaking through the ventriloquist?

 

[psikeyhackr]

STUPIDITY WILL END!

The Internet will banish it.

Yeah Right! Tell me another one.

psik

 

[AllieBaba]

Kinda like I gave up on that little nugget?

Would it be easier if I stopped at an appropriate spot and labeled my dialogue as "an example" and not something directed at you personally?

From my point of view as "an example" someone that claims they are just living out Gods will is only attempting to display what they perceive they would be doing if there was a God, and that God was in control of their life. It is an astounding conception that anyone could know the powers they attribute to this all knowing being and how this supposedly all knowing being would direct them. Wouldn't this be somewhat comparable to the dummy speaking through the ventriloquist?

The thing is, though God holds the plan, we still are in control of our lives. That's what non-believers don't get. While we accept that we have an all-powerful God, and that all things that happen belong to that plan, at the same time we believe that we DO have control, we must STILL accept the responsibility of making the right choices. God doesn't decide things for us..he just knows what we will decide, and it's a part of his plan.

It's because he's omnipotent. He created the world, he created time, he created past, present and future and have a comprehensive view and understanding of the whole thing.

Our role is to do our best to make the right decisions, pray and offer up our thanks.

 

[AllieBaba]

And if you think that Christians don't have to make decisions themselves, have no freewill, and are open to all the answers, you're very, very wrong.

 

[HUGGY]

Kinda like I gave up on that little nugget?

Would it be easier if I stopped at an appropriate spot and labeled my dialogue as "an example" and not something directed at you personally?

From my point of view as "an example" someone that claims they are just living out Gods will is only attempting to display what they perceive they would be doing if there was a God, and that God was in control of their life. It is an astounding conception that anyone could know the powers they attribute to this all knowing being and how this supposedly all knowing being would direct them. Wouldn't this be somewhat comparable to the dummy speaking through the ventriloquist?

The thing is, though God holds the plan, we still are in control of our lives. That's what non-believers don't get. While we accept that we have an all-powerful God, and that all things that happen belong to that plan, at the same time we believe that we DO have control, we must STILL accept the responsibility of making the right choices. God doesn't decide things for us..he just knows what we will decide, and it's a part of his plan.

It's because he's omnipotent. He created the world, he created time, he created past, present and future and have a comprehensive view and understanding of the whole thing.

Our role is to do our best to make the right decisions, pray and offer up our thanks.

HMMMmm...???? God holds THE plan. As I sit here looking out the window this morning watching it rain cats and dogs it is obvious that there are TRILLIONS of raindrops falling every second in my immediate vicinity. There are thousands of cars going up and down North Aurora Street in the commuting traffic and a few of them will be leaking a few drops of oil onto the pavement forming random oily water puddles. At some point in the morning a driver will spill their hot coffee on their lap and get distracted..they will miss seeing the change of light from green to yellow and on to red. When that driver does apply the brakes it will be too late and the resulting collision will be fatal to one of the drivers. For this to occur "according to plan" God would have to be in control of every single rain drop...the dripping oil... the hot coffee ....the slippery puddle of water. You can see where I am going here.

What "The Plan" suggests to me is that there seems to be a tendency to ascribe more value to our situation and any conceivable ability or concern on a supreme beings part than is even remotely possible to support with facts..or even the imagination.

P S : Interestingly enough at 9:45 AM Pacific time(5 minutes ago) there was a report of a serious injury accident at Nortth 130 th and Stone Way North. That location is about 7 blocks from here. So I must be God having predicted this occurrence about half an hour ago.. .. Seriously...I hope no one was killed.

 

[JohnA]

Kinda like I gave up on that little nugget?

Would it be easier if I stopped at an appropriate spot and labeled my dialogue as "an example" and not something directed at you personally?

From my point of view as "an example" someone that claims they are just living out Gods will is only attempting to display what they perceive they would be doing if there was a God, and that God was in control of their life. It is an astounding conception that anyone could know the powers they attribute to this all knowing being and how this supposedly all knowing being would direct them. Wouldn't this be somewhat comparable to the dummy speaking through the ventriloquist?

The thing is, though God holds the plan, we still are in control of our lives. That's what non-believers don't get. While we accept that we have an all-powerful God, and that all things that happen belong to that plan, at the same time we believe that we DO have control, we must STILL accept the responsibility of making the right choices. God doesn't decide things for us..he just knows what we will decide, and it's a part of his plan.

It's because he's omnipotent. He created the world, he created time, he created past, present and future and have a comprehensive view and understanding of the whole thing.

Our role is to do our best to make the right decisions, pray and offer up our thanks.

so he created the world so it follows he created ALL THINGS IN IT.
and our responsibilty is to make the right choices correct ??
so millions choose to
have cancer
be blind
be paralized
etc etc

and they should pray to him and thank him for that right ?
you should have quit while you were ahead .

your insanity has no ending

 

[logical4u]

I have a question regarding free will. It is obvious that a person Like Alli has no identifiable free will remaining. Perhaps there was once a time in her life that she made personal rational choices but now every choice is 100% in relation to and agreement with god or jesus or the scriptures. So...why is it that these people blather on about free will? If one cannot follow any thread of logic or direction in their life without referring to their obligation to their religion how can they claim free will. Claiming god gave you a free will is not the same as you claiming it for yourself. You claim free will for yourself. It is not handed down to you as some gift or a permission. Claiming god gives you free will is an oxymoron. That's like saying our founding fathers established a free country as long as the King of England and his god agreed it is so. Our founding fathers said this new country America is free...They declared mother fuck what the King of England or anyone else or their god thinks about that. That was free will.

I read something recently that said "free will" was a translation that could have been translated better as "the ability to reason".

Those that are atheist or agnostic claim that people should decide to do better for the sake of doing good for fellow man.
Those that believe in the Lord think that He was Joy and Love itself. By following His example and trying to live according to the guidelines listed in the Bible, we "reason" that a small part of that "joy" and "love" can be ours. We try to follow the example set by Yeshua, who we deeply respect. Why is that so threatening to you? If anyone that doesn't believe in the Lord follows the teachings of an ancient philosopher, do you have the same problem? Why does Yeshua threaten you so? Those that believe are not trying to intimidate you physically, or intellectually. We are not forcing you to live according to the rules that we try to follow. We work to improve ourselves, our families, our communities, and so on. We pay our taxes. We are "less" likely to be involved in serious crimes. Christians make great citizens (unless they are required to bow to a false god, that rulers used to declare themselves).

If you don't believe and think we are silly, why not leave us to what you consider "delusions"? Why are you truly afraid?

 

[logical4u]

When man finally figures out he is God, then religion will end. So how will he know? I think technology is opening new doors, intelligence is advancing, and man will learn to control his mind and make it work for him. You never hear much about it, but while I was studying at a University a professor in paranormal studies approached me, and discussed a society that conducts studys of mind control, and asked if I wanted to join into that group to send messages directly to targeted individuals, much like a telephone call. I was buried in other studies so passed it up. But it is something ongoing I assume.

When we get several of the powers down of the mind, making life everlasting, then I think religion will disban. Much of religion is pretty much debunked anyway.

Your thoughts.

"religions will end"

I use to think/hope/believe that the import of religion would diminish....

that the majority of humans would just discard it/outgrow it....

the way we outgrow santy claus and the easter bunny

but now I'm not so sure....

it appears as though less intelligent humans are out-breeding the more intelligent ones

and the less intelligent will always NEED to believe in (fear) some kind of god and religion

many of them also seem to need to ELIMINATE/ERADICATE all opposition to their beliefs...

It would be nice if humans evolved/grew/matured to a point where religion was just considered a quaint tradition from our past...

but I don't see that happening in the near future

Its brain washed into them from birth MOST folks who believe are bought up by parents in that belief .
the christians here if they had been born in a moslim or hindu/ jewish country would be posting about how that religion was the true one and all others meaningless /false .

remember the ancient romans and other civililisations believed with all of there heart that there god was real
we all know better now .
and yes the days will come when christianity is viewed as the fantasy it is

problem is as history has shown us christianity like all other religions will be replaced eventually by another belief just as controlling .

so yes religions will be part of human life for as long as we are around .
christianity has only been around for 2000 years
its reached its peak already

What other religion was murdered by the thousands for not denying their beliefs? Wouldn't it be "easier" to say "Chist is not my Savior"? Yet thousands and thousands chose to be tortured and murdered (many of those actually listened to or knew the Savior) rather than say that. Can you show me one other religion where that happened, in numbers anywhere close?

 

[Mad Scientist]

When man finally figures out he is God, then religion will end.

Ah, so this is where all that Liberal arrogance comes from huh? You guys think you're God!

Tell me ShitNao, what would a Psychiatrist say about a patient who thinks's he is God?

 

[AllieBaba]

Shintao thinks he's getting a new head to put his brain in. He can't be bothered with such trivial matters.

 

[signelect]

I completely believe that religion will end, in fact God told us it would, the question is where will you be when it happens cause if you don't believe and we are right it is going to get ugly. If you think this all happened by some accident in the back seat of the Ford then best of luck.

 

[Mad Scientist]

I completely believe that religion will end, in fact God told us it would, the question is where will you be when it happens cause if you don't believe and we are right it is going to get ugly. If you think this all happened by some accident in the back seat of the Ford then best of luck.

That's right! If the religion haters are right then after I die my body will just lay in a grave and that's it.

But if God does sexist then the religion haters are gonna' have some splainin' to do!

 

[HUGGY]

I have a question regarding free will. It is obvious that a person Like Alli has no identifiable free will remaining. Perhaps there was once a time in her life that she made personal rational choices but now every choice is 100% in relation to and agreement with god or jesus or the scriptures. So...why is it that these people blather on about free will? If one cannot follow any thread of logic or direction in their life without referring to their obligation to their religion how can they claim free will. Claiming god gave you a free will is not the same as you claiming it for yourself. You claim free will for yourself. It is not handed down to you as some gift or a permission. Claiming god gives you free will is an oxymoron. That's like saying our founding fathers established a free country as long as the King of England and his god agreed it is so. Our founding fathers said this new country America is free...They declared mother fuck what the King of England or anyone else or their god thinks about that. That was free will.

I read something recently that said "free will" was a translation that could have been translated better as "the ability to reason".

Those that are atheist or agnostic claim that people should decide to do better for the sake of doing good for fellow man.
Those that believe in the Lord think that He was Joy and Love itself. By following His example and trying to live according to the guidelines listed in the Bible, we "reason" that a small part of that "joy" and "love" can be ours. We try to follow the example set by Yeshua, who we deeply respect. Why is that so threatening to you? If anyone that doesn't believe in the Lord follows the teachings of an ancient philosopher, do you have the same problem? Why does Yeshua threaten you so? Those that believe are not trying to intimidate you physically, or intellectually. We are not forcing you to live according to the rules that we try to follow. We work to improve ourselves, our families, our communities, and so on. We pay our taxes. We are "less" likely to be involved in serious crimes. Christians make great citizens (unless they are required to bow to a false god, that rulers used to declare themselves).

If you don't believe and think we are silly, why not leave us to what you consider "delusions"? Why are you truly afraid?

You are confused. This is a public forum. This is not your e-mail box or your PM. If it was my purpose to attack you on a personal level I would send you something meant just for you. There are far more non member viewers on this MB at any given moment than contributing members. That is my audience. I will not convince anyone here that already thinks your dogma is crap to believe it is more crappy than they already believed. I surely have no hope of convincing minds that are as thoroughly brainwashed such as yours.

Many people are honestly and rightfully confused from time to time about the big questions. I am here to offer support for those that might feel they can persevere through these moments of doubt in their own ability to make sense of it all. And if not..at least deal with the possibility that they might never know all of the answers. And THAT is OK. I am not selling glib answers to every question. I don't have a plastic smile on my face implying I have discovered some narcotic bliss.

As for your god...

I do not fear what does not exist. There are no monsters under my bed.