dmp
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jillian said:No, girlfriend, I said that "faith in a particular" religion has been used to hurt people. Though I agree it is how PEOPLE act in regard to faith that was the problem.
See bro - you want it both ways.
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jillian said:No, girlfriend, I said that "faith in a particular" religion has been used to hurt people. Though I agree it is how PEOPLE act in regard to faith that was the problem.
dmp said:See bro - you want it both ways.
jillian said:And I think, essentially, that comes from an unswerving belief that one's own belief system is divinely handed down and inerrant.
rtwngAvngr said:Of course, criticizing faith itself instead of the actual doctrines of various religions is the ONLY way to maintain one's moral relativistic outlook and paint christians as being the same as jihadis.
jillian said:Again, I don't criticize anyone's faith. I have faith myself. All I criticize is any group who thinks it can and should impose its beliefs on others. And the only manner in which I made any comparison is in the observation that they believe in the inerrant nature of their beliefs as vehemently as certain groups of Christians. Not criticizing either....just pointing out that is the case and they think they're as right as you do. Do you think they don't think their beliefs are correct? If they didn't, the jihadis wouldn't be willing to die for them.
jillian said:Again, I don't criticize anyone's faith. I have faith myself. All I criticize is any group who thinks it can and should impose its beliefs on others. And the only manner in which I made any comparison is in the observation that they believe in the inerrant nature of their beliefs as vehemently as certain groups of Christians.
larry_davis said:life isn't about serving "god", it's for serving mankind.
Dr Grump said:I believe people follow Christianity in the main
1) Because they were born into it
2) Or have suffered some huge upheaval in their life that only some other worldly experience can satiate their need to have an answer because common sense/logic cannot due to it being just that; common sense and logic.
jillian said:Again, I don't criticize anyone's faith. I have faith myself. <font color=red>All I criticize is any group who thinks it can and should impose its beliefs on others.</font> And the only manner in which I made any comparison is in the observation that they believe in the inerrant nature of their beliefs as vehemently as certain groups of Christians. Not criticizing either....just pointing out that is the case and they think they're as right as you do. Do you think they don't think their beliefs are correct? If they didn't, the jihadis wouldn't be willing to die for them.
Bullypulpit said:If God does not compell obedience, it is not man's place to do so.
larry_davis said:i don't know who or what god is, but if such a person or thing exsist, it obviously doesn't want us to know anything about it, otherwise we wouldn't be playing a guessing game. religion is dangerous to me, religious people often are convinced they know it all, yet have no answers, proof or can't solve anything. who's to say your god is real more than someone elses?
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Bullypulpit said:If God does not compell obedience, it is not man's place to do so.
manu1959 said:i agree...man should abolish all laws that compell obedience
Eightball said:Please state clearly in this great country(U.S.A.) of ours, where Christianity is imposed on American citizens.
Bullypulpit said:We're not there...yet. Hopefully, we never will be.
Eightball said:We're not there yet.......I almost sense a hopefulness in your answer........maybe salivating over GWB's demise.
Hey, maybe if these Christians will just pull some terrorist thing, then the Libs will get back Congress and the White House......Oops.....better not crack a smile......I need to look very serious and concerned about the direction the violent, religious right is going.
(Boy Oh Boy......GWB's days are numbered......com'on Bible thumpers........due something really bad .........please blow up something.........so I don't look like a biggot.)
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I'm telling you folks.......I still remember how all the libs were putting on their party hats when it looked like Kerry was going to beat GWB.........Even the unbiased...news commentators.....we're barely able to keep from jumping on their desks with party hats and blowing horns......
The next day.......they either wanted to leave for Canada or get Psychiatric help for their depression.
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Oh.....in their piousness, they say......oh, we wouldn't want our country to become the Third Reich.........I sure hope those bible Christians don't get stronger in their influence on our secular government........and culture.......oooh.....I'm afraid......Yeah......right!
They are just waiting to throw on their party hats when the first nut job claiming Jesus's direction, kills a bunch of innocent Americans........Oh, they'll look sad.....and they'll hold their tongue......and be all grieved.....but deep down they're thinking..........whoopee.......we got the Two Houses of the Fed........back.......guaranteed.......
It's all control and influence with them.......it has nothing to do with ethics and morals.........it's just........wanting to be in control............
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Whew! ..........I'm tired.
He was over the top, then again, this was moreso. Bully, beneath you. SeriouslyBullypulpit said:And from the looks of your screed, you probably sprained something.
larry_davis said:i don't know who or what god is, but if such a person or thing exsist, it obviously doesn't want us to know anything about it, otherwise we wouldn't be playing a guessing game. religion is dangerous to me, religious people often are convinced they know it all, yet have no answers, proof or can't solve anything. who's to say your god is real more than someone elses?
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Eightball said:I agree that "imposing" one's belief system onto another is where a line should be drawn.
Is going door to door and sharing a belief system, or handing out leaflets, or inviting someone to a church service really a serious offense?
How about tell a person that they will go to Hell if they don't believe in Jesus as their Saviour.
The worst I can see here is that this kind of activity will cause some possible irritation or bother to someone who isn't interested in their eternal destiny, but otherwise it's a pretty non-physical/non-threatening activity.
People have done some horrendous things in the name of Jesus/Christianity in the past, but their activities didn't agree one bit with Jesus' teachings.
Now, Islam on the other hand is actually following Mohammed's authored scripture of the Koran very succinctly. There is no "grace" in Islam. There is no forgiveness in Islam.
Did you know that Islam states 99 attributes for their god/Allah. In fact some Islamic tribes carry necklaces with 99 beads. Some African tribes say that there are actually 100 attributes of Allah, but number 100 is a secret, and only the camel knows number 100.
Guess what major attribute of Allah is missing, but is the benchmark of the Christian bible? LOVE! Love is missing in the Islamic attributes of Allah. Yes, Love.
Now, maybe it is more understandable, why human life is so worthless to many of these fanatics. Without love, in system of faith, where's the built-in conscience of mind? What is a soul to another soul? We're born and we die. Glory be to Allah. It is a belief system built upon fear of Allah, and legalistic works to attain "atta boys" before your Mullah, and Allah. Allah is a distant removed God, that only points fingers of disgust, and retribution.
It isn't a bit surprising that torturous laws rule in the Islamic world. There is no "grace" or unmeritted favor given out by Allah. Allah is hard and exacting on his followers. He only offers reprieve from worldly hardship and suffering with earthly-type sexual cookies for the most devoted in their heaven. Their women are not cherished, but owned, subsidized, and enslaved.
Yeah, Christianity gets bad raps a lot, and much is unjustified.
Just think if Christians in the U.S. were killing their wives for adultry, or disowning there children for leaving their faith, or just plain forcing death-or-believe dictums on all non-Christian Americans? Maybe the average American agnostic/atheist would finally see that there is a difference between belief systems, and not ignorantly generalize.
Avatar4321 said:Well I do know who God is and HE does want us to know about Him.
The problem is most people dont want to talk to Him to learn from Him, they would rather walk after their own ways. He isnt going to force you to get to know Him.