Rebublicans advocate massive budget cuts!

[SFC Ollie]

It's all paid for! In the US you get student loans, when you get out of school you must commence making payments. If unemployment your age group (16-25) is 28% you pay anyway. You can't pay so you file bankruptcy, but wait; you can't default on student loans! So you tell the judge "I'll find a way to pay" and you default again. You are indicted. You tell the judge "I really need to pay rent and eat ...I will pay" what else can you say. You default again, you are indicted again. At some time consider leaving the country or being a criminal in this country for trying to get an education.

Meanwhile Germany has a unemployment of 7% and US had 9.5% (18% U6)

I prefer our system where you are responsible for you. Millions of people make it through college and pay off their loans, Just because some screw it up.. Oh well. You are right though Germany does have a better unemployment than we do at the moment. They are still quite socialist. And their tax rates start 14% for people making over 8000 Euros. And goes up quickly. And that is just the Income tax, the Fed also collects a VAT tax on top of that. along with several others I forget.... I would bet they end up with 65% or better.

I was in LV this summer. I was hanging at the outside bar at the Cabos Wabos (it's like a two-story over look on the "LV Strip"). I was talking with a German BMW executive who said he paid 43% tax. While looking out over the strip, seeing hookers, calling card vendors (for hooker and strippers), street beggars, losers, qusi street performers, abandoned old people and displaced mentally ill; I asked the guy (and his wife), where would you live if you had your choice of anywhere in the world? Answer - Germany. This couple has traveled all over the world. He said that he has never see such a spectacle as the LV strip. He went on to say (in a round about way) that Americans don't have principles in taking care of their own. I had to agree!

I guess you should pack your bags and join him there then...

 

[rightwinger]

I prefer our system where you are responsible for you. Millions of people make it through college and pay off their loans, Just because some screw it up.. Oh well. You are right though Germany does have a better unemployment than we do at the moment. They are still quite socialist. And their tax rates start 14% for people making over 8000 Euros. And goes up quickly. And that is just the Income tax, the Fed also collects a VAT tax on top of that. along with several others I forget.... I would bet they end up with 65% or better.

I was in LV this summer. I was hanging at the outside bar at the Cabos Wabos (it's like a two-story over look on the "LV Strip"). I was talking with a German BMW executive who said he paid 43% tax. While looking out over the strip, seeing hookers, calling card vendors (for hooker and strippers), street beggars, losers, qusi street performers, abandoned old people and displaced mentally ill; I asked the guy (and his wife), where would you live if you had your choice of anywhere in the world? Answer - Germany. This couple has traveled all over the world. He said that he has never see such a spectacle as the LV strip. He went on to say (in a round about way) that Americans don't have principles in taking care of their own. I had to agree!

I guess you should pack your bags and join him there then...

Judging America based on what he sees in Las Vegas?

He might as well judge us based on what he sees in Disneyland

 

[Ame®icano]

Nothing draconian about cutting money we don't have from programs we don't need.

It's a good start. It's not nearly enough though.

Let's start making the DoD budget much more efficient. There is no reason we can't cut a third from that budget and not keep the same security levels.

Eliminating the Dept of Energy and Homeland security would be good a good addition to the departments already mentioned.

And of course, they need to start hitting the deceptively named "mandatory" spending as there is nothing mandatory about it.

Dude, I don't want to shock your delusional balanced budget pipe dream, but... by 2013 (considering constant revenues and the Bush tax cut extension) the US will only be bring in enough revenues (taxes) to cover mandatory spending (SS, Medicare, pensions, debt interest, disability and VA). So that means if they were to cut ALL discretionary spending (military, EPA, ATF, Homeland Security, FBI, education, DOE, DOJ, etc.) they could then balance the budget.

Here is a novel idea: let's stop dropping bombs, waging wars, financing wars, spying, imprisoning (victimless crime), indicting, arresting, killing, harassing and exploiting. Let's take all that money, from those activities, and use it to invest in human capital. Once we've made that investment, people can work and pay more taxes. Once they pay more taxes we can work on the public debt problem. That is the way that smart countries do it.

Could you name a single country that is trying to reduce their deficit by spending more and has actually succeeded?

"we can't afford not to spend"

 

[signelect]

How about government employee, that number grew 16% in the last 2 years but unemployment also grew to almost 10%. We also need to stop fighting other countries wars, who said we are right all the time. We are till thinking that Iraq and Afghanistan are going to be democracies. Boy what are they smoking. We need to come home and let them fight it out and then if they do come over here, when we catch them kill them, give then a 2 day fair trial and let them so where ever they go when they die.

 

[Sail Away]

Could you name a single country that is trying to reduce their deficit by spending more and has actually succeeded?

I guess I missed your point (or you missed mine). I maintain, cutting military (14% of the annual budget), stop financing wars, stop spying (costs), stop harassing (costs), stop spying (costs), stop imprisoning (costs), stop fascism (costs), stop authoritarianism (costs).

Invest in your people! Invest in jobs (don't just talk about it). Invest in education. Invest in future potential taxpayers. Invest in human capital.

Remember, You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a cop than by a terrorist. It's time to take a risk with that terrorist that lives under your rug. Oh, that reminds me of another "stop"... Stop fear mongering!

Invest?

Yet another zombie repeating Marxist rhetoric.

Invest = stealing earnings from workers so you can control them.

It doesn't matter what they call it. It's still spending and the only way they can spend it is by ether borrowing it from China or steal it from us.

Unfortunately we need to deal in realism. I will go along with the stealing earnings bit. However, there is a detail that must be addressed; The US Government owes the rest of the world more than it's worth. That isn't going to go away no matter how much you and I hate taxes. Perhaps toy have a plan to resolve the $15 trillion in debt that has been accumulated. Care to share your plan?

 

[Sail Away]

I was in LV this summer. I was hanging at the outside bar at the Cabos Wabos (it's like a two-story over look on the "LV Strip"). I was talking with a German BMW executive who said he paid 43% tax. While looking out over the strip, seeing hookers, calling card vendors (for hooker and strippers), street beggars, losers, qusi street performers, abandoned old people and displaced mentally ill; I asked the guy (and his wife), where would you live if you had your choice of anywhere in the world? Answer - Germany. This couple has traveled all over the world. He said that he has never see such a spectacle as the LV strip. He went on to say (in a round about way) that Americans don't have principles in taking care of their own. I had to agree!

I guess you should pack your bags and join him there then...

Judging America based on what he sees in Las Vegas?

He might as well judge us based on what he sees in Disneyland

Very true! Regardless, you would have to agree that it is the American way to abandon its people. However, when China comes in and abandons the American way (economically speaking) we are all up in arms.

 

[Samson]

Republicans advocate massive spending cuts in discretionary spending.

Well, "discretionary" seems to be the operative word here.

From Merriam Webster:

Definition of DISCRETION
1: the quality of having or showing discernment or good judgment : the quality of being discreet : circumspection; especially
2: ability to make responsible decisions

It seems to me, with a $14 Trillion Deficite in Government spending, it may be about time to advocate massive spending cuts in DISCRETIONARY SPENDING

 

[Sail Away]

Republicans advocate massive spending cuts in discretionary spending. They intend to a initiate a massive $100 Billion (1/15 of the projected 2011 deficit) from the annual budget. These draconian cuts will occur in all Federal agencies EXCEPT for; military, security, policing, DOJ (prisons), in-house spying (3,984 federal, state and local organization), contractor spying (923 contract agencies), Homeland Security, ATF, DEA, National Guard and military funding to other nations.

IF the Republicans were to eliminate Dept. of Education and Health and Human Services they would come close to their $100 goal. Go Republicans! Go Congress! Go USA!

Just remember: You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a policeman than by a terrorist
Source: National Safety Council statistics

Here is a novel idea: let's stop dropping bombs, waging wars, financing wars, spying, imprisoning (victimless crime), indicting, arresting, killing, harassing and financially exploiting. Let's take all that money, from those activities, and use it to invest in US human capital. Once we've made that investment, more people can work and pay more taxes. Once they pay more taxes we can pay down public debt.

Is this really such a difficult idea for Americans to comprehend? The Chinese and Indians understand it very well. The don't even have aircraft carriers yet. But India educates 7 engineers for every 1 US engineer and Chiba educated 10 engineers for every 1 US engineer. Engineers are primary discipline for innovation, a major economic driver.

This concept is how smart countries manipulate their economies. This is the premise that Merkel (Germany) noted while walking out on Obama (at the Toronto G20), stating 'people will have confidence in their economy when the have confidence in their own government' (Obama was advocating the same old fear-mongering rhetoric)

It is difficult for me to grasp the collective ignorance of the general US population.

 

[Sail Away]

Republicans advocate massive spending cuts in discretionary spending.

Well, "discretionary" seems to be the operative word here.

From Merriam Webster:

Definition of DISCRETION
1: the quality of having or showing discernment or good judgment : the quality of being discreet : circumspection; especially
2: ability to make responsible decisions

It seems to me, with a $14 Trillion Deficite in Government spending, it may be about time to advocate massive spending cuts in DISCRETIONARY SPENDING

you get it!

 

[rightwinger]

I guess you should pack your bags and join him there then...

Judging America based on what he sees in Las Vegas?

He might as well judge us based on what he sees in Disneyland

Very true! Regardless, you would have to agree that it is the American way to abandon its people. However, when China comes in and abandons the American way (economically speaking) we are all up in arms.

I have trouble with the idea of abandon. There are people who fall through the cracks but there are also people on our streets who would be institutionalized, imprisoned or involuntarily committed in other countries. Other countries may hide these people away but that does not mean they do not exist.

 

[Flopper]

The Democrats are at $26B and the Republicans are $100B. There must be compromise. I say split the difference with no exclusions and get on with the business of governing. That's a 3.3% across the board cut. I have never seen a business or governmental body that couldn't absorb 3.3% cut.

 

[SFC Ollie]

The Democrats are at $26B and the Republicans are $100B. There must be compromise. I say split the difference with no exclusions and get on with the business of governing. That's a 3.3% across the board cut. I have never seen a business or governmental body that couldn't absorb 3.3% cut.

Even the 100 Billion will not solve the problem, it is only a start.

 

[mdn2000]

I was in LV this summer. I was hanging at the outside bar at the Cabos Wabos (it's like a two-story over look on the "LV Strip"). I was talking with a German BMW executive who said he paid 43% tax. While looking out over the strip, seeing hookers, calling card vendors (for hooker and strippers), street beggars, losers, qusi street performers, abandoned old people and displaced mentally ill; I asked the guy (and his wife), where would you live if you had your choice of anywhere in the world? Answer - Germany. This couple has traveled all over the world. He said that he has never see such a spectacle as the LV strip. He went on to say (in a round about way) that Americans don't have principles in taking care of their own. I had to agree!

I guess you should pack your bags and join him there then...

Judging America based on what he sees in Las Vegas?

He might as well judge us based on what he sees in Disneyland

Historically Germany has always been the best place in the world to live, why would it be any different today. I am sure in Germany they do not have as many Mexican or Blacks, most likely this did not even occur to the German as he answered. Of course this German would not be able to live where he was born had it not been for the United States in the first place, hell, Germans are lucky Americans never treated Germans like every other country has treated the losers of war.

You know Europe still owes the USA billions of dollars, hundreds of billions. Its easy to enjoy you life in another country when all that is yours has been given by the USA.

 

[DiveCon]

The Democrats are at $26B and the Republicans are $100B. There must be compromise. I say split the difference with no exclusions and get on with the business of governing. That's a 3.3% across the board cut. I have never seen a business or governmental body that couldn't absorb 3.3% cut.

Even the 100 Billion will not solve the problem, it is only a start.

the real question come in is this a REAL cut, or just a reduction in the INCREASE
real cuts are what is needed

 

[mdn2000]

The Democrats are at $26B and the Republicans are $100B. There must be compromise. I say split the difference with no exclusions and get on with the business of governing. That's a 3.3% across the board cut. I have never seen a business or governmental body that couldn't absorb 3.3% cut.

I guess if you have never seen it there is no debate.

 

[rdean]

Could you name a single country that is trying to reduce their deficit by spending more and has actually succeeded?

China, Germany

Oops, sorry, that was two.

Explain.

Otherwise STFU

You are a real piece of work. You can look things up on your own if you weren't so GD lazy. Are all right wingers like you? On this board, they sure seem to be.

Now, why don't YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!

China's Stimulus Project Spending Over Twice The GDP Of India

China's Stimulus Project Spending Over Twice The GDP Of India

German recovery: What the Germans did | The Economist

Germany's stimulus spending was smaller than America's, but it was quite large by developed nation standards.

 

[mdn2000]

Republicans advocate massive spending cuts in discretionary spending. They intend to a initiate a massive $100 Billion (1/15 of the projected 2011 deficit) from the annual budget. These draconian cuts will occur in all Federal agencies EXCEPT for; military, security, policing, DOJ (prisons), in-house spying (3,984 federal, state and local organization), contractor spying (923 contract agencies), Homeland Security, ATF, DEA, National Guard and military funding to other nations.

IF the Republicans were to eliminate Dept. of Education and Health and Human Services they would come close to their $100 goal. Go Republicans! Go Congress! Go USA!

Just remember: You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a policeman than by a terrorist
Source: National Safety Council statistics

Here is a novel idea: let's stop dropping bombs, waging wars, financing wars, spying, imprisoning (victimless crime), indicting, arresting, killing, harassing and financially exploiting. Let's take all that money, from those activities, and use it to invest in US human capital. Once we've made that investment, more people can work and pay more taxes. Once they pay more taxes we can pay down public debt.

Is this really such a difficult idea for Americans to comprehend? The Chinese and Indians understand it very well. The don't even have aircraft carriers yet. But India educates 7 engineers for every 1 US engineer and Chiba educated 10 engineers for every 1 US engineer. Engineers are primary discipline for innovation, a major economic driver.

This concept is how smart countries manipulate their economies. This is the premise that Merkel (Germany) noted while walking out on Obama (at the Toronto G20), stating 'people will have confidence in their economy when the have confidence in their own government' (Obama was advocating the same old fear-mongering rhetoric)

It is difficult for me to grasp the collective ignorance of the general US population.

Yet, today, China needs engineers of the USA, its true, they not only need them they are offering massive amounts of money to any US engineer willing to work in China.

China can make one hundred knives, China could make a million knives, but which knife would you trust your life with, one made in the USA or China, its kinda like the difference between Craftsman tools and Snap on tools. Both are good, but if your forty feet above the ground, working on a valve, your going to pay the extry hundred dollars for the Snap On Rachet, one mistake, one broken ratcher and your dead. At least that is how it was when I worked in the Rock Quarry.

Point being, China is using the USA, they are not outperforming us nor creating more, and better engineers, at this point, China is begging U.S. engineers to come to China.

Chinese or Indian education over a U.S. education, I guess when I actually have something in my hands, designed and engineered with Chinese technology, I will proof that the Chinese have taught something we are not. In India or China that day is not today, nor is tomorrow.

Still, if the Liberals have their way, the USA will decline further.

U.S. Engineers are the most sought after anywhere in the world.

 

[SFC Ollie]

SO we should be socialist like Germany, or Communist like China. Is that what you want rdean?

I prefer being America.

 

[boedicca]

China, Germany

Oops, sorry, that was two.

Explain.

Otherwise STFU

You are a real piece of work. You can look things up on your own if you weren't so GD lazy. Are all right wingers like you? On this board, they sure seem to be.

Now, why don't YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!

China's Stimulus Project Spending Over Twice The GDP Of India

China's Stimulus Project Spending Over Twice The GDP Of India

German recovery: What the Germans did | The Economist

Germany's stimulus spending was smaller than America's, but it was quite large by developed nation standards.

And when China's bubble finally bursts, it will be the mother of all meltdowns.

 

[DiveCon]

Explain.

Otherwise STFU

You are a real piece of work. You can look things up on your own if you weren't so GD lazy. Are all right wingers like you? On this board, they sure seem to be.

Now, why don't YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!

China's Stimulus Project Spending Over Twice The GDP Of India

China's Stimulus Project Spending Over Twice The GDP Of India

German recovery: What the Germans did | The Economist

Germany's stimulus spending was smaller than America's, but it was quite large by developed nation standards.

And when China's bubble finally bursts, it will be the mother of all meltdowns.

and rdean will blame it on republicans