Rebublicans advocate massive budget cuts!

[mdn2000]

All right. Maybe they could cut enough to force another trillion dollar tax cut for millionaires and billionaires.

Oops, seems they are too busy redefining rape. Oh well, maybe next year.

Lies.

Since when has making $250k made anyone a millionaire or a billionaire?

Explain that one dip-shit.

250,000 GROSS,
50,000 federal tax
25,000 state tax
37,500 social security
10,000 workmens compensation
10,000 medicaid
10,000 casdi
5,000 property tax
147,500 total carpet bagger tax.

103,500 max, after the government takes its cut

I think this is close, if anyone can make an adjustment feel free.

Electricity 4,000 a year
Telephone 1,000 a year
Company vehicle 6,000 a year
Water 1,000 a year
liability insurance 2,500 a year
14,500 a year in other expenses

So before we run our business, buy our material, make our product, do whatever we do, at best, on 250,000 gross income we have 89,000$.

89k is not a lot of money considering we have yet to do anything, maybe if we only did a service that would be my take home, but gross includes ever dime I get from a customer, if I need buy paint, or a tarp, if I am a plumber I buy pipes, or Draino.

I forgot gas for the car.

What if I have an employee, workmens comp goes up.

I bet that my figures are too low, I most likely missed something.

This is why we must concentrate on one tax at one rate for the entire nation, states, and local governments to share.

If they can collect it, they will waste it, arbitrary people spout off we can cut the Military, as if history does not show we will get our ass kicked if we have no Military.

There is only one way out, cut spending, cut the collecting of taxes, and let the economy grow faster then our economy ever has.

We actually need a good 200,000,000 new jobs to cover what the assholes spent.

That means we must build about 1000 Nuclear power plants, rebuild our steel industry, lead the world in textiles and simple household goods. We even need to build our computers and televisions in the USA.

Allow the rich to migrate to the USA, allow the educated to migrate to the USA, after we have drained the world of everyone with a college education, then we can drain the world of those with a high school education, those without an education will have to come illegally, through increased border security, I propose 10 year olds flying Predator Drones fully armed with rockets from their Playstations and X-boxes (which will be required to be made here).

The Liberals want the status quo, to continue our slow death, except after 80 years of failed Liberal spending, we are flat out broke.

That is right, Liberal spending, all spending is Liberal spending, the military spending is exempt, all other spending is liberal spending, just because your name is Republican, if you spent tax money on anything but war, that spending is Liberal and the Liberal spending and ideas are destroying the USA.

 

[Sail Away]

I guess I missed your point (or you missed mine). I maintain, cutting military (14% of the annual budget), stop financing wars, stop spying (costs), stop harassing (costs), stop spying (costs), stop imprisoning (costs), stop fascism (costs), stop authoritarianism (costs).

Invest in your people! Invest in jobs (don't just talk about it). Invest in education. Invest in future potential taxpayers. Invest in human capital.

Remember, You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a cop than by a terrorist. It's time to take a risk with that terrorist that lives under your rug. Oh, that reminds me of another "stop"... Stop fear mongering!

In other words, you can't name a single country that has reduced it's deficit by spending more money.

You are one of these people who seems to think that throwing money down a hole is investment. We spend more on Education than anyone else in the world, and yet our students are getting dumber. Do you think the problem is not enough money or something else?

Maybe if we as people decide to invest in education, IE Reading a book, taking a class. Learning something from somebody, conducting experiments, this nation would be in a better situation. But spending money doesn't educate people. People have to take their own initiative to better themselves. The Government can't do it. They can spend money to send them through classroom after classroom, but that doesnt educate anyone.

The idea that we are somehow lacking in education spending is ludicrous. Not only that, but it makes absolutely no sense to send the money to Washington to then send them back to the States. Education is a State issue. The Federal Government shouldn't be involved.

As I mentioned Germany did it. But they did it when the rest of the would was experiencing manic growth, the 1990s. I would agree with you that it would be impossible when most of the the developed world is in a financial crisis. IMO, I don't advocate Keynesian principals (fiscal stimulus) . But if given a choice between Keynesian fiscal spending or just letting the economic cycle pass, which do you think any government would do? I would guess Keynes, because each time they spend, the burden goes on the taxpayer's back. The burden never goes away and only interest is paid as debt is accumulated. Just a little more fascist leverage.

 

[Sail Away]

Except for the military?

lol

Dems had a super-majority, did they cut defense spending? NO.

It's hard to cut military spending when you are allover globe bombing the shit out of everyone or buying bombs for other countries to bomb the shit out of their neighbors or floating in ships threatening to bomb the shit out everyone, or deploying bases intend to bomb the shit out of everyone.

I sound like George Carlin

 

[rightwinger]

You have to make cuts just to break even from the tax cuts to billionaires we just made

 

[Sail Away]

Except for the military?

lol

Dems had a super-majority, did they cut defense spending? NO.

hell, did they cut ANY spending?

Gates is trying. You can bet they won't be substantial. Kind of like letting the fox straighten up the hen-house.

 

[Flopper]

I guess I missed your point (or you missed mine). I maintain, cutting military (14% of the annual budget), stop financing wars, stop spying (costs), stop harassing (costs), stop spying (costs), stop imprisoning (costs), stop fascism (costs), stop authoritarianism (costs).

Invest in your people! Invest in jobs (don't just talk about it). Invest in education. Invest in future potential taxpayers. Invest in human capital.

Remember, You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a cop than by a terrorist. It's time to take a risk with that terrorist that lives under your rug. Oh, that reminds me of another "stop"... Stop fear mongering!

In other words, you can't name a single country that has reduced it's deficit by spending more money.

You are one of these people who seems to think that throwing money down a hole is investment. We spend more on Education than anyone else in the world, and yet our students are getting dumber. Do you think the problem is not enough money or something else?

Maybe if we as people decide to invest in education, IE Reading a book, taking a class. Learning something from somebody, conducting experiments, this nation would be in a better situation. But spending money doesn't educate people. People have to take their own initiative to better themselves. The Government can't do it. They can spend money to send them through classroom after classroom, but that doesnt educate anyone.

The idea that we are somehow lacking in education spending is ludicrous. Not only that, but it makes absolutely no sense to send the money to Washington to then send them back to the States. Education is a State issue. The Federal Government shouldn't be involved.

As I mentioned Germany did it. But they did it when the rest of the would was experiencing manic growth, the 1990s. I would agree with you that it would be impossible when most of the the developed world is in a financial crisis. IMO, I don't advocate Keynesian principals (fiscal stimulus) . But if given a choice between Keynesian fiscal spending or just letting the economic cycle pass, which do you think any government would do? I would guess Keynes, because each time they spend, the burden goes on the taxpayer's back. The burden never goes away and only interest is paid as debt is accumulated. Just a little more fascist leverage.

Ideally, in a recession we should cut taxes, increase spending and expand the money supply moderately. Once the economy has turned the corner we should reverse the process. We are pretty good at doing the former, but lousy at doing the latter.

 

[Avatar4321]

You have to make cuts just to break even from the tax cuts to billionaires we just made

We havent made any tax cuts.

 

[mdn2000]

You have to make cuts just to break even from the tax cuts to billionaires we just made

Taxes are the same this year as they were last year, there was no tax cut.

 

[Sail Away]

China, Germany

Oops, sorry, that was two.

Germany did it and did a good job. After the the reunification the housing/building market went bust, just like the US. Germany (where college is free to Germans) went to great expense to realign its human capital into an export driven economy. Germany, a country that has attempted to take over the world three times, has now decided that fascism is not such a good idea. They are light-years ahead of us.

No no no. Please, college is not Free to Germans. Where do you people get these ideas? Germany is not the USA, you do not decide to go to college, you are selected to attend college. Or you are directed to a trade school. If you are fortunate you might actually get a choice of which trade school. And most who go to these trade schools end up working at some low paying labor job that has nothing to do with the school they were sent to.

Do you have any Idea of the tax rates in Germany? You think things are free to anyone? You are funny.

It's all paid for! In the US you get student loans, when you get out of school you must commence making payments. If unemployment your age group (16-25) is 28% you pay anyway. You can't pay so you file bankruptcy, but wait; you can't default on student loans! So you tell the judge "I'll find a way to pay" and you default again. You are indicted. You tell the judge "I really need to pay rent and eat ...I will pay", What else can you say? You default again, you are indicted again. At some time consider leaving the country or being a criminal in this country for trying to get an education.

Meanwhile Germany has a unemployment of 7% and US had 9.5% (18% U6)

 

[Sail Away]

Except for the military?

lol

Dems had a super-majority, did they cut defense spending? NO.

As a matter of fact they did.

Obama cut the F24 program completely.

It would have kept us a step in front of China. Now they're quickly catching up to us.

He also wants to get rid of our nukes, while Iran is trying to go nuclear.

Makes alot of sense don't it.

Why would China attack the cash-cow that they own?

 

[rightwinger]

You have to make cuts just to break even from the tax cuts to billionaires we just made

Taxes are the same this year as they were last year, there was no tax cut.

Oh yes

I forgot to mention the $2 trillion we already borrowed to pay for the last round of Bush tax cuts

 

[SFC Ollie]

Germany did it and did a good job. After the the reunification the housing/building market went bust, just like the US. Germany (where college is free to Germans) went to great expense to realign its human capital into an export driven economy. Germany, a country that has attempted to take over the world three times, has now decided that fascism is not such a good idea. They are light-years ahead of us.

No no no. Please, college is not Free to Germans. Where do you people get these ideas? Germany is not the USA, you do not decide to go to college, you are selected to attend college. Or you are directed to a trade school. If you are fortunate you might actually get a choice of which trade school. And most who go to these trade schools end up working at some low paying labor job that has nothing to do with the school they were sent to.

Do you have any Idea of the tax rates in Germany? You think things are free to anyone? You are funny.

It's all paid for! In the US you get student loans, when you get out of school you must commence making payments. If unemployment your age group (16-25) is 28% you pay anyway. You can't pay so you file bankruptcy, but wait; you can't default on student loans! So you tell the judge "I'll find a way to pay" and you default again. You are indicted. You tell the judge "I really need to pay rent and eat ...I will pay" what else can you say. You default again, you are indicted again. At some time consider leaving the country or being a criminal in this country for trying to get an education.

Meanwhile Germany has a unemployment of 7% and US had 9.5% (18% U6)

I prefer our system where you are responsible for you. Millions of people make it through college and pay off their loans, Just because some screw it up.. Oh well. You are right though Germany does have a better unemployment than we do at the moment. They are still quite socialist. And their tax rates start 14% for people making over 8000 Euros. And goes up quickly. And that is just the Income tax, the Fed also collects a VAT tax on top of that. along with several others I forget.... I would bet they end up with 65% or better.

 

[Sail Away]

In other words, you can't name a single country that has reduced it's deficit by spending more money.

You are one of these people who seems to think that throwing money down a hole is investment. We spend more on Education than anyone else in the world, and yet our students are getting dumber. Do you think the problem is not enough money or something else?

Maybe if we as people decide to invest in education, IE Reading a book, taking a class. Learning something from somebody, conducting experiments, this nation would be in a better situation. But spending money doesn't educate people. People have to take their own initiative to better themselves. The Government can't do it. They can spend money to send them through classroom after classroom, but that doesnt educate anyone.

The idea that we are somehow lacking in education spending is ludicrous. Not only that, but it makes absolutely no sense to send the money to Washington to then send them back to the States. Education is a State issue. The Federal Government shouldn't be involved.

As I mentioned Germany did it. But they did it when the rest of the would was experiencing manic growth, the 1990s. I would agree with you that it would be impossible when most of the the developed world is in a financial crisis. IMO, I don't advocate Keynesian principals (fiscal stimulus) . But if given a choice between Keynesian fiscal spending or just letting the economic cycle pass, which do you think any government would do? I would guess Keynes, because each time they spend, the burden goes on the taxpayer's back. The burden never goes away and only interest is paid as debt is accumulated. Just a little more fascist leverage.

Ideally, in a recession we should cut taxes, increase spending and expand the money supply moderately. Once the economy has turned the corner we should reverse the process. We are pretty good at doing the former, but lousy at doing the latter.

Agreed, but printing money to buy your own debt is over the top. Also, not procuring your debt in long term bonds (while there is high demand and the interest rate is low) is absolutely insane.

 

[Sail Away]

No no no. Please, college is not Free to Germans. Where do you people get these ideas? Germany is not the USA, you do not decide to go to college, you are selected to attend college. Or you are directed to a trade school. If you are fortunate you might actually get a choice of which trade school. And most who go to these trade schools end up working at some low paying labor job that has nothing to do with the school they were sent to.

Do you have any Idea of the tax rates in Germany? You think things are free to anyone? You are funny.

It's all paid for! In the US you get student loans, when you get out of school you must commence making payments. If unemployment your age group (16-25) is 28% you pay anyway. You can't pay so you file bankruptcy, but wait; you can't default on student loans! So you tell the judge "I'll find a way to pay" and you default again. You are indicted. You tell the judge "I really need to pay rent and eat ...I will pay" what else can you say. You default again, you are indicted again. At some time consider leaving the country or being a criminal in this country for trying to get an education.

Meanwhile Germany has a unemployment of 7% and US had 9.5% (18% U6)

I prefer our system where you are responsible for you. Millions of people make it through college and pay off their loans, Just because some screw it up.. Oh well. You are right though Germany does have a better unemployment than we do at the moment. They are still quite socialist. And their tax rates start 14% for people making over 8000 Euros. And goes up quickly. And that is just the Income tax, the Fed also collects a VAT tax on top of that. along with several others I forget.... I would bet they end up with 65% or better.

I was in LV this summer. I was hanging at the outside bar at the Cabos Wabos (it's like a two-story over look on the "LV Strip"). I was talking with a German BMW executive who said he paid 43% tax. While looking out over the strip, seeing hookers, calling card vendors (for hooker and strippers), street beggars, losers, qusi street performers, abandoned old people and displaced mentally ill; I asked the guy (and his wife), where would you live if you had your choice of anywhere in the world? Answer - Germany. This couple has traveled all over the world. He said that he has never see such a spectacle as the LV strip. He went on to say (in a round about way) that Americans don't have principles in taking care of their own. I had to agree!

 

[mudwhistle]

All right. Maybe they could cut enough to force another trillion dollar tax cut for millionaires and billionaires.

Oops, seems they are too busy redefining rape. Oh well, maybe next year.

Lies.

Since when has making $250k made anyone a millionaire or a billionaire?

Explain that one dip-shit.

Because the majority of the tax cuts went to those making 250k? You're kidding, right?

Hey, check this out:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/congr...o-worry-about-something-as-small-as-jobs.html

You gotta love it.

STFU.

Making $250k (200 if you're single) is not rich.....and definitely not a millionaire or a billionaire.

A mindless zombie repeating Marxist rhetoric. That's all you are.

 

[mudwhistle]

Dude, I don't want to shock your delusional balanced budget pipe dream, but... by 2013 (considering constant revenues and the Bush tax cut extension) the US will only be bring in enough revenues (taxes) to cover mandatory spending (SS, Medicare, pensions, debt interest, disability and VA). So that means if they were to cut ALL discretionary spending (military, EPA, ATF, Homeland Security, FBI, education, DOE, DOJ, etc.) they could then balance the budget.

Here is a novel idea: let's stop dropping bombs, waging wars, financing wars, spying, imprisoning (victimless crime), indicting, arresting, killing, harassing and exploiting. Let's take all that money, from those activities, and use it to invest in human capital. Once we've made that investment, people can work and pay more taxes. Once they pay more taxes we can work on the public debt problem. That is the way that smart countries do it.

Could you name a single country that is trying to reduce their deficit by spending more and has actually succeeded?

I guess I missed your point (or you missed mine). I maintain, cutting military (14% of the annual budget), stop financing wars, stop spying (costs), stop harassing (costs), stop spying (costs), stop imprisoning (costs), stop fascism (costs), stop authoritarianism (costs).

Invest in your people! Invest in jobs (don't just talk about it). Invest in education. Invest in future potential taxpayers. Invest in human capital.

Remember, You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a cop than by a terrorist. It's time to take a risk with that terrorist that lives under your rug. Oh, that reminds me of another "stop"... Stop fear mongering!

Invest?

Yet another zombie repeating Marxist rhetoric.

Invest = stealing earnings from workers so you can control them.

It doesn't matter what they call it. It's still spending and the only way they can spend it is by ether borrowing it from China or steal it from us.

 

[mudwhistle]

I guess I missed your point (or you missed mine). I maintain, cutting military (14% of the annual budget), stop financing wars, stop spying (costs), stop harassing (costs), stop spying (costs), stop imprisoning (costs), stop fascism (costs), stop authoritarianism (costs).

Invest in your people! Invest in jobs (don't just talk about it). Invest in education. Invest in future potential taxpayers. Invest in human capital.

Remember, You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a cop than by a terrorist. It's time to take a risk with that terrorist that lives under your rug. Oh, that reminds me of another "stop"... Stop fear mongering!

In other words, you can't name a single country that has reduced it's deficit by spending more money.

You are one of these people who seems to think that throwing money down a hole is investment. We spend more on Education than anyone else in the world, and yet our students are getting dumber. Do you think the problem is not enough money or something else?

Maybe if we as people decide to invest in education, IE Reading a book, taking a class. Learning something from somebody, conducting experiments, this nation would be in a better situation. But spending money doesn't educate people. People have to take their own initiative to better themselves. The Government can't do it. They can spend money to send them through classroom after classroom, but that doesnt educate anyone.

The idea that we are somehow lacking in education spending is ludicrous. Not only that, but it makes absolutely no sense to send the money to Washington to then send them back to the States. Education is a State issue. The Federal Government shouldn't be involved.

Notice how Obama is still talking about everything BUT jobs.

Nothing he does is intended to improve employment.

To be honest, nothing he does is meant to solve a problem. Just make him look like he gives a fuck.

Truth is, he doesn't.

 

[mudwhistle]

Dude, I don't want to shock your delusional balanced budget pipe dream, but... by 2013 (considering constant revenues and the Bush tax cut extension) the US will only be bring in enough revenues (taxes) to cover mandatory spending (SS, Medicare, pensions, debt interest, disability and VA). So that means if they were to cut ALL discretionary spending (military, EPA, ATF, Homeland Security, FBI, education, DOE, DOJ, etc.) they could then balance the budget.

Here is a novel idea: let's stop dropping bombs, waging wars, financing wars, spying, imprisoning (victimless crime), indicting, arresting, killing, harassing and exploiting. Let's take all that money, from those activities, and use it to invest in human capital. Once we've made that investment, people can work and pay more taxes. Once they pay more taxes we can work on the public debt problem. That is the way that smart countries do it.

Could you name a single country that is trying to reduce their deficit by spending more and has actually succeeded?

Considering where the deficit went from about 1991 to 2000, and considering that, offhand I'm guessing, spending increased over those years, one could say not only was it tried,

it was done.

Sounds like you're guessing.

 

[mudwhistle]

You have to make cuts just to break even from the tax cuts to billionaires we just made

How many billionaires do you think we have? My guess is there are less then 10. How many of them would have even been effected by an increase in the first place. Wanna bet that none of them would have been effected by it? The people most effected by this was the Middle Class, not the rich. This issue is pure class-warfare, nothing more.

Btw.....How many tax cuts did we get? If you say alot or any at all, you're a liar.

We didn't get any cuts. We maintained at the previous rate. We didn't get a single God Damned cut.

Try to get it straight and stop parroting Obama's bogus rhetoric.

 

[sparky]

I've been reading that the plan is to have this man come to town>

i can't imagine how he'll help though.....

~S~