Rebublicans advocate massive budget cuts!

[Soggy in NOLA]

Dude, I don't want to shock your delusional balanced budget pipe dream, but... by 2013 (considering constant revenues and the Bush tax cut extension) the US will only be bring in enough revenues (taxes) to cover mandatory spending (SS, Medicare, pensions, debt interest, disability and VA). So that means if they were to cut ALL discretionary spending (military, EPA, ATF, Homeland Security, FBI, education, DOE, DOJ, etc.) they could then balance the budget.

Here is a novel idea: let's stop dropping bombs, waging wars, financing wars, spying, imprisoning (victimless crime), indicting, arresting, killing, harassing and exploiting. Let's take all that money, from those activities, and use it to invest in human capital. Once we've made that investment, people can work and pay more taxes. Once they pay more taxes we can work on the public debt problem. That is the way that smart countries do it.

Could you name a single country that is trying to reduce their deficit by spending more and has actually succeeded?

China, Germany

Oops, sorry, that was two.

OMG.

 

[Avatar4321]

Nothing draconian about cutting money we don't have from programs we don't need.

It's a good start. It's not nearly enough though.

Let's start making the DoD budget much more efficient. There is no reason we can't cut a third from that budget and not keep the same security levels.

Eliminating the Dept of Energy and Homeland security would be good a good addition to the departments already mentioned.

And of course, they need to start hitting the deceptively named "mandatory" spending as there is nothing mandatory about it.

How bout cutting the Dept of Education and the IRS completely. Or the EPA.

Imagine how much we'd save.

Quite a bit. and Dept of Ed was already mentioned

 

[SFC Ollie]

Nothing draconian about cutting money we don't have from programs we don't need.

It's a good start. It's not nearly enough though.

Let's start making the DoD budget much more efficient. There is no reason we can't cut a third from that budget and not keep the same security levels.

Eliminating the Dept of Energy and Homeland security would be good a good addition to the departments already mentioned.

And of course, they need to start hitting the deceptively named "mandatory" spending as there is nothing mandatory about it.

Dude, I don't want to shock your delusional balanced budget pipe dream, but... by 2013 (considering constant revenues and the Bush tax cut extension) the US will only be bring in enough revenues (taxes) to cover mandatory spending (SS, Medicare, pensions, debt interest, disability and VA). So that means if they were to cut ALL discretionary spending (military, EPA, ATF, Homeland Security, FBI, education, DOE, DOJ, etc.) they could then balance the budget.

Here is a novel idea: let's stop dropping bombs, waging wars, financing wars, spying, imprisoning (victimless crime), indicting, arresting, killing, harassing and exploiting. Let's take all that money, from those activities, and use it to invest in human capital. Once we've made that investment, people can work and pay more taxes. Once they pay more taxes we can work on the public debt problem. That is the way that smart countries do it.

Could you name a single country that is trying to reduce their deficit by spending more and has actually succeeded?

Now now, it's not fair pointing out historical facts like that.

 

[Avatar4321]

Are you a distant relative of Hitler or just a fan?

And this stupid shit is Godwin'd.

Fascism is fascism. It doesn't make any difference what country it evolves in. Would you prefer; Are you a distant relative of Stalin or just a fan? Or maybe Mao, or Mussolini, etc? They all love their military, their policing, their spying, their Authoritarianism.

Fascism requires more government spending and control.

Less government spending and less government control isn't fascism.

 

[mudwhistle]

Dude, I don't want to shock your delusional balanced budget pipe dream, but... by 2013 (considering constant revenues and the Bush tax cut extension) the US will only be bring in enough revenues (taxes) to cover mandatory spending (SS, Medicare, pensions, debt interest, disability and VA). So that means if they were to cut ALL discretionary spending (military, EPA, ATF, Homeland Security, FBI, education, DOE, DOJ, etc.) they could then balance the budget.

Here is a novel idea: let's stop dropping bombs, waging wars, financing wars, spying, imprisoning (victimless crime), indicting, arresting, killing, harassing and exploiting. Let's take all that money, from those activities, and use it to invest in human capital. Once we've made that investment, people can work and pay more taxes. Once they pay more taxes we can work on the public debt problem. That is the way that smart countries do it.

Could you name a single country that is trying to reduce their deficit by spending more and has actually succeeded?

China, Germany

Oops, sorry, that was two.

Explain.

Otherwise STFU

 

[Avatar4321]

Dude, I don't want to shock your delusional balanced budget pipe dream, but... by 2013 (considering constant revenues and the Bush tax cut extension) the US will only be bring in enough revenues (taxes) to cover mandatory spending (SS, Medicare, pensions, debt interest, disability and VA). So that means if they were to cut ALL discretionary spending (military, EPA, ATF, Homeland Security, FBI, education, DOE, DOJ, etc.) they could then balance the budget.

Here is a novel idea: let's stop dropping bombs, waging wars, financing wars, spying, imprisoning (victimless crime), indicting, arresting, killing, harassing and exploiting. Let's take all that money, from those activities, and use it to invest in human capital. Once we've made that investment, people can work and pay more taxes. Once they pay more taxes we can work on the public debt problem. That is the way that smart countries do it.

Could you name a single country that is trying to reduce their deficit by spending more and has actually succeeded?

China, Germany

Oops, sorry, that was two.

When did either of those nations cut their spending by spending more?

 

[DiveCon]

OMG!!!!

So what's the problem?

Are you a distant relative of Hitler or just a fan?

Godwins Law
and only the 5th post of the thread

 

[DiveCon]

All right. Maybe they could cut enough to force another trillion dollar tax cut for millionaires and billionaires.

Oops, seems they are too busy redefining rape. Oh well, maybe next year.

Lies.

Since when has making $250k made anyone a millionaire or a billionaire?

Explain that one dip-shit.

Because the majority of the tax cuts went to those making 250k? You're kidding, right?

Hey, check this out:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/congr...o-worry-about-something-as-small-as-jobs.html

You gotta love it.

your post of lies doesnt make it true, moron

 

[Sail Away]

Nothing draconian about cutting money we don't have from programs we don't need.

It's a good start. It's not nearly enough though.

Let's start making the DoD budget much more efficient. There is no reason we can't cut a third from that budget and not keep the same security levels.

Eliminating the Dept of Energy and Homeland security would be good a good addition to the departments already mentioned.

And of course, they need to start hitting the deceptively named "mandatory" spending as there is nothing mandatory about it.

Dude, I don't want to shock your delusional balanced budget pipe dream, but... by 2013 (considering constant revenues and the Bush tax cut extension) the US will only be bring in enough revenues (taxes) to cover mandatory spending (SS, Medicare, pensions, debt interest, disability and VA). So that means if they were to cut ALL discretionary spending (military, EPA, ATF, Homeland Security, FBI, education, DOE, DOJ, etc.) they could then balance the budget.

Here is a novel idea: let's stop dropping bombs, waging wars, financing wars, spying, imprisoning (victimless crime), indicting, arresting, killing, harassing and exploiting. Let's take all that money, from those activities, and use it to invest in human capital. Once we've made that investment, people can work and pay more taxes. Once they pay more taxes we can work on the public debt problem. That is the way that smart countries do it.

Could you name a single country that is trying to reduce their deficit by spending more and has actually succeeded?

I guess I missed your point (or you missed mine). I maintain, cutting military (14% of the annual budget), stop financing wars, stop spying (costs), stop harassing (costs), stop spying (costs), stop imprisoning (costs), stop fascism (costs), stop authoritarianism (costs).

Invest in your people! Invest in jobs (don't just talk about it). Invest in education. Invest in future potential taxpayers. Invest in human capital.

Remember, You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a cop than by a terrorist. It's time to take a risk with that terrorist that lives under your rug. Oh, that reminds me of another "stop"... Stop fear mongering!

 

[grunt11b]

All right. Maybe they could cut enough to force another trillion dollar tax cut for millionaires and billionaires.

Oops, seems they are too busy redefining rape. Oh well, maybe next year.

Dumbass.

 

[Avatar4321]

I guess I missed your point (or you missed mine). I maintain, cutting military (14% of the annual budget), stop financing wars, stop spying (costs), stop harassing (costs), stop spying (costs), stop imprisoning (costs), stop fascism (costs), stop authoritarianism (costs).

Invest in your people! Invest in jobs (don't just talk about it). Invest in education. Invest in future potential taxpayers. Invest in human capital.

Remember, You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a cop than by a terrorist. It's time to take a risk with that terrorist that lives under your rug. Oh, that reminds me of another "stop"... Stop fear mongering!

In other words, you can't name a single country that has reduced it's deficit by spending more money.

You are one of these people who seems to think that throwing money down a hole is investment. We spend more on Education than anyone else in the world, and yet our students are getting dumber. Do you think the problem is not enough money or something else?

Maybe if we as people decide to invest in education, IE Reading a book, taking a class. Learning something from somebody, conducting experiments, this nation would be in a better situation. But spending money doesn't educate people. People have to take their own initiative to better themselves. The Government can't do it. They can spend money to send them through classroom after classroom, but that doesnt educate anyone.

The idea that we are somehow lacking in education spending is ludicrous. Not only that, but it makes absolutely no sense to send the money to Washington to then send them back to the States. Education is a State issue. The Federal Government shouldn't be involved.

 

[Missourian]

Except for the military?

lol

Dems had a super-majority, did they cut defense spending? NO.

 

[DiveCon]

Except for the military?

lol

Dems had a super-majority, did they cut defense spending? NO.

hell, did they cut ANY spending?

 

[Sail Away]

Dude, I don't want to shock your delusional balanced budget pipe dream, but... by 2013 (considering constant revenues and the Bush tax cut extension) the US will only be bring in enough revenues (taxes) to cover mandatory spending (SS, Medicare, pensions, debt interest, disability and VA). So that means if they were to cut ALL discretionary spending (military, EPA, ATF, Homeland Security, FBI, education, DOE, DOJ, etc.) they could then balance the budget.

Here is a novel idea: let's stop dropping bombs, waging wars, financing wars, spying, imprisoning (victimless crime), indicting, arresting, killing, harassing and exploiting. Let's take all that money, from those activities, and use it to invest in human capital. Once we've made that investment, people can work and pay more taxes. Once they pay more taxes we can work on the public debt problem. That is the way that smart countries do it.

Could you name a single country that is trying to reduce their deficit by spending more and has actually succeeded?

China, Germany

Oops, sorry, that was two.

Germany did it and did a good job. After the the reunification the housing/building market went bust, just like the US. Germany (where college is free to Germans) went to great expense to realign its human capital into an export driven economy. Germany, a country that has attempted to take over the world three times, has now decided that fascism is not such a good idea. They are light-years ahead of us.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Except for the military?

lol

Dems had a super-majority, did they cut defense spending? NO.

And what is that relevant to? I wasn't in Congress, dumbass.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Could you name a single country that is trying to reduce their deficit by spending more and has actually succeeded?

China, Germany

Oops, sorry, that was two.

Germany did it and did a good job. After the the reunification the housing/building market went bust, just like the US. Germany (where college is free to Germans) went to great expense to realign its human capital into an export driven economy. Germany, a country that has attempted to take over the world three times, has now decided that fascism is not such a good idea. They are light-years ahead of us.

No no no. Please, college is not Free to Germans. Where do you people get these ideas? Germany is not the USA, you do not decide to go to college, you are selected to attend college. Or you are directed to a trade school. If you are fortunate you might actually get a choice of which trade school. And most who go to these trade schools end up working at some low paying labor job that has nothing to do with the school they were sent to.

Do you have any Idea of the tax rates in Germany? You think things are free to anyone? You are funny.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Nothing draconian about cutting money we don't have from programs we don't need.

It's a good start. It's not nearly enough though.

Let's start making the DoD budget much more efficient. There is no reason we can't cut a third from that budget and not keep the same security levels.

Eliminating the Dept of Energy and Homeland security would be good a good addition to the departments already mentioned.

And of course, they need to start hitting the deceptively named "mandatory" spending as there is nothing mandatory about it.

Dude, I don't want to shock your delusional balanced budget pipe dream, but... by 2013 (considering constant revenues and the Bush tax cut extension) the US will only be bring in enough revenues (taxes) to cover mandatory spending (SS, Medicare, pensions, debt interest, disability and VA). So that means if they were to cut ALL discretionary spending (military, EPA, ATF, Homeland Security, FBI, education, DOE, DOJ, etc.) they could then balance the budget.

Here is a novel idea: let's stop dropping bombs, waging wars, financing wars, spying, imprisoning (victimless crime), indicting, arresting, killing, harassing and exploiting. Let's take all that money, from those activities, and use it to invest in human capital. Once we've made that investment, people can work and pay more taxes. Once they pay more taxes we can work on the public debt problem. That is the way that smart countries do it.

Could you name a single country that is trying to reduce their deficit by spending more and has actually succeeded?

Considering where the deficit went from about 1991 to 2000, and considering that, offhand I'm guessing, spending increased over those years, one could say not only was it tried,

it was done.

 

[mudwhistle]

Except for the military?

lol

Dems had a super-majority, did they cut defense spending? NO.

As a matter of fact they did.

Obama cut the F24 program completely.

It would have kept us a step in front of China. Now they're quickly catching up to us.

He also wants to get rid of our nukes, while Iran is trying to go nuclear.

Makes alot of sense don't it.

 

[Sail Away]

And this stupid shit is Godwin'd.

Fascism is fascism. It doesn't make any difference what country it evolves in. Would you prefer; Are you a distant relative of Stalin or just a fan? Or maybe Mao, or Mussolini, etc? They all love their military, their policing, their spying, their Authoritarianism.

Do they force people to buy health insurance and then sick the IRS on you of you don't?

I think the IRS might be a good agency to have around. Some entity needs to make sure that we keep up payments to other countries/entities. Also, IRS is very good a collecting. Perhaps they could responsible for selling-off the (estimated) $13.4 trillion in Federal assets (Nation parks, buildings, lands, gold, dams, etc,) to pay for the debt that congress has accumulated. Oh wait, we'll close to $15 trillion so that won't quite cover it. But that that's OK because we owe additional $41 trillion in unfunded liabilities anyway. It like the guy that knows going bankrupt so he goes out and buys a new Porsche. Spend to the end!

Authoritarian spending is not my idea of a Porsche.

 

[Sail Away]

And this stupid shit is Godwin'd.

Fascism is fascism. It doesn't make any difference what country it evolves in. Would you prefer; Are you a distant relative of Stalin or just a fan? Or maybe Mao, or Mussolini, etc? They all love their military, their policing, their spying, their Authoritarianism.

Fascism requires more government spending and control.

Less government spending and less government control isn't fascism.

How astute!