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[PoliticalChic]

Arthur L. Herman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

your guy is a right wing hack.

And....you admit what he said was correct?

Good.

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC giving us her monthly St Joe rant

Must be getting bored

Check the date of the NYSun editorial.

 

[PoliticalChic]

He was a drunken, loud-mouthed liar and will go down in history that way, no matter how much you want to revise it.

1. Were you able to digest the facts in the OP?
Indigestion?


2. Fifty years of liberal propaganda people to thinking of Communist Party member as lovable idealists and the urge to fire them from their government jobs as an irrational anachronistic prejudice. Allowing card-carrying members of the Communist Party to handle classified material after the Alger Hiss case would be like encouraging al-Qaeda members to carry box cutters on airplanes after 9-11.
"Trreason," Coulter

3. Let's see if 'history' is behaving as you predict....or if you remain consistently in error:

Arthur Herman, author of "Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator," says that the accuracy of McCarthy's charges "was no longer a matter of debate," that they are "now accepted as fact."

Accepted fact!

And The New York Post's Eric Fettmann has noted: "growing historical evidence underscores that, whatever his rhetorical and investigative excesses - and they were substantial - McCarthy was a lot closer to the truth about Communism than were his foes."

Foes....I believe he is speaking of you.

Gee....you seem not to be correct. How...unusual.

I'd be happy to recommend a couple of books....once you are no longer resistant to learning.

You're revising history to make McCarthy look good, despite the fact that the few times he was right were far outweighed by the times he was wrong and bullied and destroyed innocent people. He wasn't called out at the time by people with totally clean records for nothing. He wasn't censured by the Senate fort nothing. Waving blank sheets and claiming they contained lists of names isn't the sign of an American hero; it's the sign of a demagogue.

"the few times he was right "

Now you're on the right path!


OK....begin with Venona Paper books....especially the ones by Haynes and Klehr.....

 

[Bfgrn]

Ironic, we have Conrad Black, a convicted felon for fraud defining scurrilous.

What next PC...an essay by Charlie Manson on ethics??

 

[whitehall]

The term "McCarthyism" is a symbol of the power of the mainstream media to distort facts in order to promote an agenda. HUAC (House Unamerican Activities Committee) was a democrat party creation in an effort to expose Communist infiltration into American society and politics. It was HUAC that issued subpoenas to testify before congress. The federal government had no power to "black-list" citizens but Hollywood managed to blame the government when they fired writers because they were afraid the movies would lose money if they employed communists. Senator McCarthy was merely another politicians who ranted about the communist threat. When the hunt for communists started to sour the slick left wing media types managed to blame the entire anti-communist era on the republican party, namely Joe McCarthy.

 

[there4eyeM]

Stirring things up for attention, Chic? On t'aime bien, tu sais. You don't have to dredge up a political hack. You have much more potential than that.

 

[jillian]

How lucky America was to have Senator Joe McCarthy revealing the depth of communist infiltration in the Roosevelt and Truman administrations.....

mccarthy was an embarrassment.

nice effort at revisionist history.

 

[whitehall]

How lucky America was to have Senator Joe McCarthy revealing the depth of communist infiltration in the Roosevelt and Truman administrations.....

mccarthy was an embarrassment.

nice effort at revisionist history.

Truman was an embarrassment. McCarthy was just a senator.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ironic, we have Conrad Black, a convicted felon for fraud defining scurrilous.

What next PC...an essay by Charlie Manson on ethics??

So....you changed the subject because you couldn't find even the smallest error in the OP?

Good thinking, BoringFriendlessGuy!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Stirring things up for attention, Chic? On t'aime bien, tu sais. You don't have to dredge up a political hack. You have much more potential than that.

"You don't have to dredge up a political hack."

WHAT????

You dare refer to a proud Democrat.....just because when Joe Stalin said "jump," Henry Wallace said "how high, boss?"

And the personal pick of the Imperial President, Franklin the First????


What were you thinin,' eye-sore???


Now, go and say five 'Hail, Franklins," vote twice for any Democrat, and sin no more.

 

[Bfgrn]

Ironic, we have Conrad Black, a convicted felon for fraud defining scurrilous.

What next PC...an essay by Charlie Manson on ethics??

So....you changed the subject because you couldn't find even the smallest error in the OP?

Good thinking, BoringFriendlessGuy!

I found a fatal flaw in the OP...the author's credibility.

 

[PoliticalChic]

How lucky America was to have Senator Joe McCarthy revealing the depth of communist infiltration in the Roosevelt and Truman administrations.....

mccarthy was an embarrassment.

nice effort at revisionist history.

You are mistaken.

Senator McCarty was an American hero.


The embarrassment was the naïveté of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.


Here:

“On September 2, 1939, the day after the outbreak of war in Europe, Whittaker Chambers had told much of what he knew about Soviet espionage in the United States to Adolph Berle, Assistant Secretary of State and President’s Roosevelt’s adviser on internal security. Immediately afterwards, Berle drew up a memorandum for the President which listed Alger Hiss, Harry Dexter White and the other leading for whom Chambers acted as courier. One was a leading presidential aide, Lauchlin Currie….Roosevelt, however, was not interested. He seems to have dismissed the whole idea of espionage rings within his administration as absurd.”
‘The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archives, the History of the KGB,” by Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin.p.107

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ironic, we have Conrad Black, a convicted felon for fraud defining scurrilous.

What next PC...an essay by Charlie Manson on ethics??

So....you changed the subject because you couldn't find even the smallest error in the OP?

Good thinking, BoringFriendlessGuy!

I found a fatal flaw in the OP...the author's credibility.

Is that what they taught you in government school?
Unhappy with an author....that serves as well as an actual critique of the opus.


You dolt.

By that token, you must have stopped using Arabic numerals after 9/11.

I challenge you to show errors in the factual content of the editorial....or continue to be known as a numbskull.

 

[regent]

It would be nice if a few tapes were played once a year; my number one choice would be the Army-McCarthy hearings, number two Bush's carrier landing with the sign Mission Accomplished.

 

[whitehall]

The funny thing is that it wasn't long ago that the Senate held the same type of hearings complete with subpoenas and "are you now or have you ever" questions and the left loved it. The Country was on the brink of economic collapse when democrats gained the majority in both houses of congress half way into Bush's 2nd term and what was the first thing on the Senate's agenda? The economy, the conflict in Afghanistan? Nope, the democrat controlled senate launched on a McCarthy like crusade against....steroid use in baseball. After two or three years they came up with a single charge against a hall of fame pitcher.

 

[Toronado3800]

PC, you are for the use of big government investigative powers and all that military industrial complex deficit spending?

Now that's fine. Stalin was a monster. Socialism generally sucks as human nature sucks.

But hey, them.were different times. Socialist revolutions and all in some huge countries. I can't think of any that turned out well. By finding the New Deal we avoided having one and became the shining light of capitalism and deficit spending.

 

[whitehall]

OK, what if we concede that McCarthy was a flamboyant pain in the ass? Where does that leave us? Does it exonerate CUSA? The left never could get over their fascination for communism and typically the radical left can never get over it's hatred. For a little example of hatred and the mainstream media, Richard Nixon worked for HUAC and Watergate reporter Karl Marx Bernstein's parents were targets of HUAC and presumably Nixon. Wouldn't you think somebody would have made that connection and perhaps considered that Bernstein's hatred might have contributed to certain excesses in reporting like a freaking undisclosed and unverified informant who's identity wasn't disclosed until he was dead and couldn't verify the stories?

 

[Mad Scientist]

No one could expect anything more rigorous or responsible from a compulsively mendacious fiction-producer like Stone, but it is distressing to see the New York Times and the New York Review of Books, suckers for or even aggressive propagators of self-flagellating American leftist revisionism though they often are, taking up the cudgels to respectabilize such lies. We seem to come closer every year to the triumph of Malcolm Muggeridge’s famous and familiar “great liberal death wish.”

I am watching the Oliver Stone's Documentary now and as I've already stated elsewhere, it's very interesting. But:
PC I think you may have glossed over this little tidbit about Henry Wallace?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_A._Wallace

In 1950, when North Korea invaded South Korea, Wallace broke with the Progressives and backed the U.S.-led war effort in the Korean War. In 1952, Wallace published "Where I Was Wrong", in which he explained that his seemingly-trusting stance toward the Soviet Union and Joseph Stalin stemmed from inadequate information about Stalin's crimes and that he, too, now considered himself an anti-Communist. He wrote various letters to "people who he thought had traduced (maligned) him" and advocated the re-election of President Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1956.

As you wrote in your OP, even President Roosevelt was dismissive of the idea of Communist Spies in his administration right?

Still looking for "“Where I Was Wrong” by Henry Wallace. If I find it I'll post it here.

 

[PoliticalChic]

No one could expect anything more rigorous or responsible from a compulsively mendacious fiction-producer like Stone, but it is distressing to see the New York Times and the New York Review of Books, suckers for or even aggressive propagators of self-flagellating American leftist revisionism though they often are, taking up the cudgels to respectabilize such lies. We seem to come closer every year to the triumph of Malcolm Muggeridge’s famous and familiar “great liberal death wish.”

I am watching the Oliver Stone's Documentary now and as I've already stated elsewhere, it's very interesting. But:
PC I think you may have glossed over this little tidbit about Henry Wallace?:
Henry A. Wallace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1950, when North Korea invaded South Korea, Wallace broke with the Progressives and backed the U.S.-led war effort in the Korean War. In 1952, Wallace published "Where I Was Wrong", in which he explained that his seemingly-trusting stance toward the Soviet Union and Joseph Stalin stemmed from inadequate information about Stalin's crimes and that he, too, now considered himself an anti-Communist. He wrote various letters to "people who he thought had traduced (maligned) him" and advocated the re-election of President Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1956.

As you wrote in your OP, even President Roosevelt was dismissive of the idea of Communist Spies in his administration right?

Still looking for "“Where I Was Wrong” by Henry Wallace. If I find it I'll post it here.

Ever been to Hyde Park?
Hyde Park, New York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Franklin D. Roosevelt Presidential Library and Museum - Henry A. Wallace Visitor and Education Center

Attached to the Roosevelt library is one dedicated to guess who....Henry Wallace.
Went there with the kids, and discussed the Wallace admission, 'Where I Was Wrong,' with the guide: he claimed he was unaware of same.




Wallace met personally with KGB agents. (Allen Weinstein and Alexander Vassiliev, Haunted Woods, p. 119)
“…several prominent journalists, including H.L. Mencken and Dorothy Thompson, publicly charged that Wallace and the Progressives were under the covert control of Communists. Wallace was endorsed by the Communist Party (USA), and his subsequent refusal to publicly disavow any Communist support cost him the backing of many anti-Communist liberals and socialists…” (Henry A. Wallace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)




In his diary, Wallace, whose view of the future of America required Soviet-style Communism, wrote that FDR had assured him that he was a few years ahead of his time, but that his vision for American would “inevitably come.” (John Patrick Diggins, “Good Intentions,” The National Interest, Fall, 2000)

 

[CrusaderFrank]

McCarthy didn't go far enough, he should have brought charges of treason against Truman and the Communist spies running our government