Rand Paul Rips an Eco-Nanny a New One

[Dr.Drock]

The weird thing about Rand and Ron Paul is whenever they speak on an individual issue essentially everyone agrees with them and talks about how their ideas are the best.

But then when we talk about a nationwide election, all of a sudden they're both "loons."

I think I've figured out why, but feel free to correct me. Neither of them are big enough warmongers for either mainstream party, is that about right?

 

[dilloduck]

Did he call it, or what?

After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the government then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small, complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence: it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.

Alexis de Tocqueville - Democracy in America, Volume II (1840); Book Four, Chapter VI

You're an idiot to assume the paragraph is necessarily true simply because you see people agreeing with Government acts.....but then..........you'd have to totally ignore every time that they disagree which blows the tripe pretty clean out of the water.

There's this other stuff in life for thinking people: it's called gray area.

You might be able to think gray. Can you act gray ?
Some choices are clearly black or white. You do or you don't.
Pretending that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing is irrational.

 

[G.T.]

Did he call it, or what?



Alexis de Tocqueville - Democracy in America, Volume II (1840); Book Four, Chapter VI

You're an idiot to assume the paragraph is necessarily true simply because you see people agreeing with Government acts.....but then..........you'd have to totally ignore every time that they disagree which blows the tripe pretty clean out of the water.

There's this other stuff in life for thinking people: it's called gray area.

Musta hit ya pretty close to the mark, to get ya all riled up like that.

You're a tool, basically. You have discussions like a freshman in high school does.

 

[Oddball]

*owie*

 

[G.T.]

Did he call it, or what?



Alexis de Tocqueville - Democracy in America, Volume II (1840); Book Four, Chapter VI

You're an idiot to assume the paragraph is necessarily true simply because you see people agreeing with Government acts.....but then..........you'd have to totally ignore every time that they disagree which blows the tripe pretty clean out of the water.

There's this other stuff in life for thinking people: it's called gray area.

You might be able to think gray. Can you act gray ?
Some choices are clearly black or white. You do or you don't.
Pretending that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing is irrational.

And clearly to me, I make my choices based on what I think, not on how others tell me to think.

 

[dilloduck]

You're an idiot to assume the paragraph is necessarily true simply because you see people agreeing with Government acts.....but then..........you'd have to totally ignore every time that they disagree which blows the tripe pretty clean out of the water.

There's this other stuff in life for thinking people: it's called gray area.

You might be able to think gray. Can you act gray ?
Some choices are clearly black or white. You do or you don't.
Pretending that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing is irrational.

And clearly to me, I make my choices based on what I think, not on how others tell me to think.

Everyone else wants that too. Why are you for taking away my choices ?

 

[Oddball]

And clearly to me, I make my choices based on what I think, not on how others tell me to think.

In this instance, you're being told what your "choices" will or won't be...So, in fact, you have no choice.

Fool.

 

[G.T.]

You're a proponent of central planning. That never works out and invariably leads to socialist or fascist oppression and tyranny and the serfdom of the individual.

You think that people will be good enough people to choose, all on their own, to not adversely effect others and the planet, while simultaneously not thinking they're good enough to be representatives of Society via Government.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying that EVERY WAY FORWARD, is flawed.

If you don't believe that humans will grow to realize what is best for them is also best for the environment, your only other choice is to enslave them for stupidity.

Laws aren't enslavement, in my opinion.

 

[xsited1]

Right, Oddball. It's none of my business that Humans want to be gluttons about the Earth's resources, there's ways to stimy the future effects of it and you're going to cry like it's yours yours yours. You're blessed to have been BORN, and further, you're blessed to have been BORN FREE. Get over yourself.

You're a proponent of central planning. That never works out and invariably leads to socialist or fascist oppression and tyranny and the serfdom of the individual.

You think that people will be good enough people to choose, all on their own, to not adversely effect others and the planet, while simultaneously not thinking they're good enough to be representatives of Society via Government.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying that EVERY WAY FORWARD, is flawed.

You missed the point big time. Government is both welcomed and necessary. We're talking about when the government oversteps their bounds.

BTW, you're also a believer in Scarcity. Look it up.

 

[G.T.]

And clearly to me, I make my choices based on what I think, not on how others tell me to think.

In this instance, you're being told what your "choices" will or won't be...So, in fact, you have no choice.

Fool.

False. I always have the right and the choice, in this country, to protest unjust laws as loudly and as proudly as I want to.

That's the choice I have. There is a choice.

I happen to disagree that Laws based on the preservation of the environment are "sticking noses where they don't belong." Simple, as, that.

 

[Oddball]

Protesting your loss of choices doesn't restore them as a matter of course.

And your *opinion* as to what allegedly protects or destroys the environment is irrelevant, tovarich.

Try again.

 

[Dr.Drock]

You think that people will be good enough people to choose, all on their own, to not adversely effect others and the planet, while simultaneously not thinking they're good enough to be representatives of Society via Government.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying that EVERY WAY FORWARD, is flawed.

If you don't believe that humans will grow to realize what is best for them is also best for the environment, your only other choice is to enslave them for stupidity.

Laws aren't enslavement, in my opinion.

They can and can't be.

Not being allowed to grow certain plants on your property-bad law

Rape being illegal-good law

 

[dilloduck]

And clearly to me, I make my choices based on what I think, not on how others tell me to think.

In this instance, you're being told what your "choices" will or won't be...So, in fact, you have no choice.

Fool.

False. I always have the right and the choice, in this country, to protest unjust laws as loudly and as proudly as I want to.

That's the choice I have. There is a choice.

I happen to disagree that Laws based on the preservation of the environment are "sticking noses where they don't belong." Simple, as, that.

Protest all you want----you will be fined and/or jailed if you act on certain choices.

 

[G.T.]

Protesting your loss of choices doesn't restore them as a matter of course.

And your *opinion* as to what allegedly protects or destroys the environment is irrelevant, tovarich.

Try again.

and promoting a lawless society is ignorant. oddball. dude. jeff bridges fan fuckboy. names are kewl.

 

[G.T.]

In this instance, you're being told what your "choices" will or won't be...So, in fact, you have no choice.

Fool.

False. I always have the right and the choice, in this country, to protest unjust laws as loudly and as proudly as I want to.

That's the choice I have. There is a choice.

I happen to disagree that Laws based on the preservation of the environment are "sticking noses where they don't belong." Simple, as, that.

Protest all you want----you will be fined and/or jailed if you act on certain choices.

So we either all agree on all laws, agree that there are laws we disagree on and move on....or what? Laws then equal slavery? I don't think so.

 

[G.T.]

If you don't believe that humans will grow to realize what is best for them is also best for the environment, your only other choice is to enslave them for stupidity.

Laws aren't enslavement, in my opinion.

They can and can't be.

Not being allowed to grow certain plants on your property-bad law

Rape being illegal-good law

I should have said necessarily, but I didn't feel like the can of worms.

 

[rightwinger]

Conservation is for pussies

If you got the $$$$....Use as MUCH as you like

That's why no society on earth is based on Libertarianism

 

[Oddball]

Conservation is for pussies

If you got the $$$$....Use as MUCH as you like

That's why no society on earth is based on Libertarianism

Conservation at gunpoint is for tyrants, tyrant.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Man, was DeTocqueville ever prescient!

You're displaying exactly the same kind of totalitarian mindset that he warned about more than 200 years ago.

Good job, tovarich.

It's totalitarian to claim ownership of a planet that was there before you and will be there after you. You didn't build the planet, you don't have the right to speed up its tear down either.

There is no way that humans can destroy earth. It will recycle itself through ocean current patterns, matter and particulate breakdown, chemical interactions, subduction, geological processes.

No it is the arrogance of fringe enviro lovers who think, through bad science, that we could even come minutely close to destroying earth. It's laughable.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Laws aren't enslavement, in my opinion.

They can and can't be.

Not being allowed to grow certain plants on your property-bad law

Rape being illegal-good law

I should have said necessarily, but I didn't feel like the can of worms.

Fair enough