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Maintaining the status quo doesn't make him "turning toward the center"....It makes him waffling a coward.Please return to the mushroom kingdom. That about sums up your level of education.
If you haven't noticed Obama's sharp turn towards the center after he got elected then you are truly not paying attention. He is continuing plenty of Bush's policies that he spoke out against. He is still against Gay Marriage. He is still for The War on Drugs. He practically told the public option advocates to drop dead. He is for a troop increase in Afghanistan. He has done little really in my opinion for the Environment thus far. The list continues really.
Obama may of been a Liberal when he was a Senator, but things changed quickly.
Current National Debt.
09/01/2009 11,792,918,170,836.43
Right now the Obama Administration cannot borrow any money. If you go to Government - Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application) you will see that he cannot go over the 12 trillion dollar mark until Congress passes the new debt ceiling.
Therefore healthcare with a public option will NOT be in the final bill until the debt ceiling is raised. This is what the public option will do. Uncontrollably raise the national debt until our currency is worthless.
Why would you say that this is what the Public Option would do, raise the debt? The Public Option according to the Bill has to pay for itself...the premiums charged to those who CHOOSE to go with it, have to pay for it.
And the Public option can not take short cuts, it has to cover all the things the private insurers will be required to cover like preexisting conditions etc... so a true competitor to the private sector as a private coop option would be as well.
You are totally mistaken on what the Public option is...as with most people from all the disinformation that has been spread....
Current National Debt.
09/01/2009 11,792,918,170,836.43
Right now the Obama Administration cannot borrow any money. If you go to Government - Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application) you will see that he cannot go over the 12 trillion dollar mark until Congress passes the new debt ceiling.
Therefore healthcare with a public option will NOT be in the final bill until the debt ceiling is raised. This is what the public option will do. Uncontrollably raise the national debt until our currency is worthless.
Why would you say that this is what the Public Option would do, raise the debt? The Public Option according to the Bill has to pay for itself...the premiums charged to those who CHOOSE to go with it, have to pay for it.
And the Public option can not take short cuts, it has to cover all the things the private insurers will be required to cover like preexisting conditions etc... so a true competitor to the private sector as a private coop option would be as well.
You are totally mistaken on what the Public option is...as with most people from all the disinformation that has been spread....
Sadly you have no clue about what's happening this very minute with the current "public option" that's offered to senior citizens and the disabled!
Medicare/Medicaid is BROKE!
Medicare/Medicaid is rife with FRAUD!
How exactly will the public option pay for itself? With our tax dollars!!!!!
Now you think unemployed people will be paying premiums for healthcare??!!
Now you think welfare recipients who refuse to work will be paying for healthcare??!!
What fantasy world are you living in?
Only a fool thinks the government can spend the people's money better than the people who gave it to them.
Which dumps employer based coverage, resulting in a collapse of private coverage.Why would you say that this is what the Public Option would do, raise the debt? The Public Option according to the Bill has to pay for itself...the premiums charged to those who CHOOSE to go with it, have to pay for it.
And the Public option can not take short cuts, it has to cover all the things the private insurers will be required to cover like preexisting conditions etc... so a true competitor to the private sector as a private coop option would be as well.
You are totally mistaken on what the Public option is...as with most people from all the disinformation that has been spread....
Sadly you have no clue about what's happening this very minute with the current "public option" that's offered to senior citizens and the disabled!
Medicare/Medicaid is BROKE!
Medicare/Medicaid is rife with FRAUD!
How exactly will the public option pay for itself? With our tax dollars!!!!!
Now you think unemployed people will be paying premiums for healthcare??!!
Now you think welfare recipients who refuse to work will be paying for healthcare??!!
What fantasy world are you living in?
Only a fool thinks the government can spend the people's money better than the people who gave it to them.
medicare is completely different...we pay premiums, although small, for 45 years, before we become eligible for medicare....
the ''public option'' is nothing of the sort... it is just another insurance policy that people will have a choice of BUYING....that's it....and the same with the Coop option....these insurance policies HAVE TO PAY FOR THEMSELVES, through the premiums they CHARGE their policy holders...this is writen in to the bill and with no cutting corners, they must give all the benefits the private sector is required to give via the bill, such as covering pre-existing conditions, so they are not given some sort of break or anything by being able to charge less because they offer less than the minimum requirements in the bill is what i heard on C-span this morning.
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Which dumps employer based coverage, resulting in a collapse of private coverage.Sadly you have no clue about what's happening this very minute with the current "public option" that's offered to senior citizens and the disabled!
Medicare/Medicaid is BROKE!
Medicare/Medicaid is rife with FRAUD!
How exactly will the public option pay for itself? With our tax dollars!!!!!
Now you think unemployed people will be paying premiums for healthcare??!!
Now you think welfare recipients who refuse to work will be paying for healthcare??!!
What fantasy world are you living in?
Only a fool thinks the government can spend the people's money better than the people who gave it to them.
medicare is completely different...we pay premiums, although small, for 45 years, before we become eligible for medicare....
the ''public option'' is nothing of the sort... it is just another insurance policy that people will have a choice of BUYING....that's it....and the same with the Coop option....these insurance policies HAVE TO PAY FOR THEMSELVES, through the premiums they CHARGE their policy holders...this is writen in to the bill and with no cutting corners, they must give all the benefits the private sector is required to give via the bill, such as covering pre-existing conditions, so they are not given some sort of break or anything by being able to charge less because they offer less than the minimum requirements in the bill is what i heard on C-span this morning.
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Or choose the cheapest option pay the fine.Which dumps employer based coverage, resulting in a collapse of private coverage.medicare is completely different...we pay premiums, although small, for 45 years, before we become eligible for medicare....
the ''public option'' is nothing of the sort... it is just another insurance policy that people will have a choice of BUYING....that's it....and the same with the Coop option....these insurance policies HAVE TO PAY FOR THEMSELVES, through the premiums they CHARGE their policy holders...this is writen in to the bill and with no cutting corners, they must give all the benefits the private sector is required to give via the bill, such as covering pre-existing conditions, so they are not given some sort of break or anything by being able to charge less because they offer less than the minimum requirements in the bill is what i heard on C-span this morning.
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why though? the employer can buy the public option or coop option or private option...why would the employer decide to not give you health care coverage as a benefit just because he would have 3 choices, private insurance, nonprofit coop insurance or the public option policy???
the ''public option'' is nothing of the sort... it is just another insurance policy that people will have a choice of BUYING....that's it....and the same with the Coop option....these insurance policies HAVE TO PAY FOR THEMSELVES,
So, just to clarify.
Republicans have caused 10 Trillion dollars worth of debt during their administrations.
Now, after leaving Mr Obama with a massive recession, massive unemployment, and a pre-existing giant deficit...
You're all blaming Obama because the debt ceiling needs to be raised above 12 Trillion? When at LEAST 4/5 of that was run up by Repulicans?
Wow, just wow.
That's hypocrisy.
So, just to clarify.
Republicans have caused 10 Trillion dollars worth of debt during their administrations.
the ''public option'' is nothing of the sort... it is just another insurance policy that people will have a choice of BUYING....that's it....and the same with the Coop option....these insurance policies HAVE TO PAY FOR THEMSELVES,
My my my...how kniave.......
Exactly where are the poor and welfare recipients supposed to come up with "money" for these premiums? You can't answer that question because there IS NO BILL yet. However, I would venture to guess that WE, the working Americans who have always paid our fair share, will have to carry the load for all of the lazy fucks who just like to sit home, deal drugs and collect welfare.
So, just to clarify.
Republicans have caused 10 Trillion dollars worth of debt during their administrations.
So just to clarify how fucking stupid you are.......
Bush came into office with a 5.8 trillion dollar national debt.......
So, just to clarify.
Republicans have caused 10 Trillion dollars worth of debt during their administrations.
Now, after leaving Mr Obama with a massive recession, massive unemployment, and a pre-existing giant deficit...
You're all blaming Obama because the debt ceiling needs to be raised above 12 Trillion? When at LEAST 4/5 of that was run up by Repulicans?
Wow, just wow.
That's hypocrisy.
It's September. That argument might have worked back in February or March, but it's clear that it is Obama's policies prompting this. Stimulus package, escalation in Afghanistan, and this upcoming healthcare debacle.
So, just to clarify.
Republicans have caused 10 Trillion dollars worth of debt during their administrations.
So just to clarify how fucking stupid you are.......
Bush came into office with a 5.8 trillion dollar national debt.......
Caused by REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATIONS.
Why don't you "fucking" read the post before you make a "stupid fucking" comment?
So, just to clarify.
Republicans have caused 10 Trillion dollars worth of debt during their administrations.
Now, after leaving Mr Obama with a massive recession, massive unemployment, and a pre-existing giant deficit...
You're all blaming Obama because the debt ceiling needs to be raised above 12 Trillion? When at LEAST 4/5 of that was run up by Repulicans?
Wow, just wow.
That's hypocrisy.
It's September. That argument might have worked back in February or March, but it's clear that it is Obama's policies prompting this. Stimulus package, escalation in Afghanistan, and this upcoming healthcare debacle.
The stimulus that was necessary due to Bush's recession....
The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that were started by... Bush.
So, just to clarify.
Republicans have caused 10 Trillion dollars worth of debt during their administrations.
Now, after leaving Mr Obama with a massive recession, massive unemployment, and a pre-existing giant deficit...
You're all blaming Obama because the debt ceiling needs to be raised above 12 Trillion? When at LEAST 4/5 of that was run up by Repulicans?
Wow, just wow.
That's hypocrisy.
It's September. That argument might have worked back in February or March, but it's clear that it is Obama's policies prompting this. Stimulus package, escalation in Afghanistan, and this upcoming healthcare debacle.
The stimulus that was necessary due to Bush's recession....
The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that were started by... Bush.
That's TWELVE TRILLION.
Well now.
Senate must raise debt ceiling above $12T - TheHill.com
Now Obama is asking Congress to raise the debt ceiling, something lawmakers are almost certain to do despite misgivings about the federal debt. The ceiling already has been hiked three times in the past two years, and the House took action earlier this year to raise the ceiling to $13 trillion.
But in ;06, as part of the lib's plot to take advantage of a good crisis:
Democrats in control of Congress, including then-Sen. Obama (Ill.), blasted President George W. Bush for failing to contain spending when he oversaw increased deficits and raised the debt ceiling.
Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren, Obama said in a 2006 floor speech that preceded a Senate vote to extend the debt limit. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
Can you say "Hypocrisy"?
* Main Entry: hy·poc·ri·sy
* Pronunciation: \hi-ˈpä-krə-sē also hī-\
* Function: noun
* Inflected Form(s): plural hy·poc·ri·sies
* Etymology: Middle English ypocrisie, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrisis, from Greek hypokrisis act of playing a part on the stage, hypocrisy, from hypokrinesthai to answer, act on the stage, from hypo- + krinein to decide more at certain
* Date: 13th century
1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
2 : an act or instance of hypocrisy
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. ----Barack Hussein n00bama
Yes Obama, you are a failure. A massive failure. You lie like a rug and along with your merry little band of moonbats, you will say or do anytihng to gain and keep power. We get it.
You have the house, the senate, the executive and the media. You own it. And when it all comes crashng down, you will have set liberalism back decades.
