Radical right wingers ied healthcare

Who do you expect "the new folks" to be? Republicans? They've never even tried to reform health care. Why would you expect them to do it now? Why would you expect it to be any better than what we have?

and the only reason the Dems are trying to do it is because the people are calling them on this,and its a bone they can throw at everyone trying to look like the caring good guys....otherwise if nothing was being said about this,do you really think the Dems would actually give a dam?.....
 
Who do you expect "the new folks" to be? Republicans? They've never even tried to reform health care. Why would you expect them to do it now? Why would you expect it to be any better than what we have?

and the only reason the Dems are trying to do it is because the people are calling them on this,and its a bone they can throw at everyone trying to look like the caring good guys....otherwise if nothing was being said about this,do you really think the Dems would actually give a dam?.....

Yes.

Truman tried for universal health care.

Johnson did get health care for seniors.

Clinton tried for universal health care.

It's been a Democratic issue for at least 60 years.
 
Who do you expect "the new folks" to be? Republicans? They've never even tried to reform health care. Why would you expect them to do it now? Why would you expect it to be any better than what we have?

and the only reason the Dems are trying to do it is because the people are calling them on this,and its a bone they can throw at everyone trying to look like the caring good guys....otherwise if nothing was being said about this,do you really think the Dems would actually give a dam?.....

Yes.

Truman tried for universal health care.

Johnson did get health care for seniors.

Clinton tried for universal health care.

It's been a Democratic issue for at least 60 years.

the politicians of yesterday were far different from the self centered losers of today.....what they should be concentrating on is getting Ins to those who need it right now,and making some new laws that the Ins. industry MUST obey or be shutdown....like they cant turn you down for an existing condition....
 
Yes.

Truman tried for universal health care.

Johnson did get health care for seniors.

Clinton tried for universal health care.

It's been a Democratic issue for at least 60 years.

the politicians of yesterday were far different from the self centered losers of today.....what they should be concentrating on is getting Ins to those who need it right now,and making some new laws that the Ins. industry MUST obey or be shutdown....like they cant turn you down for an existing condition....

Quite a few would agree with you. They might say the Senate bill tries to do too much or the wrong thing. That may be but we have to do something. That's why passing it any way possible probably is a better idea than killing it. It can be fixed later.
 
Yes.

Truman tried for universal health care.

Johnson did get health care for seniors.

Clinton tried for universal health care.

It's been a Democratic issue for at least 60 years.

the politicians of yesterday were far different from the self centered losers of today.....what they should be concentrating on is getting Ins to those who need it right now,and making some new laws that the Ins. industry MUST obey or be shutdown....like they cant turn you down for an existing condition....

Quite a few would agree with you. They might say the Senate bill tries to do too much or the wrong thing. That may be but we have to do something. That's why passing it any way possible probably is a better idea than killing it. It can be fixed later.

What kind of bullshit thinking is this????!!!

That's like telling your wife and children to get in a car with you, it has no brakes and then saying "OK. Today we will drive down from the summit of Mt. Everest....we can get the brakes fixed when we reach the bottom."
 
Quite a few would agree with you. They might say the Senate bill tries to do too much or the wrong thing. That may be but we have to do something. That's why passing it any way possible probably is a better idea than killing it. It can be fixed later.

What kind of bullshit thinking is this????!!!

That's like telling your wife and children to get in a car with you, it has no brakes and then saying "OK. Today we will drive down from the summit of Mt. Everest....we can get the brakes fixed when we reach the bottom."

Nonsense.

It's like getting into a car with no heater to drive to the repair shop to get the heater fixed.
 
Yes.

Truman tried for universal health care.

Johnson did get health care for seniors.

Clinton tried for universal health care.

It's been a Democratic issue for at least 60 years.

the politicians of yesterday were far different from the self centered losers of today.....what they should be concentrating on is getting Ins to those who need it right now,and making some new laws that the Ins. industry MUST obey or be shutdown....like they cant turn you down for an existing condition....

Quite a few would agree with you. They might say the Senate bill tries to do too much or the wrong thing. That may be but we have to do something. That's why passing it any way possible probably is a better idea than killing it. It can be fixed later.
We're going to pay for a broken bill that doesn't work now for close to a trillion dollars. Fix it later? And that cost will be just what? What your suggesting is just ludicrous.

We have to get it right the first time, when the costs Are known, and everyone understands what the prize is.
Geeze, lets get anything passed and fix it later....that's stupid.
 
The problem is with the Dem party. They are fighting themselves and I for one am down on my knees THANKING GOD for that.

Go Dems. I hope this drags on till 2010 and then mayby these Schmucks will be voted out of office and then mayby the new folks can actually REFORM healthcare.

Who do you expect "the new folks" to be? Republicans? They've never even tried to reform health care. Why would you expect them to do it now? Why would you expect it to be any better than what we have?

tell me more about the AMA "loosening up and making more doctors".

how does that work, exactly?

Read all about it:

But how has the AMA managed to get away with such princely remuneration that ordinary mortals in other professions—even ones such as law and engineering that also require arduous training—can only dream of? After all, in a functioning market, a profession offering such handsome returns would become a magnet for more people who, over time, would bid down "excess" wages.

But that's not how it has worked in medicine since 1910 when the Flexner report, commissioned by the AMA, declared that a surplus of substandard medical schools in the country were producing a surplus of substandard doctors. The AMA convinced lawmakers to shut down "deficient" medical schools, drastically paring back the supply of doctors almost 30 percent over 30 years. Few new medical schools have been allowed to open since the 1980s.

Still, the AMA along with other industry organizations until recently had issued dire warnings of an impending physician "glut" (whatever that means beyond depressing member wages), even convincing Congress to limit the number of residencies it funds to about 100,000 a year. This imposes a de facto cap on new doctors every year given that without completing their residencies from accredited medical schools, physicians cannot obtain a license to legally practice medicine in the U.S. Even foreign doctors with years of experience in their home countries have to redo their residencies—along with taking a slew of exams—before they are allowed to practice here.

The Evil-Mongering of the American Medical Association
 
the politicians of yesterday were far different from the self centered losers of today.....what they should be concentrating on is getting Ins to those who need it right now,and making some new laws that the Ins. industry MUST obey or be shutdown....like they cant turn you down for an existing condition....

Quite a few would agree with you. They might say the Senate bill tries to do too much or the wrong thing. That may be but we have to do something. That's why passing it any way possible probably is a better idea than killing it. It can be fixed later.

We're going to pay for a broken bill that doesn't work now for close to a trillion dollars. Fix it later? And that cost will be just what?

Who cares!

We'll get it all back in lower health care costs, greater work force productivity and all the blessings of a healthy population.
 
Quite a few would agree with you. They might say the Senate bill tries to do too much or the wrong thing. That may be but we have to do something. That's why passing it any way possible probably is a better idea than killing it. It can be fixed later.

We're going to pay for a broken bill that doesn't work now for close to a trillion dollars. Fix it later? And that cost will be just what?

Who cares!

We'll get it all back in lower health care costs, greater work force productivity and all the blessings of a healthy population.

WHO CARES??????? Let's just say the vast majority of Americans CARE.
Your pie in the sky dream is really juvenile.
The healthcare costs are not going to be lower, the premiums are not going to be lower, all indications are is that they will be raised.
Not everyone will have healthcare when all is said and done.
Drink another gallon or so of your Kool Aid.
Other than all that, have a great day, steel
 
I'll say it one more time... The system does not need to be overhauled, just tweaked so the less fortunate can have some form of health care. This is nothing more than a power-grab for the Socialists, they are not interested in providing health care, they just want to control it. The majority have spoken. Live with it. It's still possible however that the Dems could shove something up our ass they won't even let us see. If that's the case, enjoy those mid-terms. :)
 
Settle down, some form of healthcare will pass, they have the votes for it now.


I'm not sure they have the votes yet...not until taxpayer funded abortion is struck from the bill:

The concessions appeared to be having the desired effect. Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut said Tuesday that presuming any government plan or Medicare expansion stays out of the bill, "then I'm going to be in a position where I can say what I've wanted to say all along: that I'm ready to vote for health care reform."

But another key moderate, Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., was still withholding his support as he seeks stronger abortion restrictions in the bill, among other issues.

"I have spoken with the president and he knows they are not wrapped up today," Nelson told reporters as he and other senators boarded buses outside the Capitol for a rare trip down Pennsylvania Avenue to the White House.

That article is only 28 minutes old.

Send an e-mail to Senator Nelson thanking him for his firm stand here:

You mean the threat to CLOSE an Air Force Base in Nebraska wasn't enough to make Senator Nelson change his mind?
 
Untrue, T.

Nelson and Libermann have been told today to get in line or the Senate leadership goes with the 50 plus 1 reconciliation move to pass health reform with a public option.

This is going to happen.
 
Yes.

Truman tried for universal health care.

Johnson did get health care for seniors.

Clinton tried for universal health care.

It's been a Democratic issue for at least 60 years.

the politicians of yesterday were far different from the self centered losers of today.....what they should be concentrating on is getting Ins to those who need it right now,and making some new laws that the Ins. industry MUST obey or be shutdown....like they cant turn you down for an existing condition....

Quite a few would agree with you. They might say the Senate bill tries to do too much or the wrong thing. That may be but we have to do something. That's why passing it any way possible probably is a better idea than killing it. It can be fixed later.

fixed later?.....you mean after there is total chaos and nobody has ins.?.....yea that will work....
 
Quite a few would agree with you. They might say the Senate bill tries to do too much or the wrong thing. That may be but we have to do something. That's why passing it any way possible probably is a better idea than killing it. It can be fixed later.

We're going to pay for a broken bill that doesn't work now for close to a trillion dollars. Fix it later? And that cost will be just what?

Who cares!

We'll get it all back in lower health care costs, greater work force productivity and all the blessings of a healthy population.
give me some of what you are smoking Joe......i can use it....:lol:
 
Who cares!

We'll get it all back in lower health care costs, greater work force productivity and all the blessings of a healthy population.

WHO CARES??????? Let's just say the vast majority of Americans CARE.
Your pie in the sky dream is really juvenile.
The healthcare costs are not going to be lower, the premiums are not going to be lower, all indications are is that they will be raised.
Not everyone will have healthcare when all is said and done.
Drink another gallon or so of your Kool Aid.
Other than all that, have a great day, steel


i must Concur Joe.....the WHO CARES was kinda..... stupid.....
 
Untrue, T.

Nelson and Libermann have been told today to get in line or the Senate leadership goes with the 50 plus 1 reconciliation move to pass health reform with a public option.

This is going to happen.

At their detriment, and the detriment of many come next year. I guess you are saying that they don't CARE?

Keep thinking that. And Nelson was threatened with the CLOSING of an AF Base in his District if he didn't play ball...

Source: White House threatening Sen. Nelson with military base closures in Neb. | Washington Examiner

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yes Yes, I know Nelson has tried to say it's false...

But lest we forget the "New Lousiana Purchase" Of 2009 that persuaded Mary Landrieu to play ball courtesty of Obama?

The Louisiana Purchase: Was Senator Landrieu Bribed to Vote For Cloture?

Sorry. *I* don't trust these creeps as you appear to...

Whether this happens or NOT? MANY public offices within the DC Sphere are in jepoardy...and they know this...plus opposition (Overwhelming), from the American people?

-Otherwise- This shit woulda passed IF the support was so STRONG, as we are continually told by Obama/Pelosi/Reid...ad nausem...


Sure they pass this? Career OVER...
So please tell me this is gonna happen again>?

You are like AESOP...
 
You, like most reactionary wing nuts, are impotent in your ranting and raving.

The bill will pass next week. The extent will depend on how much Liebermann and Nelson hold out. If they do, then the bill will be much more extensive than it is now.
 
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