quote from nuremberg trials still highly relevant today

[code1211]

So what was that point, genius?

The point was that it is very easy for Political Leaders to manipulate the masses by lies, deception and fear.

Apparently not.

Really?

 

[Old Rocks]

What Goering said is applicable only a Nationalist-socialist or fascist society where the government controls information. Why do you think thousand year old civilizations like Egypt still live in dirt poverty? Freedom you fools. The USA is the greatest Country the world has ever known because of freedom. The first item in the Bill of Rights gives freedom to the press. The Constitution allows us to change presidents every four years and congressmen every two years and shorter than that if necessary. Anyone who would would take a statement like this from a Nazi and try to apply it to the United States is an ignorant fool.

Really? Where then is the WMD that Iraq had? All those tons of material and nuclear material, just where did it go? And what have we gained from that war, other than massive debt and poverty for many? Look at the companies that made billions off of that war, Halliburton is now a foreign corperation as is Blackwater.

I would have to say that the quote in the OP is entirely applicable to our invasion of Iraq on the basis of lies.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ok, since Blu has said this has nothing to do with our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, maybe he would like to explain what it IS about? Why out of the "blu" he posted this when he had no point?

You would really like to pretend that is so. That quote has everything to do with our invasion of Iraq.

 

[Old Rocks]

He posted it to make a point, a valid one.

But no where did he say "Americans are no better than Nazis". If you have to make things up in order to argue a point, you might want to work on that a little.

So what was that point, genius?

The "point" seems pretty obvious. People can be led to do things by associating opposition with things that are reviled.

In this case, wanting peace in the face of war mongering leadership brings a challenge to one's patriotism. This happens in the ramp up to war in every case, every time.

It happened in 2002 and 3 around here.

However, it happens in all led by the nose issues. In the health care debate, the Democrat promise was healthcare for everyone and the FACT that this care would cost through the nose for those who cannot afford it was somehow glossed over.

If you were against the Obamacare swindle, you were against healthcare for poor children.

Same lie. Different topic.

OK, Code, since the same people voted against the healthcare for children as voted against the present health care bill, you are clearly making a false statement.

I would far rather have seen us go, in one step, to a Canadian or Japanese system. However, we had to settle for crumbs, once again.

 

[midcan5]

...Anyone who would would take a statement like this from a Nazi and try to apply it to the United States is an ignorant fool.

I think you missed the point - they already have and Iraq proved it in our so called modern sophisticated contemporary time. 'Freedom' is one of the words that mean whatever the speaker wants it to mean.


Check this book out for those interested in words and power. [ame=http://www.amazon.com/What-Orwell-Didnt-Know-Propaganda/dp/1586485601/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1296999587&sr=1-1]Amazon.com: What Orwell Didn't Know: Propaganda and the New Face of American Politics (9781586485603): Andras Szanto, Orville Schell: Books[/ame]


'A Conversation With Herman Goering'

"During the Nuremberg Trials in Germany after World War 2, Nazi leader Herman Goering was interviewed by Gustav Gilbert, an American intelligence officer. Goering said: "Of course the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. . . . But after all it is the leaders of the country that determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along."

Gustav Gilbert replied: "There is one difference. In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in America only Congress can declare wars."

Goering replied: "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the will of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."


"The aide [purported to be Karl Rove] said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."" Ron Suskind http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html
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[Old Rocks]

It is unfortunate that Rove didn't get to accept the reality that so many of our servicemen and women had to accept coming back from Iraq in a basket.

 

[The Rabbi]

The point was that it is very easy for Political Leaders to manipulate the masses by lies, deception and fear.

Apparently not.

Really?

Yup. Apparently the point is that George Bush is a Nazi follower of Goehring because he lied us into war just Goehring predicted.
Frankly the old Bush is Hitler meme is geting kind of stale. So is Blu and the usual anti American crowd here.
I wonder if these same geniuses said the same thing about WW2.

 

[blu]

Ok, since Blu has said this has nothing to do with our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, maybe he would like to explain what it IS about? Why out of the "blu" he posted this when he had no point?

your projection is killing me

 

[The Rabbi]

Ok, since Blu has said this has nothing to do with our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, maybe he would like to explain what it IS about? Why out of the "blu" he posted this when he had no point?

your projection is killing me

Wow if that were all it took....

 

[elvis]

Ok, since Blu has said this has nothing to do with our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, maybe he would like to explain what it IS about? Why out of the "blu" he posted this when he had no point?

You would really like to pretend that is so. That quote has everything to do with our invasion of Iraq.

which half the ossiah's cabinet supported.

 

[Trajan]

Another view of war that's still relevant:

"The choice facing the world is 'stark and dreadful and inescapable: shall we put an end to the human race; or shall mankind renounce war?'"

Albert Einstein and Bertrand Russell quoted in Noam Chomsky's Failed States copyright 2006 P.3

ha!


here ya george......i looked this up for you specifically

The Big Lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, for a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."

Big Lie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

Apparently not.

Really?

Yup. Apparently the point is that George Bush is a Nazi follower of Goehring because he lied us into war just Goehring predicted.
Frankly the old Bush is Hitler meme is geting kind of stale. So is Blu and the usual anti American crowd here.
I wonder if these same geniuses said the same thing about WW2.

How much money did the Bush family make from WW2?

More that WW1?

Korea? Vietnam? Afghanistan? Iraq?

Next?

 

[georgephillip]

Another view of war that's still relevant:

"The choice facing the world is 'stark and dreadful and inescapable: shall we put an end to the human race; or shall mankind renounce war?'"

Albert Einstein and Bertrand Russell quoted in Noam Chomsky's Failed States copyright 2006 P.3

ha!


here ya george......i looked this up for you specifically

The Big Lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, for a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."

Big Lie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The phrase was also used in a report prepared during the war by the United States Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler's psychological profile:[3][4]

"His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.[5]"

Does this sound like anyone you've ever voted for?

Big Lie - Wiki

 

[Trajan]

Another view of war that's still relevant:

"The choice facing the world is 'stark and dreadful and inescapable: shall we put an end to the human race; or shall mankind renounce war?'"

Albert Einstein and Bertrand Russell quoted in Noam Chomsky's Failed States copyright 2006 P.3

ha!


here ya george......i looked this up for you specifically

The Big Lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, for a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."

Big Lie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The phrase was also used in a report prepared during the war by the United States Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler's psychological profile:[3][4]

"His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.[5]"

Does this sound like anyone you've ever voted for?

Big Lie - Wiki

I didn't vote for obama....oh and McCain neither...sorry.

 

[daveman]

Perhaps you should report people who disagree to [email protected].

 

[elvis]

ha!


here ya george......i looked this up for you specifically

The Big Lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, for a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."

Big Lie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The phrase was also used in a report prepared during the war by the United States Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler's psychological profile:[3][4]

"His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.[5]"

Does this sound like anyone you've ever voted for?

Big Lie - Wiki

I didn't vote for obama....oh and McCain neither...sorry.

Baldwin or Barr?

 

[Sheldon]

I bet there's a quote from some Roman Empire general making the same point, just articulated differently.

While I think social media could become a hedge against the dissemination of government propaganda, the debate tactics of "with us or against us" can still be effective because it pulls on peoples guilt trips, especially when soldiers and flag-waving are involved.

And it doesn't even need to be confined to war.

 

[blu]

Ok, since Blu has said this has nothing to do with our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, maybe he would like to explain what it IS about? Why out of the "blu" he posted this when he had no point?

your projection is killing me

Wow if that were all it took....

what a fool you are, go back to stormfront

 

[elvis]

your projection is killing me

Wow if that were all it took....

what a fool you are, go back to stormfront

Um, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't fit in at Stormfront.

 

[blu]

Apparently not.

Really?

Yup. Apparently the point is that George Bush is a Nazi follower of Goehring because he lied us into war just Goehring predicted.
Frankly the old Bush is Hitler meme is geting kind of stale. So is Blu and the usual anti American crowd here.
I wonder if these same geniuses said the same thing about WW2.

george bush wasn't a nazi, but his granddad prescott was. it took an act of congress for him to pull his funding of hitler