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A God could hide? That sounds like a belief, not observation or fact. Everything in this universe is impermanent.There is no evidence in nature for "eternal" existence. Feel free to point to ANYTHING in the universe that is ever lasting.You can test it scientifically through observation. All beings die. Plants die. Planets die and come into existence. It's a universal phenomenon. Show me anything in nature you think is ever lasting.I edited my last post to you but I respect your right to believe that.
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Good luck.
Well the Bible says that men use to live for nearly 1,000 years whereas today an average lifespan is 75 years...hypothetically if man could live for 1,000 years, there could be a "God" who lives eternally...but that is just belief like you (you specifically I mean and not the word "you" to mean people generally) couldn't prove that there isn't a God who lives eternally but you are just going from your knowledge and belief.
But like I said, the Buddha apostatized from Hinduism didn't he?
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A God could hide him or her self if he or she wanted to.
So you just believe but can not prove that nothing in existence lives for ever, like someone can believe but be unable to prove that there is a God who lives forever.
But I'm an Agnostic...if I were involved in a religion it would more than likely involve an entity that is to be worshiped (a God or a Deity.) But you sound like you are a Buddhist. Did the Buddha apostatize from Hinduism?
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It's not a belief, it's the ways things abide in this universe. They are impermanent. If you think you're an eternal being, then when you die you'll find out that you died.A God could hide? That sounds like a belief, not observation or fact. Everything in this universe is impermanent.There is no evidence in nature for "eternal" existence. Feel free to point to ANYTHING in the universe that is ever lasting.You can test it scientifically through observation. All beings die. Plants die. Planets die and come into existence. It's a universal phenomenon. Show me anything in nature you think is ever lasting.
Good luck.
Well the Bible says that men use to live for nearly 1,000 years whereas today an average lifespan is 75 years...hypothetically if man could live for 1,000 years, there could be a "God" who lives eternally...but that is just belief like you (you specifically I mean and not the word "you" to mean people generally) couldn't prove that there isn't a God who lives eternally but you are just going from your knowledge and belief.
But like I said, the Buddha apostatized from Hinduism didn't he?
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A God could hide him or her self if he or she wanted to.
So you just believe but can not prove that nothing in existence lives for ever, like someone can believe but be unable to prove that there is a God who lives forever.
But I'm an Agnostic...if I were involved in a religion it would more than likely involve an entity that is to be worshiped (a God or a Deity.) But you sound like you are a Buddhist. Did the Buddha apostatize from Hinduism?
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I respect your right to believe that.
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...the word "apostate" is definitely not an imaginary word...
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It's not one I hear many people use, or a reason to kill anyone.
Apostate? I never use that term.
It's not a belief, it's the ways things abide in this universe. They are impermanent. If you think you're an eternal being, then when you die you'll find out that you died.A God could hide? That sounds like a belief, not observation or fact. Everything in this universe is impermanent.There is no evidence in nature for "eternal" existence. Feel free to point to ANYTHING in the universe that is ever lasting.Well the Bible says that men use to live for nearly 1,000 years whereas today an average lifespan is 75 years...hypothetically if man could live for 1,000 years, there could be a "God" who lives eternally...but that is just belief like you (you specifically I mean and not the word "you" to mean people generally) couldn't prove that there isn't a God who lives eternally but you are just going from your knowledge and belief.
But like I said, the Buddha apostatized from Hinduism didn't he?
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A God could hide him or her self if he or she wanted to.
So you just believe but can not prove that nothing in existence lives for ever, like someone can believe but be unable to prove that there is a God who lives forever.
But I'm an Agnostic...if I were involved in a religion it would more than likely involve an entity that is to be worshiped (a God or a Deity.) But you sound like you are a Buddhist. Did the Buddha apostatize from Hinduism?
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I respect your right to believe that.
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Feel free to scientifically test whether it's true that everything, the universe, it's contents and the beings therein are impermanent.It's not a belief, it's the ways things abide in this universe. They are impermanent. If you think you're an eternal being, then when you die you'll find out that you died.A God could hide? That sounds like a belief, not observation or fact. Everything in this universe is impermanent.There is no evidence in nature for "eternal" existence. Feel free to point to ANYTHING in the universe that is ever lasting.
A God could hide him or her self if he or she wanted to.
So you just believe but can not prove that nothing in existence lives for ever, like someone can believe but be unable to prove that there is a God who lives forever.
But I'm an Agnostic...if I were involved in a religion it would more than likely involve an entity that is to be worshiped (a God or a Deity.) But you sound like you are a Buddhist. Did the Buddha apostatize from Hinduism?
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I respect your right to believe that.
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I respect your right to believe that...
Peace & Love,
A1977
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Feel free to scientifically test whether it's true that everything, the universe, it's contents and the beings therein are impermanent.It's not a belief, it's the ways things abide in this universe. They are impermanent. If you think you're an eternal being, then when you die you'll find out that you died.A God could hide? That sounds like a belief, not observation or fact. Everything in this universe is impermanent.A God could hide him or her self if he or she wanted to.
So you just believe but can not prove that nothing in existence lives for ever, like someone can believe but be unable to prove that there is a God who lives forever.
But I'm an Agnostic...if I were involved in a religion it would more than likely involve an entity that is to be worshiped (a God or a Deity.) But you sound like you are a Buddhist. Did the Buddha apostatize from Hinduism?
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I respect your right to believe that.
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I respect your right to believe that...
Peace & Love,
A1977
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It seems to want to call that fact a "belief". That's fine. In that case, you're well on your way to believing in God, since you think permanence is what's true.
I don't see where I referred to you as an "it".Feel free to scientifically test whether it's true that everything, the universe, it's contents and the beings therein are impermanent.It's not a belief, it's the ways things abide in this universe. They are impermanent. If you think you're an eternal being, then when you die you'll find out that you died.A God could hide? That sounds like a belief, not observation or fact. Everything in this universe is impermanent.
I respect your right to believe that.
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I respect your right to believe that...
Peace & Love,
A1977
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It seems to want to call that fact a "belief". That's fine. In that case, you're well on your way to believing in God, since you think permanence is what's true.
:-D I'm not an it brother or sister, if that was not a typo. But you cannot prove that there isn't a God who lives forever. So it's actually just a belief. But I'm leaving the site right now...intend to return later on.
Peace, Love, and Blessings,
A1977
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I don't see where I referred to you as an "it".Feel free to scientifically test whether it's true that everything, the universe, it's contents and the beings therein are impermanent.It's not a belief, it's the ways things abide in this universe. They are impermanent. If you think you're an eternal being, then when you die you'll find out that you died.I respect your right to believe that.
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I respect your right to believe that...
Peace & Love,
A1977
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It seems to want to call that fact a "belief". That's fine. In that case, you're well on your way to believing in God, since you think permanence is what's true.
:-D I'm not an it brother or sister, if that was not a typo. But you cannot prove that there isn't a God who lives forever. So it's actually just a belief. But I'm leaving the site right now...intend to return later on.
Peace, Love, and Blessings,
A1977
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I'm sorry you thought I did. It's not my intention.
I don't require you to prove the existence of God. I'm saying that impermanence meets scientific standards whereas belief in God does not.
Jesus told Peter that he would deny him three times in one night just hours before he actually did it...... How could Peter have done such a thing?Yeah...my focus was just on did he become a disbeliever in Jesus.
"Turned to iniquity" is what Acts says. Jesus teaches against iniquity; ergo, pretty simple to me that he became a disbeliever.
I don't see how Judas could seriously not believe in Jesus as The Messiah unless he'd witnessed something that convinced him otherwise. As a close follower of Jesus he must have been witness to a number of miracles, and just one would be enough to convince most people. If you knew for a fact that Jesus really did have incredible supernatural powers, who in their right mind would risk eternal damnation by betraying him for some cash? Ridiculous.
The only way the story even begins to make sense is if you take the Gospel of Judas to be part of the story, according to which Jesus commanded Judas to hand him over to the priests of the Sanhedrin. Which doesn't make a lot of sense either, but it makes more sense than the first story.
Yeah...my focus was just on did he become a disbeliever in Jesus.
"Turned to iniquity" is what Acts says. Jesus teaches against iniquity; ergo, pretty simple to me that he became a disbeliever.
I don't see how Judas could seriously not believe in Jesus as The Messiah unless he'd witnessed something that convinced him otherwise. As a close follower of Jesus he must have been witness to a number of miracles, and just one would be enough to convince most people. If you knew for a fact that Jesus really did have incredible supernatural powers, who in their right mind would risk eternal damnation by betraying him for some cash? Ridiculous.
The only way the story even begins to make sense is if you take the Gospel of Judas to be part of the story, according to which Jesus commanded Judas to hand him over to the priests of the Sanhedrin. Which doesn't make a lot of sense either, but it makes more sense than the first story.
Actually the 4 Gospels say that "Satan" entered Judas right before his betraying Jesus. I don't remember which Gospel says that...I think maybe, Mark?...
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How do you study a religion "scientifically"?
Belief isn't necessary to religion. Acceptance of some of the tenets of that religion is necessary. Buddhism, for example, is non-theistic. At the same time, it discusses the "truth of suffering and impermanence."
Surely, suffering and impermanence are natural facts of existence.
You can test it scientifically through observation. All beings die. Plants die. Planets die and come into existence. It's a universal phenomenon. Show me anything in nature you think is ever lasting.
Good luck.
Yeah...my focus was just on did he become a disbeliever in Jesus.
"Turned to iniquity" is what Acts says. Jesus teaches against iniquity; ergo, pretty simple to me that he became a disbeliever.
I don't see how Judas could seriously not believe in Jesus as The Messiah unless he'd witnessed something that convinced him otherwise. As a close follower of Jesus he must have been witness to a number of miracles, and just one would be enough to convince most people. If you knew for a fact that Jesus really did have incredible supernatural powers, who in their right mind would risk eternal damnation by betraying him for some cash? Ridiculous.
The only way the story even begins to make sense is if you take the Gospel of Judas to be part of the story, according to which Jesus commanded Judas to hand him over to the priests of the Sanhedrin. Which doesn't make a lot of sense either, but it makes more sense than the first story.
Actually the 4 Gospels say that "Satan" entered Judas right before his betraying Jesus. I don't remember which Gospel says that...I think maybe, Mark?...
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Actually only two of the Gospels, Luke and John, give that accounting. Mark and Matthew really don't provide an explanation for why Judas chose to betray Jesus and it has led to a lot of speculation.
Just as a minor point of clarification, when you say "the 4 gospels say" it reads as though you suggest it says that in each gospel. You can't take the gospels as one work, because they are all very different, they focus on different things, they are making different points, and they can be very contradictory. I believe that in order to get a good understanding of what is written you have to let each gospel stand as its own work and keep on mind the grand message that the author was trying to convey.
Good answer. Consider though, that love is a feeling and a state of mind and it isn't always evident, 24/7, 365 a year.You can test it scientifically through observation. All beings die. Plants die. Planets die and come into existence. It's a universal phenomenon. Show me anything in nature you think is ever lasting.
Good luck.
Love
That's scholarship but not the scientific method.How do you study a religion "scientifically"?
You approach it from the perspective of scholarship instead of a believer. I am a man of faith, but I read the Bible in two very different ways. Sometimes I read looking for spiritual guidance and learning, but usually I am conducting research meaning I am not so interested in how scripture applies to my life, but more interested in putting scripture into its proper historical, cultural, and linguistic perspective in an effort to determine what the author was really trying to say instead of simply what it means to me (or want it to mean). This is how Biblical scholars approach it, and afterwards they (or their students) may or may not find some spiritual application for their lives.
How do you study a religion "scientifically"?
You approach it from the perspective of scholarship instead of a believer. I am a man of faith, but I read the Bible in two very different ways. Sometimes I read looking for spiritual guidance and learning, but usually I am conducting research meaning I am not so interested in how scripture applies to my life, but more interested in putting scripture into its proper historical, cultural, and linguistic perspective in an effort to determine what the author was really trying to say instead of simply what it means to me (or want it to mean). This is how Biblical scholars approach it, and afterwards they (or their students) may or may not find some spiritual application for their lives.