Punishing 'Bad' Speech.....or Not.

[Delta4Embassy]

Hell I came to the same conclusions this guy did in the other threads about it. Whoda thunk, we agree on something.

I'd like to read it.....gimme a link.

Took a sec to find

White college fraternity in Oklahoma shut down for overt racism Page 5 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

last post page 5 no. 150 onwards.

I see....post # 72

72's from last night when I only had one brief glimpse of the video on tv. 150 on is with more info and reflection.

I see...


So....Looks like the student body responded correctly.

Not really. Way to handle it properly was not put the issue on national news. Now every racist fraternity, group, and individual's sending those guys job offers, copying their chant, and basicly a limited scope problem has exploded into a much bigger one.

Don't fight racism by giving it a bullhorn.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Sitting here at the moment listening to an interview with Michael Myers....
...no, not the guy in the horror flic...."Halloween,"....

1. This Michael Myers:

"Michael Meyers is President and Executive Director of the New York Civil Rights Coalition (NYCRC), which he co-founded in 1986.
Michael Meyers, as a columnist for THE NEW YORK POST, has published extensively on issues of race relations, urban affairs, education, housing, police abuse, civil liberties and civil rights. His articles have also appeared in law reviews, scholarly journals, periodicals and newspapers,....."
Executive Director New York Civil Rights Coalition

Clearly, Myers has a degree of expertise and experience in civil rights matters.
Yes, he is black.



2. I list the above because of his opinion on this topic:

"The University of Oklahoma closed a fraternity linked to a video of students singing racial epithets, ordered its members to move out of the house and labeled the actions of those involved “disgraceful.”

“Effective immediately, all ties and affiliations between the university and the local SAE (Sigma Alpha Epsilon) chapter are hereby severed,” University President David Boren said on Monday.
In the 10-second video posted online on Sunday and replayed by media outlets, students on a bus chanted in unison, using offensive language referring to blacks and vowing to never admit them into the fraternity."
Fraternity members ordered off campus after racist video surfaces New York Post

3. If easily 'offended,' don't watch this vid...





4. Myers emphatically states that this fraternity should not be thrown off campus....and no student not tied the vid should be disciplined.
It's called due process.


He is correct.



5. The answer to bad speech is good speech.
Them them what you think of what they have done.
This is college....where better to have debate????

6. "Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S.444 (1969), was a landmark United States Supreme Courtcase based on the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
The Brandenburg test (also known as the imminent lawless action test)
The three distinct elements of this test (intent, imminence, and likelihood) have distinct precedential lineages.

....The Brandenburg intent standard is more speech-protective than Hand's formulation, which contained no temporal element.

The imminence element was a departure from earlier rulings. Brandenburg did not explicitly overrule the bad tendency test, but it appears that after Brandenburg, the test is de facto overruled. The Brandenburg test effectively made the time element of the clear and present danger test more defined and more rigorous."
Brandenburg v. Ohio - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Although this is a restriction on governmental punishment....it should be applied here, too.


7. Where did the idea originate that black folks are like Fabergé eggs, and more fragile than anyone else?
Everyone of us has had insults in one form or another hurled at us.....and we shrug and move on.

I'm for free speech in America.

Or....are you of the knee-jerk Liberal response, punish anything you don't agree with?

If you're for free speech, why were you having a hysterical episode of pissing and moaning yesterday over the NY Times' freedom to publish a picture you didn't like?

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC cant talk about anti-antisemitism because shes not Jewish

But she can talk about racism because shes black...I mean not black

No, you imbecile....I'm addressing free speech.

You, being a totalitarian, are unable to discuss the subject as it is anathema to your kind.

 

[NYcarbineer]

4. Myers emphatically states that this fraternity should not be thrown off campus....and no student not tied the vid should be disciplined.
It's called due process.


He is correct.

The fraternity closed their U of OK site. Are you suggesting that government should intervene to prevent them from doing that?

 

[NYcarbineer]

PC cant talk about anti-antisemitism because shes not Jewish

But she can talk about racism because shes black...I mean not black

No, you imbecile....I'm addressing free speech.

You, being a totalitarian, are unable to discuss the subject as it is anathema to your kind.

You weren't defending the NY Times yesterday, you were trashing it.

Did you find 'free speech' in your rice bowl this morning?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sitting here at the moment listening to an interview with Michael Myers....
...no, not the guy in the horror flic...."Halloween,"....

1. This Michael Myers:

"Michael Meyers is President and Executive Director of the New York Civil Rights Coalition (NYCRC), which he co-founded in 1986.
Michael Meyers, as a columnist for THE NEW YORK POST, has published extensively on issues of race relations, urban affairs, education, housing, police abuse, civil liberties and civil rights. His articles have also appeared in law reviews, scholarly journals, periodicals and newspapers,....."
Executive Director New York Civil Rights Coalition

Clearly, Myers has a degree of expertise and experience in civil rights matters.
Yes, he is black.



2. I list the above because of his opinion on this topic:

"The University of Oklahoma closed a fraternity linked to a video of students singing racial epithets, ordered its members to move out of the house and labeled the actions of those involved “disgraceful.”

“Effective immediately, all ties and affiliations between the university and the local SAE (Sigma Alpha Epsilon) chapter are hereby severed,” University President David Boren said on Monday.
In the 10-second video posted online on Sunday and replayed by media outlets, students on a bus chanted in unison, using offensive language referring to blacks and vowing to never admit them into the fraternity."
Fraternity members ordered off campus after racist video surfaces New York Post

3. If easily 'offended,' don't watch this vid...





4. Myers emphatically states that this fraternity should not be thrown off campus....and no student not tied the vid should be disciplined.
It's called due process.


He is correct.



5. The answer to bad speech is good speech.
Them them what you think of what they have done.
This is college....where better to have debate????

6. "Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S.444 (1969), was a landmark United States Supreme Courtcase based on the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
The Brandenburg test (also known as the imminent lawless action test)
The three distinct elements of this test (intent, imminence, and likelihood) have distinct precedential lineages.

....The Brandenburg intent standard is more speech-protective than Hand's formulation, which contained no temporal element.

The imminence element was a departure from earlier rulings. Brandenburg did not explicitly overrule the bad tendency test, but it appears that after Brandenburg, the test is de facto overruled. The Brandenburg test effectively made the time element of the clear and present danger test more defined and more rigorous."
Brandenburg v. Ohio - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Although this is a restriction on governmental punishment....it should be applied here, too.


7. Where did the idea originate that black folks are like Fabergé eggs, and more fragile than anyone else?
Everyone of us has had insults in one form or another hurled at us.....and we shrug and move on.

I'm for free speech in America.

Or....are you of the knee-jerk Liberal response, punish anything you don't agree with?

If you're for free speech, why were you having a hysterical episode of pissing and moaning yesterday over the NY Times' freedom to publish a picture you didn't like?

Ah! The NYLiar exercising his yearning for the Liberal house organ the NYSlimes.

Did I demand any punishment for the Times other than exposing their bias?




Smashed you again, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

4. Myers emphatically states that this fraternity should not be thrown off campus....and no student not tied the vid should be disciplined.
It's called due process.


He is correct.

The fraternity closed their U of OK site. Are you suggesting that government should intervene to prevent them from doing that?

Can you provide any such suggestion on my part....or are you burnishing your credentials as a low-life?

 

[ClosedCaption]

PC cant talk about anti-antisemitism because shes not Jewish

But she can talk about racism because shes black...I mean not black

No, you imbecile....I'm addressing free speech.

You, being a totalitarian, are unable to discuss the subject as it is anathema to your kind.

You repeatedly said blacks were fragile and when asked about Jews you said you werent jewish.

Are you black? Or are Jews fragile also...or is it different because....something?

I'm guessing the latter

 

[NYcarbineer]

This the creed of the SAE fraternity:

The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds from good will and an acute sense of propriety, and whose self-control is equal to all emergencies; who does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty, the obscure man of his obscurity, or any man of his inferiority or deformity; who is himself humbled if necessity compels him to humble another; who does not flatter wealth, cringe before power, or boast of his own possessions or achievements; who speaks with frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy; whose deed follows his word; who thinks of the rights and feelings of others, rather than his own; and who appears well in any company, a man with whom honor is sacred and virtue safe.

Sounds pretty dang liberal to me lol.

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC cant talk about anti-antisemitism because shes not Jewish

But she can talk about racism because shes black...I mean not black

No, you imbecile....I'm addressing free speech.

You, being a totalitarian, are unable to discuss the subject as it is anathema to your kind.

You weren't defending the NY Times yesterday, you were trashing it.

Did you find 'free speech' in your rice bowl this morning?

Can you provide any posts of mine that suggest that I was "...defending the NY Times yesterday,"...

...or is this one more variety of lie you've come up with?


You won't respond to this query, will you, you gutter snipe.

 

[NYcarbineer]

4. Myers emphatically states that this fraternity should not be thrown off campus....and no student not tied the vid should be disciplined.
It's called due process.


He is correct.

The fraternity closed their U of OK site. Are you suggesting that government should intervene to prevent them from doing that?

Can you provide any such suggestion on my part....or are you burnishing your credentials as a low-life?

Invoking 'free speech' and citing court cases would be a good start.

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC cant talk about anti-antisemitism because shes not Jewish

But she can talk about racism because shes black...I mean not black

No, you imbecile....I'm addressing free speech.

You, being a totalitarian, are unable to discuss the subject as it is anathema to your kind.

You repeatedly said blacks were fragile and when asked about Jews you said you werent jewish.

Are you black? Or are Jews fragile also...or is it different because....something?

I'm guessing the latter

"You repeatedly said blacks were fragile and when asked about Jews you said you werent jewish."

Are you trying to replace the NYLiar?

I challenge you to find any such post of mine, liar.

 

[NYcarbineer]

PC cant talk about anti-antisemitism because shes not Jewish

But she can talk about racism because shes black...I mean not black

No, you imbecile....I'm addressing free speech.

You, being a totalitarian, are unable to discuss the subject as it is anathema to your kind.

You weren't defending the NY Times yesterday, you were trashing it.

Did you find 'free speech' in your rice bowl this morning?

Can you provide any posts of mine that suggest that I was "...defending the NY Times yesterday,"...

...or is this one more variety of lie you've come up with?


You won't respond to this query, will you, you gutter snipe.

I didn't say you were defending the Times you illiterate. I said the opposite.

WHY WEREN'T YOU DEFENDING THE TIMES free speech rights?

 

[PoliticalChic]

4. Myers emphatically states that this fraternity should not be thrown off campus....and no student not tied the vid should be disciplined.
It's called due process.


He is correct.

The fraternity closed their U of OK site. Are you suggesting that government should intervene to prevent them from doing that?

Can you provide any such suggestion on my part....or are you burnishing your credentials as a low-life?

Invoking 'free speech' and citing court cases would be a good start.

Can you provide any posts of mine that suggest that I was "...defending the NY Times yesterday,"...

...or is this one more variety of lie you've come up with?


You won't respond to this query, will you, you gutter snipe.



I must admit it is fun reminding all that you are a serial liar and low-life.

Don't ever change.

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC cant talk about anti-antisemitism because shes not Jewish

But she can talk about racism because shes black...I mean not black

No, you imbecile....I'm addressing free speech.

You, being a totalitarian, are unable to discuss the subject as it is anathema to your kind.

You weren't defending the NY Times yesterday, you were trashing it.

Did you find 'free speech' in your rice bowl this morning?

Can you provide any posts of mine that suggest that I was "...defending the NY Times yesterday,"...

...or is this one more variety of lie you've come up with?


You won't respond to this query, will you, you gutter snipe.

I didn't say you were defending the Times you illiterate. I said the opposite.

WHY WEREN'T YOU DEFENDING THE TIMES free speech rights?

From the OP:
"5. The answer to bad speech is good speech."

And that's what I provide.

 

[NYcarbineer]

PC cant talk about anti-antisemitism because shes not Jewish

But she can talk about racism because shes black...I mean not black

No, you imbecile....I'm addressing free speech.

You, being a totalitarian, are unable to discuss the subject as it is anathema to your kind.

You repeatedly said blacks were fragile and when asked about Jews you said you werent jewish.

Are you black? Or are Jews fragile also...or is it different because....something?

I'm guessing the latter

"You repeatedly said blacks were fragile and when asked about Jews you said you werent jewish."

Are you trying to replace the NYLiar?

I challenge you to find any such post of mine, liar.

You're the thinnest skinned poster on this board. The slightest rebuke of your habitual nonsenses sends you into paroxysms of venom spitting.

 

[NYcarbineer]

4. Myers emphatically states that this fraternity should not be thrown off campus....and no student not tied the vid should be disciplined.
It's called due process.


He is correct.

The fraternity closed their U of OK site. Are you suggesting that government should intervene to prevent them from doing that?

Can you provide any such suggestion on my part....or are you burnishing your credentials as a low-life?

Invoking 'free speech' and citing court cases would be a good start.

Can you provide any posts of mine that suggest that I was "...defending the NY Times yesterday,"...

...or is this one more variety of lie you've come up with?


You won't respond to this query, will you, you gutter snipe.



I must admit it is fun reminding all that you are a serial liar and low-life.

Don't ever change.

I said this:

"You weren't defending the NY Times yesterday, you were trashing it."

How do you get me claiming you were defending the Times from that statement.

You've waded right into again.

NOW,

Tell us why you trashed the NYTimes yesterday instead of defending it on free speech grounds.

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC cant talk about anti-antisemitism because shes not Jewish

But she can talk about racism because shes black...I mean not black

No, you imbecile....I'm addressing free speech.

You, being a totalitarian, are unable to discuss the subject as it is anathema to your kind.

You repeatedly said blacks were fragile and when asked about Jews you said you werent jewish.

Are you black? Or are Jews fragile also...or is it different because....something?

I'm guessing the latter

"You repeatedly said blacks were fragile and when asked about Jews you said you werent jewish."

Are you trying to replace the NYLiar?

I challenge you to find any such post of mine, liar.

You're the thinnest skinned poster on this board. The slightest rebuke of your habitual nonsenses sends you into paroxysms of venom spitting.

Not thin-skinned at all....I'm just really,really good at 'venom spitting.'

Welcome to the karma cafe....there are no menus, but everyone gets what they deserve.

Especially liars like you.

 

[NYcarbineer]

PC cant talk about anti-antisemitism because shes not Jewish

But she can talk about racism because shes black...I mean not black

No, you imbecile....I'm addressing free speech.

You, being a totalitarian, are unable to discuss the subject as it is anathema to your kind.

You weren't defending the NY Times yesterday, you were trashing it.

Did you find 'free speech' in your rice bowl this morning?

Can you provide any posts of mine that suggest that I was "...defending the NY Times yesterday,"...

...or is this one more variety of lie you've come up with?


You won't respond to this query, will you, you gutter snipe.

I didn't say you were defending the Times you illiterate. I said the opposite.

WHY WEREN'T YOU DEFENDING THE TIMES free speech rights?

From the OP:
"5. The answer to bad speech is good speech."

And that's what I provide.

Sorry, but all of us among the sane know why you're defending the students and their n***** chant.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The OP has succeeded in only exhibiting her ignorance, as there is no free speech "violation."