Public Schools And The Decline Of Christianity In America - video

[Stephanie]

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[TheOldSchool]

I went to Catholic school and it's not just public schools that have this problem. A majority of the students there probably attended the one of the last masses of their lives on the day of graduation. Religion is on the decline in the west for multiple reasons. I think the main one is how literally the works on which the religions are founded are interpreted too literally. You can factor in the hypocrites who use religion for their own personal gain, the number of wars that were fought over religion, and the number of times the church has been on the wrong side of social issues.

I'm not saying it's a good thing because I think that there is a lot of good in religion. And I believe that local churches are usually wonderful for their communities.

But the problems run much deeper than public schools.

The State of Religion: Declining Belief in God Worldwide

Christianity on the decline, according to new survey - Telegraph

 

[waltky]

Where did she learn it & who taught her?...

Calif. preschool closing after alleged sex between 4- and 5-year-olds
Sunday, February 3, 2013, Parents are teaming up to file a lawsuit citing inept supervision after two boys at First Lutheran Church of Carson School reportedly received oral sex from a 5-year-old girl.

A California preschool is reportedly shutting down after disturbing allegations of sexual activity among several of its 4- and 5-year-old students emerged. First Lutheran Church of Carson School is closing midsemester amid reports that two boys received oral sex from a 5-year-old girl on school grounds, according to KABC-TV. Attorney Greg Owen, who is representing some of the children's families, said the sexual acts took place at nap time, at a school playground and at an outside bathroom. "It all boils down to a lack of supervision," Owen told ABC News. "There were times when teachers would let aides in the room for hours at a time to watch the kids. During nap time, the aides would be sleeping, and the children would have been molesting each other during this time."

Owen is representing several parents who are planning to file a lawsuit against the Carson, Calif., school, which has allegedly been cited by the California Department of Social Services for "at least one sexual incident that involved young students." School officials told KABC that its decision to close comes after the school director resigned due to personal reasons and has nothing to do with the allegations. Parent Richard McCarthy says that's far from the truth. He said his son received oral sex from the young girl on multiple occasions. "He told me about all the bad things that girl had been doing to him," McCarthy told the local station. "It went down in the classroom, it went down in the bathroom and it went down out on the playground."

At least one other boy allegedly received oral sex from the same girl. "Their lives will be ruined in many ways," Owen told ABC News of the children. "And we know there are many more (victims)." Parents, meanwhile, are struggling to find new schools for their kids. "There's no way I can just take him to another school and be that parent that just lets a predator loose," McCarthy said of his son. "How else do you explain it?"

McCarthy said he spoke to three other parents who are worried about sending their kids elsewhere. "Parents are saying, ‘My child is now a predator. Now how can I let him go to another school?’" he explained. "There were many children lying there, and they watched these acts. In our business and in psychological terms, that's sexualizing a child at a young age."

Read more: Calif. preschool closing after alleged sex between 4- and 5-year-olds - NY Daily News

 

[jwoodie]

I don't think that public schools should be teaching Christianity or any other religion, but the great importance of religious belief in our history and institutions should be included in their curricula.

 

[rdean]

I don't think that public schools should be teaching Christianity or any other religion, but the great importance of religious belief in our history and institutions should be included in their curricula.

Hate the gays.

Anti science.

Mystical beliefs.

Anti women's rights.

Yea, religion has taught us so much.

 

[MDiver]

The reason that religious zealots want religion in public schools, is to indoctrinate minors into their religious doctrine. The parents determine what the child should be exposed to, with regard to religion and as their children are basically a captive audience in public schools, many parents don't want their children exposed to religious beliefs that run counter to their own ideologies. Thus, public schools must continue to be free of religion, to protect the parents beliefs for their children.
Public schools are for teaching, reading, writing, mathematics, history and the arts. If you want a child indoctrinated in religious dogma, send it to a religious school. There are plenty of them.

 

[LittleNipper]

I don't think that public schools should be teaching Christianity or any other religion, but the great importance of religious belief in our history and institutions should be included in their curricula.

There is no question that public schools should not be teaching Crisitianity. What they should be promoting is the reading of the Bible and allowing the student to come to his own understanding with the assistance of his/her parents. The presentation of secular values and theory have no place in the Public School without counter ballance. This will encourage a student to define and evaluate, while learning to think things out for himself.

 

[psikeyhackr]

Well at least it shows the schools are good for something.

But it is an interesting piece of propaganda. There was a snippet of John Taylor Gatto in there but he didn't actually say anything about religion but by putting him in the middle of all of the religious propaganda it comes across like he agrees with what they are saying. He could just as easily have been saying that religion is based on mind control if you focus on what he actually says.

I went to Catholic schools. I was sick of those dummies before I was out of grade school.

psik

 

[MHunterB]

Holston, I don't know when or where you went to school. But I went to grade school in PA, where the State Legislature in its arrogance *mandated* the reading of the KJV each morning in every single public school across the Commonwealth. And in so doing, they legislated discrimination against every non-Protestant child in the entire school system - and that is why the law was overturned and no similar law has ever been let stand by SCOTUS.

And the boy who brought suit against the school district for that discriminatory 'law' was a Christian.

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[holston]

Holston, I don't know when or where you went to school. But I went to grade school in PA, where the State Legislature in its arrogance *mandated* the reading of the KJV each morning in every single public school across the Commonwealth. And in so doing, they legislated discrimination against every non-Protestant child in the entire school system - and that is why the law was overturned and no similar law has ever been let stand by SCOTUS.

And the boy who brought suit against the school district for that discriminatory 'law' was a Christian.

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And the JEWISH/ atheist / Socialist / Humanist lobby in IT'S ARROGANCE proposes to kick Christ out of America.

The HELL you will.


And who put this "Christian" KID up to anything?

I can just see a 10 year old getting his underwear in a knot over a prayer.

A PRAYER for crying out loud.

YOU PEOPLE want homos and lesbians and every other freakish thing under the sun, including Marx, Lenin, Mao Tse Tung, and condoms on bananas as part of the regular curriculum. Oh and we don't want to leave out VD inoculations for preteen girls, government sponsored birth control, and abortions without parental consent.

And YOU PEOPLE have the unmitigated gall to speak of ARROGANCE!

 

[uscitizen]

Arrogance and religion are synonomous.

 

[uscitizen]

Nope, MOST religions incorporate arrogance as a major portion of their doctrine.
Not just the Jews.

 

[MDiver]

Sorry to break this to you, Holston, but the people that put the 10 year old child "up" to the suit, would no doubt be the persons responsible for his upbringing, those pesky things called parents. For some strange reason, they have the right to determine what their "minor" children are allowed to hear.
I'm pretty sure that if that same school led off each morning with religious readings only from the Hindu's Bhagavad Gita, you and other parents would be squawking to the school authorities ("ooooh principal, that's not our belief and we don't want our precious children becoming Hindus").
Bottom line, it all stays out.
Once they're in high school, they can have a "voluntary" class, on the worlds religions, with no preference given to any one of them.

 

[Saigon]

Christianity is in decline all over the western world, and it has nothing to do with schools.

Can anyone think of a single western country where Christianity is thriving?

It just seems to be a natural evolutionary shift that means younger people are less and less interested in religion.

I can see good and bad in that, but I see little point in blaming schools for it.

 

[Intense]

Arrogance and religion are synonomous.

Arrogance is a human condition.

 

[MHunterB]

Holston, I don't know when or where you went to school. But I went to grade school in PA, where the State Legislature in its arrogance *mandated* the reading of the KJV each morning in every single public school across the Commonwealth. And in so doing, they legislated discrimination against every non-Protestant child in the entire school system - and that is why the law was overturned and no similar law has ever been let stand by SCOTUS.

And the boy who brought suit against the school district for that discriminatory 'law' was a Christian.

FindLaw | Cases and Codes

It appears more explanation is needed here. The PA State legislature MANDATED the KJV Bible be used. THAT constituted a 'pro-Protestant' bias - and that was why that particular law was tossed out.

The Schepp boy was quite a bit older than 10 - I'd say 15 or 16! - because the school he attended was Abingdon HIGH School. He graduated in 1958: so by the time of the SCOTUS case, he was no longer a minor.

The reason the law was pitched is that the KJV (while some gorgeous writing!) is an explicitly *Protestant* translation and so automatically puts the government in the false and unjust position of promoting that faith over others.

However, it seems that no legislature since then has been able to write a 'school prayer' law which was acceptable. It is simply too difficult to implement any such 'guided' prayer in school.

There is a phrase in US law 'tyranny of the majority': religion being a matter of personal conscience, it is one area where a exception must be maintained to the 'majority rule' of democracy.

 

[MHunterB]

Arrogance and religion are synonomous.

Arrogance is a human condition.

In this case, the PA state legislature mandated a reading from a Protestant religious text to ALL public school students.

If that wasn't arrogance, them what else would you call it? My use of the word had nothing to do with 'religion' per se: I was taking issue with a government body promoting one *particular* iteration of 'religion' over ALL others to children of ALL citizens.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Ultimately, it's not the jobs of schools to push any religion in this country.

 

[MHunterB]

Holston, I don't know when or where you went to school. But I went to grade school in PA, where the State Legislature in its arrogance *mandated* the reading of the KJV each morning in every single public school across the Commonwealth. And in so doing, they legislated discrimination against every non-Protestant child in the entire school system - and that is why the law was overturned and no similar law has ever been let stand by SCOTUS.

And the boy who brought suit against the school district for that discriminatory 'law' was a Christian.

FindLaw | Cases and Codes

And the JEWISH/ atheist / Socialist / Humanist lobby in IT'S ARROGANCE proposes to kick Christ out of America.

Aside from conflating several 'groups' into one, this is gross exaggeration and utterly ridiculous fearmongering.

The HELL you will.
*raises eyebrow* 'You'???? I merely reported what I knew of the legal proceedings and filled in a few details. Do calm down, please: we were discussing a case which actually *began* in the '50's, and while I'm not a young girl I was hardly of n age to be politically active back then!


And who put this "Christian" KID up to anything?
Since he was in high school, nobody else had to. And since then, Mr Schempp has had a long and illustrious career - physics, I believe? No a field for a 'slacker', that....

I can just see a 10 year old getting his underwear in a knot over a prayer.
Well, you can certainly visualize that, but you're not talking about the same case I was. Didn't you bother to read the article on the topic?

A PRAYER for crying out loud.
NO. It was the imposition of ONE faith's prayer onto the general public in an 'official' setting. Did you not read the case information?

YOU PEOPLE

Stop right there. That is an entirely offensive mode of address and not conducive to any 'discussion'. I can't imagine why any decent human being who believes in GOD, would ever so address his fellow humans, those also made 'in His Image'. That is simply not acceptable in polite company. You really need to stop behaving in such a derogatory fashion towards your fellow citizens.


want homos and lesbians and every other freakish thing under the sun, including Marx, Lenin, Mao Tse Tung, and condoms on bananas as part of the regular curriculum. Oh and we don't want to leave out VD inoculations for preteen girls, government sponsored birth control, and abortions without parental consent.
This is a whole long laundry list of items which have absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand, ie 'school prayer' and its history. I strongly suggest you return to the original material and address the law and the link which was provided.

If you want to start another thread about any of those other issues - they are not based on religion, and so not properly within the scope of this thread. I truly think we'd all be better served by addressing each 'topic' separately.


And YOU PEOPLE have the unmitigated gall to speak of ARROGANCE!


Oh, dear -there's that dismissive derogatory 'you people' spewage again! Mr Schempp and his parents, and the entire non-Protestant population of PA, are your fellow citizens and explicitly on an EQUAL footing before the Law of this Nation. What they did was to stand up to an opressive government and - entirely wthin proper legal channels! - petition the courts to redress their grievance. And the courts duly ruled that the US Constitution did not give any State (or Commonwealth) the right to show preference for one religion over another.

The arrogance was that of the PA legislature - I think that's clear enough by now.

I think it's also quite clear that there is some error in a view which libels fellow citizens as 'arrogant' for simply seeking to be actually treated as the 'equal before the Law' which our Constitution sets as its standard.

Now, I myself have not made a concerted study of Constitutional Law - but it appears to me, Holston, that your studies in that field are even further from completion. Perhaps other posters have some references for us to study?

.

 

[MHunterB]

Ultimately, it's not the jobs of schools to push any religion in this country.

And that is why I referred to the PA Legislature which assigned them that task as 'arrogant'.