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think what you want, but in 50 years at the longest by age 4 or 5 a kids future choices, life styles, etc will be completely determined automatically by software and some mouse clicks. all that will be needed is normal monitoring by parents, day care, school, etc to put in the variables per kid
obviously if the kid goes heavy on drugs or if they have some overly traumatic experience the initial information will be wrong, but all that will have to be done is to change the variables to fit the traumatic experience
I think you have a dearth of knowledge about the whimsy of life. Whimsy, the curves life throws and the many, varied, and unpredictable reactions to those curve balls would crash your computer. If not, we should all take the nearest and highest bridge, because life just got too predictable to fully LIVE. I would rather die than live in such a world, or rather rage against such a machine until it was forced to terminate my "program."
You're program might work as a computer model, but practically applied, it simply sucks.
this makes a great hallmark card, but it simply isn't true. the only people with "free will" are those who are psychotic and since society can't deal with such variety it locks those people away.
the closest sane thing you get to free will is people who just say fuck it and go live out in the woods and/or explore the world living off the land. I am sure you know how most people on Earth deal with such people.....
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!
What? You mapped out a plan and it worked flawlessly? If so, please write a book and share it with the rest of us mere mortals.
No, I'm keeping it secret.
if all of a parent or both parents time is consumed by working to pay bills then maybe the people should have waited before having kids. maybe they should have gone back to school to get a better education in order to have a higher paying job. they also could have lived frugally for a few years and saved for when the kid did come. if they come home exhausted after working 15 hours across three jobs then they probably aren't giving the kids the attention they deserve either.
they should take some personal responsibility and if they loved their kids they wouldn't put them through that shit
Sweetheart, how old are you? Life does NOT conduct itself according to a planned out script. Life simply happens, and people adapt. Some adapt better than others, it is true, but it really is all done on the fly.
23, and life does not "simply happen", particularly childbirth with the exception of rape. if people want to fool around with sex and aren't able to support a child if/when that does happen then they should be held fully responsible for their choice and society should not have to burden their irresponsibility whether its through welfare programs or another fucked up kid running around.
if people were more responsible and planned their futures out better we wouldn't have deal with all the people that suck at adapting
think what you want, but in 50 years at the longest by age 4 or 5 a kids future choices, life styles, etc will be completely determined automatically by software and some mouse clicks. all that will be needed is normal monitoring by parents, day care, school, etc to put in the variables per kid
obviously if the kid goes heavy on drugs or if they have some overly traumatic experience the initial information will be wrong, but all that will have to be done is to change the variables to fit the traumatic experience
I believe much of the '70's was a FEMINIST rejection of Antagon's Theory that "our greatness comes from our ability to adapt as individuals to a society which in turn adapts to our circumstances." This is an entirely MASCULINE POV. In fact, if we logically follow it to its extreme, we would end up in ancient Sparta, where individuals deemed never able to "adapt as individuals" were left to die at birth.
to the contrary, i contend that a nurture-based society is one which promotes the idea of struggling to get in where you fit in no matter your natural circumstances at birth - adaptation. the spartan conclusion which you have come up with mimics the nazi characterization which i criticized in that same piece.
masculine, feminine and all-caps aside... i think that my generation has the shittiest idea of how to raise kids on account of the mentalities and agencies arising from the civil rights era and the 70s. i dont propose that race, sex, age and disability should return as grounds for prejudice - your taken to the extreme. but i think we pursue these (of which disability is the most pliable) as replacements for the proceeds of discipline and a social standards which we were raised with.
"lower the bar or prescribe a quick-fix for my wild-child kid and his half-ass parents who reared him." is what it looks like to me.
Pardon me for trying to decipher whatever the hell you attempt to communicate. As I've said before, a writing course wouldn't kill you.
"mentalities and agencies arising from the civil rights era and the 70s"
Let's see if we can fix your attempt at English: "The agencies arising from mentalities that emphasize individual rights during the '70's." The individual rights or "civil rights" included women's rights. For the playing field to be level for women, the bar needed to be lowered.
Once the bar was lowered for women, they set about lowering it for the weak, the "half-assed," and anyone else with whom they could sympathise, but mostly, themselves.
They found themselves unexpectedly raising "wild-child" kids as well as working. Could they accept blame?
Of course not.
complete your comprehension course before attempting to paraphrase anything i've written, or feeling in place to criticize my messageboard composition. how many times have you been published, samson? (hint: not your post count)
No idea. I'm sure lazy parenting has contributed somewhat to incorrect diagnoses, but I know from my own experiences that at least some are legitimate.i'm not sure i don't or didn't have any of these deals. i'm pretty sure it was not severe, if that was the case. do you have any insight into what has caused the insurgence of these 'disorders' and can we be certain it isn't just zealous diagnosis?
I'm sure. Older relatives of mine do have the same sort of problem, however, and have probably suffered by not having access to the same sort of treatment that I benefited from as a child.one thing is certain, that if you were born in the 60s your life would have involved adapting to society without any prescribed drugs.
I'm on several of those, too. I'm sure they don't help....maybe non-prescription.
doping kids and inventing disabilities aren't necessary consequences of professional women. wtf are you talking about? i think half-assed parenting can be distinguished from good parenting which still takes place among all demographics and within generation x.
I think you have a dearth of knowledge about the whimsy of life. Whimsy, the curves life throws and the many, varied, and unpredictable reactions to those curve balls would crash your computer. If not, we should all take the nearest and highest bridge, because life just got too predictable to fully LIVE. I would rather die than live in such a world, or rather rage against such a machine until it was forced to terminate my "program."
You're program might work as a computer model, but practically applied, it simply sucks.
this makes a great hallmark card, but it simply isn't true. the only people with "free will" are those who are psychotic and since society can't deal with such variety it locks those people away.
the closest sane thing you get to free will is people who just say fuck it and go live out in the woods and/or explore the world living off the land. I am sure you know how most people on Earth deal with such people.....
No, some of them get to be exceptional, scholars, outsiders, and the thinkers that pave a better way. We don't all have to conform, and those who refuse to sometimes end up at the top, rather than the bottom.
It is curious in a country that idolizes capital and "rugged individuality" that those very traits are marginalized.
Protectionism? Much?
We once knew how to deal with the 'difficult' child and channel his/her 'differences' into something constructive. Just my two cents worth.
We once knew how to deal with the 'difficult' child and channel his/her 'differences' into something constructive. Just my two cents worth.
We did?
When? How?
We once knew how to deal with the 'difficult' child and channel his/her 'differences' into something constructive. Just my two cents worth.
We did?
When? How?
And when one of the kids mentioned that it was almost time for his ritalin and how much he hated taking it, the others started piping up. Almost every one of those kids was on some kind of behavior modification drug. And none of them knew each other in real life. I just think there is something wrong with that picture.
We did?
When? How?
And when one of the kids mentioned that it was almost time for his ritalin and how much he hated taking it, the others started piping up. Almost every one of those kids was on some kind of behavior modification drug. And none of them knew each other in real life. I just think there is something wrong with that picture.
Did any of them mention having hated being vaccinated for smallpox, causing you to think there was "something wrong with the picture?"
I went to a Catholic school ( yes, it was in the stone age), believe me when the nun walked in the room with her ruler in her hand and usually smacked the loudest talker, nobody in the room had a attention deficit. The real cure for most of this bullshit is to give the disciplinary authority back to the classroom teacher where it belongs. No, I don't mean physical violence , I mean control. You can't teach in the midst of chaos. Pappadave. P.S. Of course, my parents wouldn't sue. Whenever I was dumb enough to tell my parents that the nun whacked me I usually got another whack from them for acting up in school.
I never liked Catholic school, even though I never attended, My cousins did. They got in trouble in class (or the hallway!) for talking to each OTHER. My aunt, the sweetest woman in the world (and the provider of peanut butter and fluff, something my mother wouldn't hear of) had nothing wrong to say about the Catholic church, or nuns, doling out corporal punishment to her child. I told her that when I grew up, there would be hell to pay for such shit where mine were concerned, and that I couldn't understand such a good mommy would let someone else decide to put their hands on HER kids.
My family was crazier than shit house rats in some regards, but that kind of stuff was decided IN house, not by some random "authority."
That trust in the church, that abdication of parental authority is what allowed the abuse of children to go on for so long. Kids aren't going to tell you SQUAT if they figure they're going to get a second beating for it. They need to know their parents have their back when push comes to shove. And yes, even if they're wrong, they need to know that their mom and dad will help them set things right. That doesn't mean supporting bad behavior, but it does mean not allowing someone to abuse them because of their weak position.
And when one of the kids mentioned that it was almost time for his ritalin and how much he hated taking it, the others started piping up. Almost every one of those kids was on some kind of behavior modification drug. And none of them knew each other in real life. I just think there is something wrong with that picture.
Did any of them mention having hated being vaccinated for smallpox, causing you to think there was "something wrong with the picture?"
Not the same thing, Samson.
But you do seem to have a strong opinion about this. Why do you support behaviorial modification drugs for kids?
We once knew how to deal with the 'difficult' child and channel his/her 'differences' into something constructive.
Did any of them mention having hated being vaccinated for smallpox, causing you to think there was "something wrong with the picture?"
Not the same thing, Samson.
But you do seem to have a strong opinion about this. Why do you support behaviorial modification drugs for kids?
Well, it IS the same thing, unless you'd like to 'splain why it isn't.
One thing I do agree with blu about is how individuals with behaviour disorders were treated in the past: Very Badly. This is why I was interested in your remark:
We once knew how to deal with the 'difficult' child and channel his/her 'differences' into something constructive.
But you never responded to my questions: How did we "know deal with the 'difficult' child?"
In reality, we didn't. Furthermore, they were certainly only very rarely (if at all) "channeled into something constructive."
So, to answer your question, I don't see the difference between modern pharmacology being the solution to epidemics of small pox, polio, tuberculosis, or behaviour disorders.
I just wonder how we managed to have good schools and good kids and high graduation rates before this stuff was invented.
I just wonder how we managed to have good schools and good kids and high graduation rates before this stuff was invented.
Oh, that's easy to answer.
We simply removed the worst problems from the school, and didn't worry about expulsion rates.
They were sent home, eventually institutionalised or sent to war, or given a can of pencils to sell on a street corner, or sent to work on a farm. Most became alcoholics, and died in a ditch.
Ahhhhhh,,,yes......the good ol' days!!
I just wonder how we managed to have good schools and good kids and high graduation rates before this stuff was invented.
Oh, that's easy to answer.
We simply removed the worst problems from the school, and didn't worry about expulsion rates.
They were sent home, eventually institutionalised or sent to war, or given a can of pencils to sell on a street corner, or sent to work on a farm. Most became alcoholics, and died in a ditch.
Ahhhhhh,,,yes......the good ol' days!!
No, I don't think so. Very very few expulsions happened when i went to school, and very very few when our kids were in school. Almost all of us "ADD" kids survived it quite nicely, graduated, and went on to live normal lives.
Anyhow, if a kid can't make it in school, how in the world would they be able to handle military discipline?
But do you have particular experience to support giving the kids behavior modification drugs? Again I am open to be persuaded by people who know their stuff.
doping kids and inventing disabilities aren't necessary consequences of professional women. wtf are you talking about? i think half-assed parenting can be distinguished from good parenting which still takes place among all demographics and within generation x.
It doesn't take a genius to know there's a wide range of parenting quality among humans.
When you begin a thread with the premise of "PsychoMalarkey," and then make even your vaugest reference to "70's mindset," it is not a huge logical leap to connect the Women's Movement and Motherhood to increases in behaviour disorders among their children.
It is not my fault if you haven't the capacity to connect dots.
