Protesters Carrying Rifle Outside Obama Rally

[RetiredGySgt]

These people are not a threat, no. The people who are watching them on TV and conjouring an idea up in their little fucking stupid pea-brained heads are the ones who are a threat. There are a lot of people out there who feel their country has been stolen from them by a Nigerian and they "want their country back." The guy who actually manages to, and I've said all along that it's not a matter of if, but when, get a clear shot of Obama will go off touting the very same BS proported by the birthers on this forum. They'll talk about ACORN and how they somehow faked 9 million votes, they'll talk about his birth certificate, they'll talk about Obama's soon-to-come ban on guns, and his socialistic ways... everything the right-wingers on this forum talk about. And then they'll say something nobody else on this forum has said... "He had to be stopped." Then the guy will look oddly familiar to some of you... as you've seen this guy before... on Glen Beck, and Sean Hannity and attending rallies last year watching Sarah Palin talk about Obama's "associations" and how he "pals around with terrorists."

The problem is, all of this shit is completely bullshit. He was born in America, he's not a socialist, ACORN faked 500,000 not 9 million and Obama is not going to ban the second amendment. The problem is the Republicans and the conservatives are making this stuff up, or stretching the truth to fit their own political agenda and to try and get re-elected. It began before Obama was even elected. It's a pretty big problem and a pretty sad problem. Disagree with his policies? Oh sure, there's plenty of room for that -- but calling the man a socialist? Saying he's from Kenya? Come on. Some of you people fit the bill for what one of these loons could do and remember, it only takes one shot.

Hopefully if Obama is shot, it will not be a serious wound and he'll be fine. Maybe then the Republicans the conservatives will tone down their rhetoric. I'm not saying they'll outright stop disagreeing with him -- I'm saying they'll disagree with his actual policies and not with speculative policies that no US President would ever propose.

You , the press and the left are the ones scaring people with fake outrage over people exercising their Constitutional rights. Creating problems where none exist. Your tactics of scaring everyone is going to bite you in the ass sooner then later. The left, not the right practice that tactic ALL the time.

All you leftists on this board screaming cause the right are protesting and making false claims like the right are violating Freedom of Speech and that carrying a weapon equates to murder are the ones trying to deny rights.

Pelosi is on RECORD for supporting disruptive protest right up until the right started to protest, now she is all for curtailing protest.

I don't recall you whining one bit about the protests and vile things said about Bush. Or about the hateful tactics used against him.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

PHOENIX – About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday — the latest incident in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near the president.

Gun-rights advocates say they're exercising their constitutional right to bear arms and protest, while those who argue for more gun control say it could be a disaster waiting to happen.

Phoenix police said the gun-toters at Monday's event, including the man carrying an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, didn't need permits. No crimes were committed, and no one was arrested.

"When you start to bring guns to political rallies, it does layer on another level of concern and significance," Solop said. "It actually becomes quite scary for many people. It creates a chilling effect in the ability of our society to carry on honest communication."

Man carrying assault weapon attends Obama protest - Yahoo! News

I am no fan of the President, but this is disturbing to me. The message is clear and quite frankly, I think inappropriate. Not to mention just plain stupid. Notice that at least one of the guys wouldn't identify himself.

Immie

It's disturbing to see citizens exercising their constitutional right?

 

[KittenKoder]

PHOENIX – About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday — the latest incident in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near the president.

Gun-rights advocates say they're exercising their constitutional right to bear arms and protest, while those who argue for more gun control say it could be a disaster waiting to happen.

Phoenix police said the gun-toters at Monday's event, including the man carrying an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, didn't need permits. No crimes were committed, and no one was arrested.

"When you start to bring guns to political rallies, it does layer on another level of concern and significance," Solop said. "It actually becomes quite scary for many people. It creates a chilling effect in the ability of our society to carry on honest communication."

Man carrying assault weapon attends Obama protest - Yahoo! News

I am no fan of the President, but this is disturbing to me. The message is clear and quite frankly, I think inappropriate. Not to mention just plain stupid. Notice that at least one of the guys wouldn't identify himself.

Immie

It's disturbing to see citizens exercising their constitutional right?

The problem is those disturbed by this don't believe in the Constitution.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Man carrying assault weapon attends Obama protest - Yahoo! News

I am no fan of the President, but this is disturbing to me. The message is clear and quite frankly, I think inappropriate. Not to mention just plain stupid. Notice that at least one of the guys wouldn't identify himself.

Immie

It's disturbing to see citizens exercising their constitutional right?

The problem is those disturbed by this don't believe in the Constitution.

Good point.

 

[dilloduck]

Man carrying assault weapon attends Obama protest - Yahoo! News

I am no fan of the President, but this is disturbing to me. The message is clear and quite frankly, I think inappropriate. Not to mention just plain stupid. Notice that at least one of the guys wouldn't identify himself.

Immie

It's disturbing to see citizens exercising their constitutional right?

The problem is those disturbed by this don't believe in the Constitution.

Politicians can and do take away your constitutional rights without firing a shot-----so who are the really dangerous people at this rally ?

 

[KittenKoder]

It's disturbing to see citizens exercising their constitutional right?

The problem is those disturbed by this don't believe in the Constitution.

Good point.

I manage to hit one once in a while.

 

[Immanuel]

These people are not a threat, no. The people who are watching them on TV and conjouring an idea up in their little fucking stupid pea-brained heads are the ones who are a threat. There are a lot of people out there who feel their country has been stolen from them by a Nigerian and they "want their country back."

That is what concerns me. There is enough anti-healthcare rhetoric out there today to send the next Paul Hill over the edge.

BTW Davids, the claim is that he is Kenyan, not Nigerian.

Immie

 

[DavidS]

These people are not a threat, no. The people who are watching them on TV and conjouring an idea up in their little fucking stupid pea-brained heads are the ones who are a threat. There are a lot of people out there who feel their country has been stolen from them by a Nigerian and they "want their country back." The guy who actually manages to, and I've said all along that it's not a matter of if, but when, get a clear shot of Obama will go off touting the very same BS proported by the birthers on this forum. They'll talk about ACORN and how they somehow faked 9 million votes, they'll talk about his birth certificate, they'll talk about Obama's soon-to-come ban on guns, and his socialistic ways... everything the right-wingers on this forum talk about. And then they'll say something nobody else on this forum has said... "He had to be stopped." Then the guy will look oddly familiar to some of you... as you've seen this guy before... on Glen Beck, and Sean Hannity and attending rallies last year watching Sarah Palin talk about Obama's "associations" and how he "pals around with terrorists."

The problem is, all of this shit is completely bullshit. He was born in America, he's not a socialist, ACORN faked 500,000 not 9 million and Obama is not going to ban the second amendment. The problem is the Republicans and the conservatives are making this stuff up, or stretching the truth to fit their own political agenda and to try and get re-elected. It began before Obama was even elected. It's a pretty big problem and a pretty sad problem. Disagree with his policies? Oh sure, there's plenty of room for that -- but calling the man a socialist? Saying he's from Kenya? Come on. Some of you people fit the bill for what one of these loons could do and remember, it only takes one shot.

Hopefully if Obama is shot, it will not be a serious wound and he'll be fine. Maybe then the Republicans the conservatives will tone down their rhetoric. I'm not saying they'll outright stop disagreeing with him -- I'm saying they'll disagree with his actual policies and not with speculative policies that no US President would ever propose.

You , the press and the left are the ones scaring people with fake outrage over people exercising their Constitutional rights. Creating problems where none exist. Your tactics of scaring everyone is going to bite you in the ass sooner then later. The left, not the right practice that tactic ALL the time.

All you leftists on this board screaming cause the right are protesting and making false claims like the right are violating Freedom of Speech and that carrying a weapon equates to murder are the ones trying to deny rights.

Carrying a weapon does not equate murder. Carrying an assault rifle to a protest of the President's policies is a threat against him.

Pelosi is on RECORD for supporting disruptive protest right up until the right started to protest, now she is all for curtailing protest.

I don't give a shit about Pelosi and protests. These people can protest Obama's policies all they want. They should not do it, though, with guns. You know who else protests with guns? Terrorists. They protest with guns.

I don't recall you whining one bit about the protests and vile things said about Bush. Or about the hateful tactics used against him.

First of all, I wasn't on here at the time. Second of all, the anti-war movement was full of cooks and crazies on the far left. If you take Cindy Sheehan and see how nutty she was -- and believe me she was nutty -- she doesn't come close to how nutty these right-wingers are. When the anti-war movement was around, I was a Republican supporting Bush at the time and believe me, I said some nasty, derogatory things about them.

Now I've seen the "Right" for what they are... a bunch of hypocrites being controlled by multi-millionaires to advance the price of their stock.

 

[Immanuel]

It is not a "clear threat".. it is a demonstration and expression of the rights they hold dear... there is no correlation between a law abiding citizen carrying a weapon in demonstration and some 'lunatic' trying some forceful action against the President

Dave, as said earlier, if this were a 2nd Amendment protest, I might agree with you, but this is different and as far as I can see these people were sending messages to the President. I think those messages are inappropriate.

Immie

 

[Old Rocks]

Sounds like a bunch of idiots to me.

why, where is it a law you cant carry them?

they also shouldnt be complaining when the secret service is all up their ass checking them out

In my lifetime there has been a President killed, two presidential candidates killed, and two attempted assasinations of Presidents.

These people should have the cops up their ass for about two years, looking at everything they do or say. A bit more of this foolishness, and then the President does get shot, and we all lose some of our rights to bear arms.

But then such an obvious consequence would escape your little mind, wouldn't it, Dive.

 

[editec]

I take it that none of you will mind when people who are obviously on the left side of the equasion show up armed the next time Sarah Palin or Glen Beck speaks, too, right?

 

[Vanquish]

Why is it that just because someone asks a legitimate question over whether bringing a gun is dangerous it's instantly branded as reactionary liberalism? When you say that, you turn yourself into a knee-jerk reactionary yourself.

I think what's escaping most of the people in this thread is that just because it's legal, doesn't mean it's morally right or even safe.

I've heard two Secret Service commentators now question whether is was the right thing to do. Of course, there are people who will say anything for a buck and to be on TV, but you'd like to think that someone of their stature would give an honest answer.

By way of some back story on myself, I used to own a gun range. My father started it and I operated it for 6 years. I have at least 12 guns that I can name off the top of my head, including a quasi-legal assault rifle. I've even trained my wife on how to use a handgun for personal protection at the house (although I told her to get the .410 shotgun pistol since it'll kick less and spray more).

Wars start because countries amass weapons at their borders and keep bumping into each other with frequency. It's just a fact. And if the anti-Obama camp can't at least admit that increasing the frequency of guns near the Pres increases the frequency that something bad with those guns will happen, you're towing the party line and sticking your head in the sand.

I'm not going to play the "what if" game...because that's not fair. "What if someone takes a gun away from a law-abiding citizen?" We could play what if all day and it wouldn't add anything to the conversation.

The truth is, no matter what the Secret Service says, you wont know who they thought were persons of interest and possible dangers because they dont want you knowing their methods or thinking they're losing their cool.

The fact is, these people are being provocative to get attention. We all know it. And their defenders are hiding behind the legality of it. Yeah, it's legal, but it's not necessarily smart or right.

 

[dilloduck]

How about some perspecitve ? Who has done more harm to Americans ? Assassins or politicians ?

 

[Immanuel]

The problem is those disturbed by this don't believe in the Constitution.

Not true, KK.

I am all for the right to bare arms although I do not want my next door neighbor having a nuke.

I have the right to pick my nose or scratch my crotch in public. That doesn't mean I excercise that right. With rights come responsibility.

Immie

 

[dilloduck]

The problem is those disturbed by this don't believe in the Constitution.

Not true, KK.

I am all for the right to bare arms although I do not want my next door neighbor having a nuke.

I have the right to pick my nose or scratch my crotch in public. That doesn't mean I excercise that right. With rights come responsibility.

Immie

no one has been shot--they are being responsible.

 

[Care4all]

Did President Bush not make any visits or appearances in Arizona?

Why is it that these gun toting people did not ever make this kind of attempt when president bush was president and visiting there?

Why didn't they carry their guns at one of the many rallies that McCain had in his own state? Certainly we would have heard about it....?

One has to ask oneself what exactly was the message these gun owners were trying to make with Obama?

 

[Vanquish]

How about some perspecitve ? Who has done more harm to Americans ? Assassins or politicians ?

That comment doesnt even make sense. Obviously you're hinting that politicians have done more to harm Americans, but that amounts to a really bad defense of assassins.

 

[dilloduck]

Did President Bush not make any visits or appearances in Arizona?

Why is it that these gun toting people did not ever make this kind of attempt when president bush was president and visiting there?

Why didn't they carry their guns at one of the many rallies that McCain had in his own state? Certainly we would have heard about it....?

One has to ask oneself what exactly was the message these gun owners were trying to make with Obama?

hmmm let me guess----"don't fuck with the second amendment " ?

 

[Ravi]

Squeaky Fromme protested with a gun, too.

 

[Care4all]

Gosh, I wonder how the secret service can actually protect the president under these kind of circumstances?

Someone from out of state or even a foreign country, could be in that crowd, holding his rifle in public, but is really an assassin trying to kill the President that won't be noticed due to the crowd of gun toting law abiding citizens there at the rally...?