Proof of AGW fraud

[RealDave]

Actually, you are the one claiming anything recorded prior to satellites is no longer valid. Pedal your bullshit on some right wing site where they are dumb enough to believe it.

you haven't explained measured temperature yet. why not? it was your claim.

From WIKI: Temperature is a physical quantity expressing hot and cold. It is measured with a thermometer calibrated in one or more temperature scales. The most commonly used scales are the Celsius scale (formerly called centigrade) (denoted °C), Fahrenheit scale (denoted °F), and Kelvin scale (denoted K).

Or this frpm NOAA

• Air Temperature
  USCRN stations are equipped with three independent thermometers which measure air temperature in degrees Celsius. The station's datalogger computes independent 5-minute averages using two-second readings from each thermometer. These multiple measurements are then used to derive the station's official hourly temperature value.

OMG OMG OMG they are measuring temperature OMG OMG OMG

now post the one that has the global thermometer. where is it and what does it look like?

It consists of many stations. Average global temperatures are found by taking an AVERAGE of these stations.

over 10,000 square miles apart? you're kidding right?

196.9 million square miles on the Earth's surface. Not too shabby.

 

[otto105]

Actually, you are the one claiming anything recorded prior to satellites is no longer valid. Pedal your bullshit on some right wing site where they are dumb enough to believe it.

you haven't explained measured temperature yet. why not? it was your claim.

Again tell us why this is all wrong.... Global Temperature | Vital Signs – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

it isn't empirical evidence, it is models.

Look We have measurements. Those are empirical.

Models are used to extrapolate into the future.

Are you having a fucking meltdown because we can't take future measurements?> Is this why you are running in circles & screaming OMG OMG OMG?

L

that material doesn't explain shit. I'm asking you for measurements, ones around the globe, that big old fat fking thermometer that has average temperature of the world on it?

Oh, and have you heard that the earth has been in a few ice ages? how do you explain that? CO2 in the atmosphere twice to three times the concentration without man. still waiting.

Currently CO2 levels are around 411ppm. Can you post the time that CO2 levels were "two to three times" what they're now.

 

[jc456]

you haven't explained measured temperature yet. why not? it was your claim.

From WIKI: Temperature is a physical quantity expressing hot and cold. It is measured with a thermometer calibrated in one or more temperature scales. The most commonly used scales are the Celsius scale (formerly called centigrade) (denoted °C), Fahrenheit scale (denoted °F), and Kelvin scale (denoted K).

Or this frpm NOAA

• Air Temperature
  USCRN stations are equipped with three independent thermometers which measure air temperature in degrees Celsius. The station's datalogger computes independent 5-minute averages using two-second readings from each thermometer. These multiple measurements are then used to derive the station's official hourly temperature value.

OMG OMG OMG they are measuring temperature OMG OMG OMG

now post the one that has the global thermometer. where is it and what does it look like?

It consists of many stations. Average global temperatures are found by taking an AVERAGE of these stations.

over 10,000 square miles apart? you're kidding right?

196.9 million square miles on the Earth's surface. Not too shabby.

spaced out every 10,000 square miles is useless.

do you iv your koolaid?

 

[RealDave]

Again tell us why this is all wrong.... Global Temperature | Vital Signs – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

it isn't empirical evidence, it is models.

Look We have measurements. Those are empirical.

Models are used to extrapolate into the future.

Are you having a fucking meltdown because we can't take future measurements?> Is this why you are running in circles & screaming OMG OMG OMG?

L

that material doesn't explain shit. I'm asking you for measurements, ones around the globe, that big old fat fking thermometer that has average temperature of the world on it?

Oh, and have you heard that the earth has been in a few ice ages? how do you explain that? CO2 in the atmosphere twice to three times the concentration without man. still waiting.

av·er·age
/ˈav(ə)rij/

Learn to pronounce

noun
noun: average; plural noun: averages

1. 1.
   a number expressing the central or typical value in a set of data, in particular the mode, median, or (most commonly) the mean, which is calculated by dividing the sum of the values in the set by their number.
   "the housing prices there are twice the national average"
   synonyms: mean, median, mode, midpoint, center; More
   norm, standard, rule, par;
   the general run
   "the price was low compared with the average of the past 25 years"
   • an amount, standard, level, or rate regarded as usual or ordinary.
     "they take about thirty minutes on average"
     synonyms: normally, usually, ordinarily, generally, generally speaking, in general, for the most part, in most cases, as a rule, typically; More
     overall, by and large, on the whole, on balance
     "on average, I suppose we watch a couple of hours of television a night"
2. 2.
   the apportionment of financial liability resulting from loss of or damage to a ship or its cargo.
   • reduction in the amount payable under an insurance policy, e.g. in respect of partial loss.

adjective
adjective: average

1. 1.
   constituting the result obtained by adding together several quantities and then dividing this total by the number of quantities.
   "the average temperature in May was 64°F"
   synonyms: mean, median, medial, middle
   "the average temperature in May was 4°C below normal"
   • of the usual or ordinary standard, level, or quantity.
     "a woman of average height"
     synonyms: ordinary, standard, usual, normal, typical, regular, unexceptional
     "a woman of average height"
   • having qualities that are seen as typical of a particular person or thing.
     "the average teenager prefers comfort to high fashion"
   • mediocre; not very good.
     "a very average director who made very average movies"
     synonyms: mediocre, second-rate, uninspired, undistinguished, ordinary, commonplace, middle-of-the-road, mainstream, unexceptional, unexciting, unremarkable, unmemorable, indifferent, humdrum, nothing special, everyday, bland, run-of-the-mill, not very good, pedestrian, prosaic, lackluster, forgettable, amateur, amateurish; More
     acceptable, passable, all right, adequate, fair, middling, moderate, tolerable;
     garden-variety;
     informalOK, so-so, bog-standard, fair-to-middling, (plain) vanilla, nothing to write home about, nothing to get excited about, a dime a dozen, no great shakes, not so hot, not up to much;
     informalcommon or garden, not much cop, ten a penny;
     informalbush-league;
     informaljake;
     informalhalf-pie
     "a very average director making very average movies"
     antonyms: outstanding, exceptional

verb
verb: average; 3rd person present: averages; past tense: averaged; past participle: averaged; gerund or present participle: averaging

1. 1.
   achieve or amount to as an average rate or amount over a period of time.
   "annual inflation averaged 2.4 percent"
   • calculate or estimate the average of (figures or measurements).
     "their earnings, averaged out over the month, were only $62 a week"
   • result in an even distribution; even out.
     "it is reasonable to hope that the results will average out"
   • result in an average figure of.
     "the cost should average out to about $6 per page"

Origin

late 15th century: from French avarie ‘damage to ship or cargo’, earlier ‘customs duty’, from Italian avaria, from Arabic ‘awār ‘damage to goods’; the suffix -age is on the pattern of damage . Originally denoting a duty payable by the owner of goods to be shipped, the term later denoted the financial liability from goods lost or damaged at sea, and specifically the equitable apportionment of this between the owners of the vessel and of the cargo (late 16th century); this gave rise to the general sense of calculating the mean (mid 18th century).

show me the map of your thermometers that you believe are used in averaging .

Why bother? If you were really interested, you would hsve found it on the internet. But you're not. You have no desire to learn the truth.

 

[jc456]

you haven't explained measured temperature yet. why not? it was your claim.

Again tell us why this is all wrong.... Global Temperature | Vital Signs – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

it isn't empirical evidence, it is models.

Look We have measurements. Those are empirical.

Models are used to extrapolate into the future.

Are you having a fucking meltdown because we can't take future measurements?> Is this why you are running in circles & screaming OMG OMG OMG?

L

that material doesn't explain shit. I'm asking you for measurements, ones around the globe, that big old fat fking thermometer that has average temperature of the world on it?

Oh, and have you heard that the earth has been in a few ice ages? how do you explain that? CO2 in the atmosphere twice to three times the concentration without man. still waiting.

Currently CO2 levels are around 411ppm. Can you post the time that CO2 levels were "two to three times" what they're now.

sure, here you go

How the World Passed a Carbon Threshold and Why It Matters

 

[RealDave]

From WIKI: Temperature is a physical quantity expressing hot and cold. It is measured with a thermometer calibrated in one or more temperature scales. The most commonly used scales are the Celsius scale (formerly called centigrade) (denoted °C), Fahrenheit scale (denoted °F), and Kelvin scale (denoted K).

Or this frpm NOAA

• Air Temperature
  USCRN stations are equipped with three independent thermometers which measure air temperature in degrees Celsius. The station's datalogger computes independent 5-minute averages using two-second readings from each thermometer. These multiple measurements are then used to derive the station's official hourly temperature value.

OMG OMG OMG they are measuring temperature OMG OMG OMG

now post the one that has the global thermometer. where is it and what does it look like?

It consists of many stations. Average global temperatures are found by taking an AVERAGE of these stations.

over 10,000 square miles apart? you're kidding right?

196.9 million square miles on the Earth's surface. Not too shabby.

spaced out every 10,000 square miles is useless.

do you iv your koolaid?

One in every 0.005% of the Earth's surface.

 

[RealDave]

Again tell us why this is all wrong.... Global Temperature | Vital Signs – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

it isn't empirical evidence, it is models.

Look We have measurements. Those are empirical.

Models are used to extrapolate into the future.

Are you having a fucking meltdown because we can't take future measurements?> Is this why you are running in circles & screaming OMG OMG OMG?

L

that material doesn't explain shit. I'm asking you for measurements, ones around the globe, that big old fat fking thermometer that has average temperature of the world on it?

Oh, and have you heard that the earth has been in a few ice ages? how do you explain that? CO2 in the atmosphere twice to three times the concentration without man. still waiting.

Currently CO2 levels are around 411ppm. Can you post the time that CO2 levels were "two to three times" what they're now.

sure, here you go

How the World Passed a Carbon Threshold and Why It Matters

Wow, you can find things on the internet.. Now read your fucking article & found out how those levels were that high without man.

 

[otto105]

Again tell us why this is all wrong.... Global Temperature | Vital Signs – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

it isn't empirical evidence, it is models.

Look We have measurements. Those are empirical.

Models are used to extrapolate into the future.

Are you having a fucking meltdown because we can't take future measurements?> Is this why you are running in circles & screaming OMG OMG OMG?

L

that material doesn't explain shit. I'm asking you for measurements, ones around the globe, that big old fat fking thermometer that has average temperature of the world on it?

Oh, and have you heard that the earth has been in a few ice ages? how do you explain that? CO2 in the atmosphere twice to three times the concentration without man. still waiting.

Currently CO2 levels are around 411ppm. Can you post the time that CO2 levels were "two to three times" what they're now.

sure, here you go

How the World Passed a Carbon Threshold and Why It Matters

And what does your posted article tell YOU?

 

[jc456]

it isn't empirical evidence, it is models.

Look We have measurements. Those are empirical.

Models are used to extrapolate into the future.

Are you having a fucking meltdown because we can't take future measurements?> Is this why you are running in circles & screaming OMG OMG OMG?

L

that material doesn't explain shit. I'm asking you for measurements, ones around the globe, that big old fat fking thermometer that has average temperature of the world on it?

Oh, and have you heard that the earth has been in a few ice ages? how do you explain that? CO2 in the atmosphere twice to three times the concentration without man. still waiting.

av·er·age
/ˈav(ə)rij/

Learn to pronounce

noun
noun: average; plural noun: averages

1. 1.
   a number expressing the central or typical value in a set of data, in particular the mode, median, or (most commonly) the mean, which is calculated by dividing the sum of the values in the set by their number.
   "the housing prices there are twice the national average"
   synonyms: mean, median, mode, midpoint, center; More
   norm, standard, rule, par;
   the general run
   "the price was low compared with the average of the past 25 years"
   • an amount, standard, level, or rate regarded as usual or ordinary.
     "they take about thirty minutes on average"
     synonyms: normally, usually, ordinarily, generally, generally speaking, in general, for the most part, in most cases, as a rule, typically; More
     overall, by and large, on the whole, on balance
     "on average, I suppose we watch a couple of hours of television a night"
2. 2.
   the apportionment of financial liability resulting from loss of or damage to a ship or its cargo.
   • reduction in the amount payable under an insurance policy, e.g. in respect of partial loss.

adjective
adjective: average

1. 1.
   constituting the result obtained by adding together several quantities and then dividing this total by the number of quantities.
   "the average temperature in May was 64°F"
   synonyms: mean, median, medial, middle
   "the average temperature in May was 4°C below normal"
   • of the usual or ordinary standard, level, or quantity.
     "a woman of average height"
     synonyms: ordinary, standard, usual, normal, typical, regular, unexceptional
     "a woman of average height"
   • having qualities that are seen as typical of a particular person or thing.
     "the average teenager prefers comfort to high fashion"
   • mediocre; not very good.
     "a very average director who made very average movies"
     synonyms: mediocre, second-rate, uninspired, undistinguished, ordinary, commonplace, middle-of-the-road, mainstream, unexceptional, unexciting, unremarkable, unmemorable, indifferent, humdrum, nothing special, everyday, bland, run-of-the-mill, not very good, pedestrian, prosaic, lackluster, forgettable, amateur, amateurish; More
     acceptable, passable, all right, adequate, fair, middling, moderate, tolerable;
     garden-variety;
     informalOK, so-so, bog-standard, fair-to-middling, (plain) vanilla, nothing to write home about, nothing to get excited about, a dime a dozen, no great shakes, not so hot, not up to much;
     informalcommon or garden, not much cop, ten a penny;
     informalbush-league;
     informaljake;
     informalhalf-pie
     "a very average director making very average movies"
     antonyms: outstanding, exceptional

verb
verb: average; 3rd person present: averages; past tense: averaged; past participle: averaged; gerund or present participle: averaging

1. 1.
   achieve or amount to as an average rate or amount over a period of time.
   "annual inflation averaged 2.4 percent"
   • calculate or estimate the average of (figures or measurements).
     "their earnings, averaged out over the month, were only $62 a week"
   • result in an even distribution; even out.
     "it is reasonable to hope that the results will average out"
   • result in an average figure of.
     "the cost should average out to about $6 per page"

Origin

late 15th century: from French avarie ‘damage to ship or cargo’, earlier ‘customs duty’, from Italian avaria, from Arabic ‘awār ‘damage to goods’; the suffix -age is on the pattern of damage . Originally denoting a duty payable by the owner of goods to be shipped, the term later denoted the financial liability from goods lost or damaged at sea, and specifically the equitable apportionment of this between the owners of the vessel and of the cargo (late 16th century); this gave rise to the general sense of calculating the mean (mid 18th century).

show me the map of your thermometers that you believe are used in averaging .

Why bother? If you were really interested, you would hsve found it on the internet. But you're not. You have no desire to learn the truth.

exactly, you won't bother because they don't exist. too fking funny. do you do stand up too?

 

[jc456]

it isn't empirical evidence, it is models.

Look We have measurements. Those are empirical.

Models are used to extrapolate into the future.

Are you having a fucking meltdown because we can't take future measurements?> Is this why you are running in circles & screaming OMG OMG OMG?

L

that material doesn't explain shit. I'm asking you for measurements, ones around the globe, that big old fat fking thermometer that has average temperature of the world on it?

Oh, and have you heard that the earth has been in a few ice ages? how do you explain that? CO2 in the atmosphere twice to three times the concentration without man. still waiting.

Currently CO2 levels are around 411ppm. Can you post the time that CO2 levels were "two to three times" what they're now.

sure, here you go

How the World Passed a Carbon Threshold and Why It Matters

And what does your posted article tell YOU?

what I said.

 

[otto105]

Look We have measurements. Those are empirical.

Models are used to extrapolate into the future.

Are you having a fucking meltdown because we can't take future measurements?> Is this why you are running in circles & screaming OMG OMG OMG?

L

that material doesn't explain shit. I'm asking you for measurements, ones around the globe, that big old fat fking thermometer that has average temperature of the world on it?

Oh, and have you heard that the earth has been in a few ice ages? how do you explain that? CO2 in the atmosphere twice to three times the concentration without man. still waiting.

Currently CO2 levels are around 411ppm. Can you post the time that CO2 levels were "two to three times" what they're now.

sure, here you go

How the World Passed a Carbon Threshold and Why It Matters

And what does your posted article tell YOU?

what I said.

That 200,000 Million years ago when our planet was still forming the CO2 levels were higher and that is relevant how?

Your article also points to man-made climate change and its effects that we will experience because of it. And no comment on that part.

 

[jc456]

that material doesn't explain shit. I'm asking you for measurements, ones around the globe, that big old fat fking thermometer that has average temperature of the world on it?

Oh, and have you heard that the earth has been in a few ice ages? how do you explain that? CO2 in the atmosphere twice to three times the concentration without man. still waiting.

Currently CO2 levels are around 411ppm. Can you post the time that CO2 levels were "two to three times" what they're now.

sure, here you go

How the World Passed a Carbon Threshold and Why It Matters

And what does your posted article tell YOU?

what I said.

That 200,000 Million years ago when our planet was still forming the CO2 levels were higher and that is relevant how?

you tell me, you say 400 PPM is dangerous. not so right?

And, it got that high how without man?

 

[otto105]

Currently CO2 levels are around 411ppm. Can you post the time that CO2 levels were "two to three times" what they're now.

sure, here you go

How the World Passed a Carbon Threshold and Why It Matters

And what does your posted article tell YOU?

what I said.

That 200,000 Million years ago when our planet was still forming the CO2 levels were higher and that is relevant how?

you tell me, you say 400 PPM is dangerous. not so right?

You don't consider this dangerous...

Excerpt from posted article
"At the current rate of growth in CO2, levels will hit 500 ppm within 50 years, putting us on track to reach temperature boosts of perhaps more than 3 degrees C (5.4°F) — a level that climate scientists say would cause bouts of extreme weather and sea level rise that would endanger global food supplies, cause disruptive mass migrations, and even destroy the Amazon rainforest through drought and fire."

Not to mention mass animal extinctions.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Again tell us why this is all wrong.... Global Temperature | Vital Signs – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

it isn't empirical evidence, it is models.

Look We have measurements. Those are empirical.

Models are used to extrapolate into the future.

Are you having a fucking meltdown because we can't take future measurements?> Is this why you are running in circles & screaming OMG OMG OMG?

L

that material doesn't explain shit. I'm asking you for measurements, ones around the globe, that big old fat fking thermometer that has average temperature of the world on it?

Oh, and have you heard that the earth has been in a few ice ages? how do you explain that? CO2 in the atmosphere twice to three times the concentration without man. still waiting.

Currently CO2 levels are around 411ppm. Can you post the time that CO2 levels were "two to three times" what they're now.

sure, here you go

How the World Passed a Carbon Threshold and Why It Matters

Very good. So acoordingly to YOUR OWN LINK,

To find a time when the planet’s air was consistently above 400 ppm you have to look much farther back to the warm part of the Miocene, some 16 million years ago, or the Early Oligocene, about 25 million years ago, when Earth was a very different place and its climate totally dissimilar from what we might expect today.

Now check this out:

See the problem? {Hint: no people beyond 5.5 million years ago}. Want no people? Sure looks that way!

 

[jc456]

sure, here you go

How the World Passed a Carbon Threshold and Why It Matters

And what does your posted article tell YOU?

what I said.

That 200,000 Million years ago when our planet was still forming the CO2 levels were higher and that is relevant how?

you tell me, you say 400 PPM is dangerous. not so right?

You don't consider this dangerous...

Excerpt from posted article
"At the current rate of growth in CO2, levels will hit 500 ppm within 50 years, putting us on track to reach temperature boosts of perhaps more than 3 degrees C (5.4°F) — a level that climate scientists say would cause bouts of extreme weather and sea level rise that would endanger global food supplies, cause disruptive mass migrations, and even destroy the Amazon rainforest through drought and fire."

Not to mention mass animal extinctions.

well two things, one: CO2 does not increase temperature, temperature drives the release of CO2 into the atmosphere.

Two: as soon as you tell me why warmer temperatures are dangerous. I'd be glad to lose -20 degree days from life.

 

[jc456]

it isn't empirical evidence, it is models.

Look We have measurements. Those are empirical.

Models are used to extrapolate into the future.

Are you having a fucking meltdown because we can't take future measurements?> Is this why you are running in circles & screaming OMG OMG OMG?

L

that material doesn't explain shit. I'm asking you for measurements, ones around the globe, that big old fat fking thermometer that has average temperature of the world on it?

Oh, and have you heard that the earth has been in a few ice ages? how do you explain that? CO2 in the atmosphere twice to three times the concentration without man. still waiting.

Currently CO2 levels are around 411ppm. Can you post the time that CO2 levels were "two to three times" what they're now.

sure, here you go

How the World Passed a Carbon Threshold and Why It Matters

Very good. So acoordingly to YOUR OWN LINK,

To find a time when the planet’s air was consistently above 400 ppm you have to look much farther back to the warm part of the Miocene, some 16 million years ago, or the Early Oligocene, about 25 million years ago, when Earth was a very different place and its climate totally dissimilar from what we might expect today.

Now check this out:

See the problem? {Hint: no people beyond 5.5 million years ago}. Want no people? Sure looks that way!

you miss the entire point, of man wasn't around, so natural CO2 can be that high in our world. and 400 PPM is far far away from those numbers. so again, you explain the evil of CO2. Oh and the earth went into an ice age, and hasn't recovered.

 

[Billy_Bob]

I've gotten my ass kicked with facts and now i must cry and deflect....

Fine admission!

Just pointing out your failure.... And the excuses you use to justify it..

 

[Billy_Bob]

it isn't empirical evidence, it is models.

Look We have measurements. Those are empirical.

Models are used to extrapolate into the future.

Are you having a fucking meltdown because we can't take future measurements?> Is this why you are running in circles & screaming OMG OMG OMG?

L

that material doesn't explain shit. I'm asking you for measurements, ones around the globe, that big old fat fking thermometer that has average temperature of the world on it?

Oh, and have you heard that the earth has been in a few ice ages? how do you explain that? CO2 in the atmosphere twice to three times the concentration without man. still waiting.

Currently CO2 levels are around 411ppm. Can you post the time that CO2 levels were "two to three times" what they're now.

sure, here you go

How the World Passed a Carbon Threshold and Why It Matters

Very good. So acoordingly to YOUR OWN LINK,

To find a time when the planet’s air was consistently above 400 ppm you have to look much farther back to the warm part of the Miocene, some 16 million years ago, or the Early Oligocene, about 25 million years ago, when Earth was a very different place and its climate totally dissimilar from what we might expect today.

Now check this out:

See the problem? {Hint: no people beyond 5.5 million years ago}. Want no people? Sure looks that way!

You really are a moron... The samples are 500 to 1000 years. This means a short rise and fall above 500ppm is possible and would not be seen. So your whole premise is bull shit.

 

[Billy_Bob]

that material doesn't explain shit. I'm asking you for measurements, ones around the globe, that big old fat fking thermometer that has average temperature of the world on it?

Oh, and have you heard that the earth has been in a few ice ages? how do you explain that? CO2 in the atmosphere twice to three times the concentration without man. still waiting.

Currently CO2 levels are around 411ppm. Can you post the time that CO2 levels were "two to three times" what they're now.

sure, here you go

How the World Passed a Carbon Threshold and Why It Matters

And what does your posted article tell YOU?

what I said.

That 200,000 Million years ago when our planet was still forming the CO2 levels were higher and that is relevant how?

Your article also points to man-made climate change and its effects that we will experience because of it. And no comment on that part.

It is relevant because the earth regulated its temperature despite the level. The earth remained within its 12 deg C range over the millennia and NEVER RAN AWAY...

 

[otto105]

And what does your posted article tell YOU?

what I said.

That 200,000 Million years ago when our planet was still forming the CO2 levels were higher and that is relevant how?

you tell me, you say 400 PPM is dangerous. not so right?

You don't consider this dangerous...

Excerpt from posted article
"At the current rate of growth in CO2, levels will hit 500 ppm within 50 years, putting us on track to reach temperature boosts of perhaps more than 3 degrees C (5.4°F) — a level that climate scientists say would cause bouts of extreme weather and sea level rise that would endanger global food supplies, cause disruptive mass migrations, and even destroy the Amazon rainforest through drought and fire."

Not to mention mass animal extinctions.

well two things, one: CO2 does not increase temperature, temperature drives the release of CO2 into the atmosphere.

Two: as soon as you tell me why warmer temperatures are dangerous. I'd be glad to lose -20 degree days from life.

One, wrong.

Two, we already did.