Prominent Muslim Sheik Issues Fatwa Against Isis Violence

[Coyote]

Prominent Muslim Sheik Issues Fatwa Against ISIS Violence NPR

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Sheik Abdullah bin Bayyah is interviewed about his fatwa explaining why ISIS is wrong to claim that Islam supports violence and the establishment of a caliphate by force.

Then he singled out one organization and one man leading that charge: the new Forum for Promoting Peace in Muslim Societies and Sheik Abdullah bin Bayyah. Describing the group's purpose, the sheik said, "We must declare war on war so the outcome will be peace upon peace."

Bin Bayyah, 79, is a prominent Muslim cleric and, as a respected religious scholar, has issued edicts to explain why groups such as the so-called Islamic State, also known as ISIL or ISIS, are misguided and should reverse course.

Last week, key clerics from the Muslim world issued two fatwas, or religious edicts, against the group.

One came from senior religious leaders in Saudi Arabia, and the other came from bin Bayyah. His fatwa calls for dialogue about the true tenets of Islam and, over the course of many pages, questions just about everything for which ISIS says it stands. The fatwa says establishing a caliphate by force is a misreading of religious doctrine. Killing of innocents and violence, the fatwa declares, are wrong too.

Bin Bayyah said in an interview with NPR that he hopes the religious ruling will slow the group's momentum. "Primarily [the fatwa] is really about addressing the mistakes, and it's really warning them and advising them that what you are doing is clearly wrong," he said.

Bin Bayyah is known as a scholar's scholar. He was born in the North African country of Mauritania and studied in Islamic centers there. He served as a judge of the High Court in Mauritania and had a number of ministerial positions. Now he's a lecturer at the Aziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.

ISIS is not Islamic.

And here, once again, are Muslim voices speaking out against and doing something about this extremist group.

 

[AquaAthena]

ISIS is an acronym for Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.

 

[High_Gravity]

If ISIS is not Islamic why are Muslims going to fight for them?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

ISIS is most certainly Islamic, so the claim in the OP simply isn't true. Now, apologists certainly do not WANT them to be Islamic, since the entire purpose of their apologia is to defend anything and everything associated with Islam, but one cleric issuing a fatwa does not mean they aren't Islamic -- it just means that there are disagreements within Islam, just as there are in any other religion.

One could just as easily engage in this ruse with Christianity or Judaism by claiming that certain elements contained within are not Christian or Jewish, but that has more to do with an internecine squabble within the religions as to purity of belief than it does objective reality.

 

[shart_attack]

If ISIS is not Islamic why are Muslims going to fight for them?

Lots of folks who thought they were "Christians" signed up to fight for Hitler's wehrmacht, you know.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

 

[Luddly Neddite]

If ISIS is not Islamic why are Muslims going to fight for them?

We have also seen that American are fighting with them.

 

[High_Gravity]

If ISIS is not Islamic why are Muslims going to fight for them?

Lots of folks who thought they were "Christians" signed up to fight for Hitler's wehrmacht, you know.

The Nazis were not doing Gods work or focused on the Bible as far as I know.

 

[Katzndogz]

It's from NPR. Do you really expect something substantive?

Shieks are tribal leaders not Islamic scholars. They can't issue fatwas. Fatwas can only be issued by an Islamic scholar or religious leader like a mufti or ayatollah.

NPR depends on people not understanding Islamic law or the difference between who is able to issue a fatwa or who isn't.

fatwa - definition of fatwa by The Free Dictionary

 

[High_Gravity]

If ISIS is not Islamic why are Muslims going to fight for them?

We have also seen that American are fighting with them.

Yes, Muslim Americans sure.

 

[Coyote]

ISIS is an acronym for Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.

Doesn't mean it is Islamic.

North Korea's official name is Democratic People's Republic of Korea.....you see anything "democratic" about NK?

 

[Coyote]

If ISIS is not Islamic why are Muslims going to fight for them?

Because young people can be incredibly stupid and gullible.

 

[Esmeralda]

I don't understand why people don't get this. I really don't understand. It is a simple concept. Just because these people, groups like ISIS, SAY they are acting in the name of Islam, that does not mean they are. Just because very misguided and extremist people join ISIS and fight with them, that does not mean those people represent Islam. They are misguided, they are crazy, they are terrorists and extremists...they do not represent mainstream, modern day Islam. It is a very, very simple concept. IMO, anyone who doesn't get it just doesn't want to.

I can go out and say I am fighting for Christ and mow down a dozen people with a machine gun. That does not mean I represent Christ; it just means I say I do. Anyone interested in truth knows my actions do not represent Christ.

 

[Esmeralda]

 

[shart_attack]

If ISIS is not Islamic why are Muslims going to fight for them?

Lots of folks who thought they were "Christians" signed up to fight for Hitler's wehrmacht, you know.

The Nazis were not doing Gods work or focused on the Bible as far as I know.

Apparently you don't know much, because yeah, they were.

Hitler and his inner circle of Vril-worshipping occultists wrapped themselves under the cloak of Christianity to appeal to the volk.

Any Western Civilization II professor will tell you that.

 

[High_Gravity]

If ISIS is not Islamic why are Muslims going to fight for them?

Because young people can be incredibly stupid and gullible.

Well, you have a point there.

 

[High_Gravity]

If ISIS is not Islamic why are Muslims going to fight for them?

Lots of folks who thought they were "Christians" signed up to fight for Hitler's wehrmacht, you know.

The Nazis were not doing Gods work or focused on the Bible as far as I know.

Apparently you don't know much, because yeah, they were.

Hitler and his inner circle of Vril-worshipping occultists wrapped themselves under the cloak of Christianity to appeal to the volk.

Any Western Civilization II professor will tell you that.

Yeah ok.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The key word here is "represent".

The KKK represents the beliefs of a certain number of Christians. Isis/Isil and their ilk represent the beliefs of a certain number of Muslims. What apologists consistently fail to acknowledge is HOW MANY they do, indeed, represent in either case.

Without intellectual honesty, the entire discussion becomes bogged down by sophistry. If a person has to resort to finding something that is extremely rare in one religion in order to defend something that is quite common in another, they are indulging in just that. .

 

[Coyote]

It's from NPR. Do you really expect something substantive?

Shieks are tribal leaders not Islamic scholars. They can't issue fatwas. Fatwas can only be issued by an Islamic scholar or religious leader like a mufti or ayatollah.

NPR depends on people not understanding Islamic law or the difference between who is able to issue a fatwa or who isn't.

fatwa - definition of fatwa by The Free Dictionary

Fatwa:

A fatwā (Arabic: فتوى‎; plural fatāwā Arabic: فتاوى‎) in the Islamic faith is the term for the legal opinion or learned interpretation that a qualified jurist or mufti can give on issues pertaining to the Islamic law.[1] The person who issues a fatwā is called, in that respect, a Mufti, i.e. an issuer of fatwā, from the verb أَفْتَى 'aftā = "he gave a formal legal opinion on". This is not necessarily a formal position since most Muslims argue that anyone trained in Islamic law may give an opinion (fatwā) on its teachings. If a fatwā does not break new ground, then it is simply called a ruling.[2]

An analogy might be made to the issue of legal opinions from courts in common-law systems. Fatwās generally contain the details of the scholar's reasoning, typically in response to a particular case, and are considered binding precedent by those Muslims who have bound themselves to that scholar, including future muftis; mere rulings can be compared to memorandum opinions. The primary difference between common-law opinions and fatwās, however, is that fatwās are not universally binding; as sharia law is not universally consistent and Islam is very non-hierarchical in structure, fatwās do not carry the sort of weight that secular common-law opinions do.
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Abdallah bin Mahfudh ibn Bayyah

Abdallah bin Mahfudh ibn Bayyah (born 1935[1]) was born in Mauritania. He teaches at King Abdul Aziz University in Saudi Arabia.[3] He is a specialist in all four traditional Sunni schools, with an emphasis on the Maliki Madh'hab.

In his youth, he was appointed to study legal judgments in Tunis. On returning to Mauritania, he became Minister of Education and later Minister of Justice. He was also appointed a Vice President of the first president of Mauritania.[3]

Bin Bayyah is involved in number of scholarly councils including The Islamic Fiqh Council, a Saudi-based Institute, he was also the Vice-President of International Union of Muslim Scholars.[4] from which he resigned mid 2013.[5] He is also a member of the Dublin-based European Council for Fatwa and Research, a council of Muslim clerics that aims at explaining Islamic law in a way that is sensitive to the realities of European Muslims.[6]

He was ranked amongst the 500 most influential Muslims from 2009 - 2013.[7]

Bin Bayyah is one of the Ulama signatories of the Amman Message, which gives a broad foundation for defining Muslim orthodoxy.[8]

The Amman Message (Arabic: رسالة عمان‎) is a statement calling for tolerance and unity in the Muslim world that was issued on 9 November 2004 (27th of Ramadan 1425 AH) by King Abdullah II bin Al-Hussein of Jordan.[1] Subsequently, a three-point ruling was issued by 200 Islamic scholars from over 50 countries, focusing on issues of defining who a Muslim is; excommunication from Islam (takfir), and; principles related to delivering religious edicts (fatāwa).[2]​

I think NPR knows more about Islam than you seem to.

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[AquaAthena]

Interesting back-n-forth: