Priest murdered in France.. Possibly a Nun clings to life

[OldLady]

Reports now are that he was actually beheaded. In front of the congregation.

There are no words that can express...what I feel.

Bless his heart.

 

[ChrisL]

The ones that are already here and have established lives here and live by OUR laws are fine and can stay as far as I'm concerned, but let's not import any more.

I think people have become numbed by all the muslim attacks to the point where they really do not care anymore....if they ever did...as long as it is happening to 'someone else'...and by that I mean to anyone who is not a family member. Our situation is similar to that of two wild animals fighting...when one of them has been inflicted a serious blow they tend to become disoriented, coinfused and then simply give up and die. We have not been afflicted with a death blow yet..but enough damage has been done to coinfuse a great many people to the point where they have no concept of how to defend themselves...and even worse they are so coinfused they essentially help our enemies to keep attacking us...death by a thousand blows.

Regarding the ones already here...time and again we have seen some of them committ atrocities right here in America....the results at least half the nation goes into denial...let me correct that....they remain in denial....they went into denial right after 9/11...and then bush and his stupidity further coinfused them and reinforced their denial attitude.

Also.....you may not know but we are expending a huge amount of money in order for the FBI to monitor the most suspicious ones....so your notion that it is 'fine' for them to be here does not wash....now about this time you or someone else will open their piehole to remind us 'but they are not all that way'...that not all muslims are terrorists....that islam is a peaceful religion.,,,that it is not the American way to discriminate against muslims or to profile muslims or to deny them their desire to come here.

So what can be done? At this point I think very little....this administration has deep emotional attachments to islam...and that will preclude us as a nation from doing anything of a very positive nature....at least for the time being...perhaps for much longer depending on whether or not hillary is able to lie her way into office...the media is certainly trying to enable that.

Those who understand the truth of what is happening also understand that those who do not by now realize the truth of this situation...most likely never will...no matter what the muslims do....that is to the point up and untill they acquire the means and methods to set off a nuke-- say in NYC....and even then no doubt some of the liberals would make excuses for that...aka...oh well we should not have supported Israel.

Bottom line we are losing because we are not winning....'in war there is no substitue for victory'....you either win or you lose. We, so far have chosen not to fight to win. We have fought on a limited basis...George Bush deciding to pursue the limited war concept that enabled us to lose in Korea and in Vietnam...some never learn. There is no fixing stupidity....we must live with it...at least as long as possible...time is on their side.

America has become a nation of fools....despite the fact that there are a lot of good intelligent people here who do not deserved to be 'yoked' with the stupids. But how do we seperate the 'wheat' from the 'chaff'?

The ones who are here and not on an FBI watch list are not doing anything wrong. BUT we should not accept anymore unless we want to end up like Europe.

 

[ChrisL]

It is unrealistic to "round them all up and deport them." That is NOT a realistic solution, especially when you start targeting people who have done nothing wrong and DO in fact follow our secular laws.

 

[waltky]

ISIS claims priest murder...

Islamic State Group Claims Attack That Killed Priest of 85
Jul 26, 2016 — Two attackers slit the throat of an 85-year-old priest celebrating Mass in a French church, killing him and gravely injuring one of the few worshippers present before being shot to death by police. A nun who escaped said she saw the attackers video themselves and "give a sermon in Arabic" around the altar.

The Islamic State group claimed responsibility for the first attack in a church in the West. Police rescued three other people inside the church — including a second nun — in the small northwestern town of Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray, said Interior Ministry spokesman Pierre-Henry Brandet. A regional Muslim leader said one of the two attackers — both killed outside the church — was known to police. A police official said he had tried to go to Syria. It was the first known attack claimed by IS inside a church in the West. A church outside Paris was targeted last year, but the attack never was carried out.

A statement published by the Islamic State-affiliated Amaq news agency said the attack was carried out by "two soldiers of the Islamic State" who acted in response to calls to target nations in the U.S.-led coalition fighting IS in Iraq and Syria. The statement echoed claims in other recent attacks in France and neighboring Germany. It repeated its threat to Western "crusaders." The RAID special intervention force carried out a search for possible explosives in or around the church. "The investigations are ongoing. There are still unknowns," Brandet said. "There are dogs, explosive detectors and bomb disposal services" at the church outside Rouen.

police officers speak to a driver as they close off a road during a hostage situation in Normandy, France​

A nun who was in the church said the priest was forced to the ground before his throat was slit. The nun, identified as Sister Danielle, told BFM television: "They forced him to his knees. He wanted to defend himself. And that's when the tragedy happened." She said the attackers recorded themselves. "They did a sort of sermon around the altar, in Arabic. It's a horror" Dominique Lebrun, the archbishop of Rouen, confirmed the death of 86-year-old Rev. Jacques Hamel. "I cry out to God, with all men of good will. And I invite all non-believers to unite with this cry," Lebrun wrote in a statement from Krakow, Poland. "The Catholic Church has no other arms besides prayer and fraternity between men."

The priest "was always ready to help," said Rouen diocese official Philippe Mahut. He said Hamel had been at the church for the past decade. "Sometimes he was running all around, and his desire was to spread a message for which he consecrated his life," Mahut said in an interview with AP. "And he certainly didn't think that consecrating his life would mean for him to die while celebrating a Mass, which is a message of love." French President Francois Hollande, arriving on the scene, called it a "vile terrorist attack" and one more sign that France is at war with the Islamic State group, which has claimed a string of attacks on France plus two in Germany. "We must lead this war with all our means," he said, adding that he was calling a meeting on Wednesday of representatives of all religions.

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[Sundance508]

The ones that are already here and have established lives here and live by OUR laws are fine and can stay as far as I'm concerned, but let's not import any more.

I think people have become numbed by all the muslim attacks to the point where they really do not care anymore....if they ever did...as long as it is happening to 'someone else'...and by that I mean to anyone who is not a family member. Our situation is similar to that of two wild animals fighting...when one of them has been inflicted a serious blow they tend to become disoriented, coinfused and then simply give up and die. We have not been afflicted with a death blow yet..but enough damage has been done to coinfuse a great many people to the point where they have no concept of how to defend themselves...and even worse they are so coinfused they essentially help our enemies to keep attacking us...death by a thousand blows.

Regarding the ones already here...time and again we have seen some of them committ atrocities right here in America....the results at least half the nation goes into denial...let me correct that....they remain in denial....they went into denial right after 9/11...and then bush and his stupidity further coinfused them and reinforced their denial attitude.

Also.....you may not know but we are expending a huge amount of money in order for the FBI to monitor the most suspicious ones....so your notion that it is 'fine' for them to be here does not wash....now about this time you or someone else will open their piehole to remind us 'but they are not all that way'...that not all muslims are terrorists....that islam is a peaceful religion.,,,that it is not the American way to discriminate against muslims or to profile muslims or to deny them their desire to come here.

So what can be done? At this point I think very little....this administration has deep emotional attachments to islam...and that will preclude us as a nation from doing anything of a very positive nature....at least for the time being...perhaps for much longer depending on whether or not hillary is able to lie her way into office...the media is certainly trying to enable that.

Those who understand the truth of what is happening also understand that those who do not by now realize the truth of this situation...most likely never will...no matter what the muslims do....that is to the point up and untill they acquire the means and methods to set off a nuke-- say in NYC....and even then no doubt some of the liberals would make excuses for that...aka...oh well we should not have supported Israel.

Bottom line we are losing because we are not winning....'in war there is no substitue for victory'....you either win or you lose. We, so far have chosen not to fight to win. We have fought on a limited basis...George Bush deciding to pursue the limited war concept that enabled us to lose in Korea and in Vietnam...some never learn. There is no fixing stupidity....we must live with it...at least as long as possible...time is on their side.

America has become a nation of fools....despite the fact that there are a lot of good intelligent people here who do not deserved to be 'yoked' with the stupids. But how do we seperate the 'wheat' from the 'chaff'?

The ones who are here and not on an FBI watch list are not doing anything wrong. BUT we should not accept anymore unless we want to end up like Europe.

Every muslim is innocent up at least until they do something wrong....the point being...it does not take that much for one of them to become radicalized...oh they had a bad day, their girlfriend left them, they lost their job, etc.etc. and so on and so forth.

But it is their children that present the greatest danger....they are the ones most susceptible to becoming radicalized.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiF3bCF2pHOAhWJWCYKHV83CEIQFggeMAA&url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/13/second-generation-americans-proving-most-fruitful-/&usg=AFQjCNFlBVrQgSV3DswsrG1-FHQTphE9hQ&sig2=6Fn6NAVI8wYbicFXL-OEdQ

Even if we stopped all muslims from immigrating here .....we would still have a huge,huge problem....there are more than enough of them here already to do us grievious harm.

I am not calling for the expulsion of all muslims at this point....what we need to do or where we need to start at least is to deport those that are so suspicious that the FBI has to monitor them....just doing that would make a big improvement.....get rid of the most dangerous ones, save a lot of money and manpower that the FBI could use elsewhere.

We should not forget how the west coast japanese were relocated during wwii because they posed a serious threat....if the people we have in charge now were in charge back them...they would have of course said....'relocate all the west coast japanese?....that is not realistic...that is not possible.

But was possible and it was done in a most successful manner. Much can be done in the name of National Security...and much needs to be done.

 

[ChrisL]

The ones that are already here and have established lives here and live by OUR laws are fine and can stay as far as I'm concerned, but let's not import any more.

I think people have become numbed by all the muslim attacks to the point where they really do not care anymore....if they ever did...as long as it is happening to 'someone else'...and by that I mean to anyone who is not a family member. Our situation is similar to that of two wild animals fighting...when one of them has been inflicted a serious blow they tend to become disoriented, coinfused and then simply give up and die. We have not been afflicted with a death blow yet..but enough damage has been done to coinfuse a great many people to the point where they have no concept of how to defend themselves...and even worse they are so coinfused they essentially help our enemies to keep attacking us...death by a thousand blows.

Regarding the ones already here...time and again we have seen some of them committ atrocities right here in America....the results at least half the nation goes into denial...let me correct that....they remain in denial....they went into denial right after 9/11...and then bush and his stupidity further coinfused them and reinforced their denial attitude.

Also.....you may not know but we are expending a huge amount of money in order for the FBI to monitor the most suspicious ones....so your notion that it is 'fine' for them to be here does not wash....now about this time you or someone else will open their piehole to remind us 'but they are not all that way'...that not all muslims are terrorists....that islam is a peaceful religion.,,,that it is not the American way to discriminate against muslims or to profile muslims or to deny them their desire to come here.

So what can be done? At this point I think very little....this administration has deep emotional attachments to islam...and that will preclude us as a nation from doing anything of a very positive nature....at least for the time being...perhaps for much longer depending on whether or not hillary is able to lie her way into office...the media is certainly trying to enable that.

Those who understand the truth of what is happening also understand that those who do not by now realize the truth of this situation...most likely never will...no matter what the muslims do....that is to the point up and untill they acquire the means and methods to set off a nuke-- say in NYC....and even then no doubt some of the liberals would make excuses for that...aka...oh well we should not have supported Israel.

Bottom line we are losing because we are not winning....'in war there is no substitue for victory'....you either win or you lose. We, so far have chosen not to fight to win. We have fought on a limited basis...George Bush deciding to pursue the limited war concept that enabled us to lose in Korea and in Vietnam...some never learn. There is no fixing stupidity....we must live with it...at least as long as possible...time is on their side.

America has become a nation of fools....despite the fact that there are a lot of good intelligent people here who do not deserved to be 'yoked' with the stupids. But how do we seperate the 'wheat' from the 'chaff'?

The ones who are here and not on an FBI watch list are not doing anything wrong. BUT we should not accept anymore unless we want to end up like Europe.

Every muslim is innocent up at least until they do something wrong....the point being...it does not take that much for one of them to become radicalized...oh they had a bad day, their girlfriend left them, they lost their job, etc.etc. and so on and so forth.

But it is their children that present the greatest danger....they are the ones most susceptible to becoming radicalized.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiF3bCF2pHOAhWJWCYKHV83CEIQFggeMAA&url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/13/second-generation-americans-proving-most-fruitful-/&usg=AFQjCNFlBVrQgSV3DswsrG1-FHQTphE9hQ&sig2=6Fn6NAVI8wYbicFXL-OEdQ

That is how it works in our country. Just like the left has NO right to persecute gun owners who have done nothing wrong. Be consistent!

 

[Sundance508]

The ones that are already here and have established lives here and live by OUR laws are fine and can stay as far as I'm concerned, but let's not import any more.

I think people have become numbed by all the muslim attacks to the point where they really do not care anymore....if they ever did...as long as it is happening to 'someone else'...and by that I mean to anyone who is not a family member. Our situation is similar to that of two wild animals fighting...when one of them has been inflicted a serious blow they tend to become disoriented, coinfused and then simply give up and die. We have not been afflicted with a death blow yet..but enough damage has been done to coinfuse a great many people to the point where they have no concept of how to defend themselves...and even worse they are so coinfused they essentially help our enemies to keep attacking us...death by a thousand blows.

Regarding the ones already here...time and again we have seen some of them committ atrocities right here in America....the results at least half the nation goes into denial...let me correct that....they remain in denial....they went into denial right after 9/11...and then bush and his stupidity further coinfused them and reinforced their denial attitude.

Also.....you may not know but we are expending a huge amount of money in order for the FBI to monitor the most suspicious ones....so your notion that it is 'fine' for them to be here does not wash....now about this time you or someone else will open their piehole to remind us 'but they are not all that way'...that not all muslims are terrorists....that islam is a peaceful religion.,,,that it is not the American way to discriminate against muslims or to profile muslims or to deny them their desire to come here.

So what can be done? At this point I think very little....this administration has deep emotional attachments to islam...and that will preclude us as a nation from doing anything of a very positive nature....at least for the time being...perhaps for much longer depending on whether or not hillary is able to lie her way into office...the media is certainly trying to enable that.

Those who understand the truth of what is happening also understand that those who do not by now realize the truth of this situation...most likely never will...no matter what the muslims do....that is to the point up and untill they acquire the means and methods to set off a nuke-- say in NYC....and even then no doubt some of the liberals would make excuses for that...aka...oh well we should not have supported Israel.

Bottom line we are losing because we are not winning....'in war there is no substitue for victory'....you either win or you lose. We, so far have chosen not to fight to win. We have fought on a limited basis...George Bush deciding to pursue the limited war concept that enabled us to lose in Korea and in Vietnam...some never learn. There is no fixing stupidity....we must live with it...at least as long as possible...time is on their side.

America has become a nation of fools....despite the fact that there are a lot of good intelligent people here who do not deserved to be 'yoked' with the stupids. But how do we seperate the 'wheat' from the 'chaff'?

The ones who are here and not on an FBI watch list are not doing anything wrong. BUT we should not accept anymore unless we want to end up like Europe.

Every muslim is innocent up at least until they do something wrong....the point being...it does not take that much for one of them to become radicalized...oh they had a bad day, their girlfriend left them, they lost their job, etc.etc. and so on and so forth.

But it is their children that present the greatest danger....they are the ones most susceptible to becoming radicalized.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiF3bCF2pHOAhWJWCYKHV83CEIQFggeMAA&url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/13/second-generation-americans-proving-most-fruitful-/&usg=AFQjCNFlBVrQgSV3DswsrG1-FHQTphE9hQ&sig2=6Fn6NAVI8wYbicFXL-OEdQ

That is how it works in our country. Just like the left has NO right to persecute gun owners who have done nothing wrong. Be consistent!

Of course that is how it is now....and that is the problem.

Had the West Coast Japanese done anything wrong? Not the majority....but they were all forced to re-locate from the West Coast. Why? Because of the vital military installations on the west coast that were vulnurable to sabotage, because due to the 'magic intercepts' and other intelligence information FDR knew there were Japanese operatives on the West Coast engaged in espionage and potentially sabotage.

The question you need to consider is do the Muslims residing in America at this time pose a National Security Risk?

I hope you understand that National Security trumps the constitution...the President has the power to do whatever is deemed required to protect our National Security...most liberals do not understand that. In fact the number one obligation of the President is to protect the American people....at which he has failed and is failing miserably.

It has been shown, it has been demonstrated just how easily and how quickly a muslim can become 'radicalized' just because they have lived here for awhile and done nothing illegal as far as it is known....does not offer much reassurance as to their loyalty....or the danger they pose.

islam is islam....study it....anyone that does-- understands that it is by its very nature radical....to use the phrase 'radical islam' is a oxymoron....

There has never been a nation that had much of a population of muslims that has not suffered because of it.....a good analogy is like injecting cancer cells into a other wise healthy person and telling him he can live with it.


FRENCH TERRORIST SUSPECTED OF BEHEADING PRIEST ALLOWED TO ROAM “UNSUPERVISED”
State of Emergency law stops activists, but not terrorists
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Are the French incompetent, or is something else going on?

It turns out one of the attackers who killed and beheaded an 86-year old Catholic priest at Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray near Rouen, Normandy was a convicted terrorist.

The as-of-yet unnamed terrorist was ordered to live with his parents and wear an electronic tag to monitor his movements. He was allowed out unsupervised between 8:30 am and 12:30 pm. The murder of Father Jacques Hamel occurred between 9:45 and 11 am. The suspect was arrested after he left for Syria in 2015 to join the jihadists trying to overthrow the government of Bashar al-Assad.

 

[Claudette]

Islamo- fascist nutjobs is this what we want here? Churches attacked nuns taken hostage

Two knife-wielding men yelling “Daesh!” – an Arabic acronym for ISIS – brutally murdered an 84-year-old priest Tuesday inside a French church where they took hostages, according to reports.

Two nuns and two worshipers were in the church in the town of Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray in Normandy when the jihadists broke in during Mass, and slit priest Jacques Hamel’s throat, an Interior Ministry spokesman told Agence France-Presse.

An anti-gang police unit responded after one of the nuns escaped and called for help, The Local reported. After an hour-long standoff, cops killed the assailants and freed three hostages.

One hostage suffered life-threatening injuries.

Paris prosecutor’s office said the case was being handled by anti-terrorism prosecutors.

Priest killed in France church attack | New York Post

Looks to me like the French police should start shooting all Muslims on site. That'll learn em.

 

[Tilly]

Where are all the ideologue liberals to defend Islam?

I suppose it is becoming increasingly difficult for even them to continue with their spin over and over again - ie it's just another isolated event, he's mentally ill, he's a Christian convert Right wing lunatic, he was ashamed of being gay, bisexual, a male prostitute, his wife upset him, a child wore shorts and a T shirt - etc etc etc.

 

[Tilly]

About Kermiche, the Islamic terrorist

...He was known to have been a friend of Maxime Hauchard, a French jihadi who has appeared unmasked in videos showing the slaughter of captives from the USA and Syria...

Pictured: ISIS knifeman who slit elderly priest's throat in Normandy

 

[Theowl32]

It is unrealistic to "round them all up and deport them." That is NOT a realistic solution, especially when you start targeting people who have done nothing wrong and DO in fact follow our secular laws.

The problem is the perceived "good muslims" are the ones that are not carrying out, or living out their faith. There is nothing in the Christian New Testament that commands followers of Christ to kill the infidel.

I will be happy to show you verse after verse after verse from their so called holy book that commands their followers to do exactly what these "bad muslims" are doing. That is the wrong paradigm cause their version of "holiness" flies in the face of everything that we know instinctively.

The simple fact is we still have no clue what it is to have gone to war with fanatics like this. We saw a version of it with the Japanese in that they too were fanatical. However, it was not close to as widespread as these animals.

Hence, the reason we should have never gotten involved with them. No, it did not start with Boooooosh. This has been a major thorn in our side since the Carter debacle, or even before.

The simple fact is until we change our collective thoughts on how we are suppose to fight such fanaticism, then this will be a death by a thousand cuts. Which is what they are doing.

We need to get our heads right. Especially when we talk about "good muslims." Remember, those are the unfaithful ones. See the difference? The true faithful Christians are ones like this person.

The Max Kolbe Story. Please watch that short piece


The simple fact is we see Christianity publicily denounce organizations like the KKK or the westboro people. From the pulpit and there is nothing in the New Testament that justifies their actions.

That is the big major difference.

So again, the "good muslims" are actually the unfaithful ones. Understand that distinction?

 

[Gracie]

Your article says the knife wielding men where yelling “Daesh!” as they attacked. And goes on to say ISIS is responsible.

Most likely is was common criminals robbing the church and shouting “Daesh” to shift the blame from themselves and mislead the police.

Because no ISIS member would use that term, As they consider it a slur against their organization. .......

This is true.

With that said....nuke Mecca. Enough of this pussyfooting around.

 

[Sunni Man]

With that said....nuke Mecca. Enough of this pussyfooting around.

What would nuking Mecca do? .....

 

[Gracie]

Wait until a priest or some christians going to church HERE get beheaded while filmed and arabic sermon being filmed. Maybe one of those in church will be a family member of someone HERE. Maybe many family members. Maybe a school. Disneyland? A populated beach with a suicide bomber pretending to sunbathe?

NUKE MECCA. They take ours out...take THEIRS out. Tit for tat.

 

[Gracie]

With that said....nuke Mecca. Enough of this pussyfooting around.

What would nuking Mecca do? .....

Off a shitload of scumbags.

 

[ChrisL]

It is unrealistic to "round them all up and deport them." That is NOT a realistic solution, especially when you start targeting people who have done nothing wrong and DO in fact follow our secular laws.

The problem is the perceived "good muslims" are the ones that are not carrying out, or living out their faith. There is nothing in the Christian New Testament that commands followers of Christ to kill the infidel.

I will be happy to show you verse after verse after verse from their so called holy book that commands their followers to do exactly what these "bad muslims" are doing. That is the wrong paradigm cause their version of "holiness" flies in the face of everything that we know instinctively.

The simple fact is we still have no clue what it is to have gone to war with fanatics like this. We saw a version of it with the Japanese in that they too were fanatical. However, it was not close to as widespread as these animals.

Hence, the reason we should have never gotten involved with them. No, it did not start with Boooooosh. This has been a major thorn in our side since the Carter debacle, or even before.

The simple fact is until we change our collective thoughts on how we are suppose to fight such fanaticism, then this will be a death by a thousand cuts. Which is what they are doing.

We need to get our heads right. Especially when we talk about "good muslims." Remember, those are the unfaithful ones. See the difference? The true faithful Christians are ones like this person.

The Max Kolbe Story. Please watch that short piece


The simple fact is we see Christianity publicily denounce organizations like the KKK or the westboro people. From the pulpit and there is nothing in the New Testament that justifies their actions.

That is the big major difference.

So again, the "good muslims" are actually the unfaithful ones. Understand that distinction?

I understand that, but there are Muslims who were born and raised in American culture and are much more accepting and tolerant of differences between themselves and others and who would not commit acts of terrorism. I am not saying that they are ALL like that but some certainly are. My major concern revolves around INCREASING the Muslim population to a point where we cannot possibly control acts of terrorism.

 

[ChrisL]

Where are all the ideologue liberals to defend Islam?

I suppose it is becoming increasingly difficult for even them to continue with their spin over and over again - ie it's just another isolated event, he's mentally ill, he's a Christian convert Right wing lunatic, he was ashamed of being gay, bisexual, a male prostitute, his wife upset him, a child wore shorts and a T shirt - etc etc etc.

Yeah well, I'm posting on another thread right now where they are certainly still on the defense of Islam.

 

[ChrisL]

I want to make one thing clear about MY views. I don't hate individual Muslims. I don't want to nuke them or kill them. I just want them to leave their middle aged ideology in their own countries. I hate their ideology, and I don't want it here. As a free woman who knows that brave and tough American women before my time fought for and defended MY rights, I find Islam a threat to my freedom.

 

[Jroc]

Where are all the ideologue liberals to defend Islam?

They're at the Convention

 

[Jroc]

No leftist idiots dared to comment on this...That says so much