Prevention is cheaper than cure

[HereWeGoAgain]

Wow.....

Who knew prevention was cheaper than a cure ?

Not too many people in this forum, apparently. Got a story you'd like to share?

You started this thread.

You think people will actually join in ?

Not to bright.....are you ?

Meh....the a-hole is about to go on ignore.
He posts nothing of note....ever.

 

[Arianrhod]

I am fully in favor of wellness programs.

Maybe I should have used the term "wellness programs," but then the thinskins would be screaming about "PC."

I am also in favor of significant medical insurance reform. Sadly Obamacare ain't it.

I agree. The answer is single-payer, but then people start screaming "socialism!!!!11!"

And the PPACA as passed was not the PPACA as proposed. The Republicans in Congress chipped away at it for years (despite its similarities to Romneycare), then tried 50+ to kill it anyway.

However, it is a step toward single-payer, and single-payer will be a reality eventually.

Obamacare is slowly going to put my local pharmacy out of business, as it will drive all other small mom and pop businesses out of business.

Two things: One, I'm not sure how the PPACA is implicated in that and two, I'm surprised they've been able to survive this long into the Age of Wallyworld.

Type II diabetes is a lifestyle disease.

Not exclusively. There is a familial component. True, most type 2s are overweight, but not all.

Some forms of lung cancer are lifestyle diseases. Most forms of COPD are lifestyle diseases.

True and true.

However, your belief that through a government controlled medical system coupled with governmental tyrannical control of people, to somehow control those diseases, is simply ludicrous.

(A) The PPACA is none of those things and (B) my point was that many people with symptoms previously avoided doctors because they knew they could not afford extensive medical tests or feared they'd be turned away for preexisting conditions.

Now that the insurers don't have the luxury of dismissing patients for preexisting conditions, more people will get screenings, more lives will be saved, and medical costs overall will go down.

Anyway, need to log off soon, but thank you for a very pleasant conversation.

 

[westwall]

I am fully in favor of wellness programs.

Maybe I should have used the term "wellness programs," but then the thinskins would be screaming about "PC."

I am also in favor of significant medical insurance reform. Sadly Obamacare ain't it.

I agree. The answer is single-payer, but then people start screaming "socialism!!!!11!"

And the PPACA as passed was not the PPACA as proposed. The Republicans in Congress chipped away at it for years (despite its similarities to Romneycare), then tried 50+ to kill it anyway.

However, it is a step toward single-payer, and single-payer will be a reality eventually.

Obamacare is slowly going to put my local pharmacy out of business, as it will drive all other small mom and pop businesses out of business.

Two things: One, I'm not sure how the PPACA is implicated in that and two, I'm surprised they've been able to survive this long into the Age of Wallyworld.

Type II diabetes is a lifestyle disease.

Not exclusively. There is a familial component. True, most type 2s are overweight, but not all.

Some forms of lung cancer are lifestyle diseases. Most forms of COPD are lifestyle diseases.

True and true.

However, your belief that through a government controlled medical system coupled with governmental tyrannical control of people, to somehow control those diseases, is simply ludicrous.

(A) The PPACA is none of those things and (B) my point was that many people with symptoms previously avoided doctors because they knew they could not afford extensive medical tests or feared they'd be turned away for preexisting conditions.

Now that the insurers don't have the luxury of dismissing patients for preexisting conditions, more people will get screenings, more lives will be saved, and medical costs overall will go down.

Anyway, need to log off soon, but thank you for a very pleasant conversation.

Single payer will be an even bigger disaster than Obama care. Here's the deal mr. socialist. If a doctor can't make a good living being a doctor he or she won't bother. I have lived in countries with single payer systems and they suck. They truly do.

Socialized medicine DOESN'T work. Obamacare has imposed so much more paperwork, most of it useless, that small pharmacies can't afford to do it. Further the Big Pharma companies are now starting to shake out to where one company does this drug, this company does that drug, so there is no longer competition thus driving the price up on all drugs. They have been forced to do this because of all the new paperwork imposed on them.

Obamacare will fail because government is too involved in it. The same is even more true of single payer. Government is incompetent. The goal is for the people to have as little contact with government as possible.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

 

[emilynghiem]

My family all has CAD. I almost died from it. I have never smoked or been obese. In fact I was a competitive fencer for several decades. Cholesterol makes no difference to my family. The fact that I was as athletic as I was is what saved my life. MOST people can't do what I did.

Then you are the exception, and I'm sorry for your misfortune. But someday medical science will have the ability not only to screen for the genetic markers, but to alter the genes that cause familial CAD, in which case future generations will be spared similar misfortune.

However, the majority of CAD cases are not only familial, but based on any or all of the factors I mentioned. An obese smoker might change his lifestyle if he was aware of the risk factors and able to improve his quality of life.

I'm sorry that won't help you but, bottom line, prevention - when possible - is preferable to cure.

Dear Arianrhod
You sound like you have the commitment and capacity to contribute a lot
to solving the issues of health care, and how to make it the most cost-effective.

I don't mean to discourage you at all, but hope you would look into serious research
of spiritual healing and diagnosing generational ills and their causes.

To add to what you post above, I'd suggest one level deeper: not just looking for genetic markers
but what is causing these patterns to repeat. With spiritual healing, just because someone inherits
some alcoholic tendency, or some schizophrenic conditions, doesn't mean they can't be healed NATURALLY
instead of ALTERING the genes unnaturally. Does this make sense, there is a step even BEFORE the genes
manifest that can be addressed, or steps AFTER they manifest that can still allow correction and cure.

I would compare the method of just focusing on genetic markers
as scientists only screening for when radioactive exposure shows in people.
What about what CAUSED the radiation to begin with? Why not look at the source
instead of waiting until the signs show up in the genes, and using science to pinpoint and alter things there.

Spiritual Healing addresses what Causes the patterns to recur in the first place,
and if they are healed, they don't need to pass forward at all.

Since this process is natural, why not perfect it to cure the causes of as many conditions as possible,
and then only use the genetic and other procedures as needed, which would be kept to a minimum.

 

[emilynghiem]

I am fully in favor of wellness programs.

Maybe I should have used the term "wellness programs," but then the thinskins would be screaming about "PC."

I am also in favor of significant medical insurance reform. Sadly Obamacare ain't it.

I agree. The answer is single-payer, but then people start screaming "socialism!!!!11!"

And the PPACA as passed was not the PPACA as proposed. The Republicans in Congress chipped away at it for years (despite its similarities to Romneycare), then tried 50+ to kill it anyway.

However, it is a step toward single-payer, and single-payer will be a reality eventually.

Obamacare is slowly going to put my local pharmacy out of business, as it will drive all other small mom and pop businesses out of business.

Two things: One, I'm not sure how the PPACA is implicated in that and two, I'm surprised they've been able to survive this long into the Age of Wallyworld.

Type II diabetes is a lifestyle disease.

Not exclusively. There is a familial component. True, most type 2s are overweight, but not all.

Some forms of lung cancer are lifestyle diseases. Most forms of COPD are lifestyle diseases.

True and true.

However, your belief that through a government controlled medical system coupled with governmental tyrannical control of people, to somehow control those diseases, is simply ludicrous.

(A) The PPACA is none of those things and (B) my point was that many people with symptoms previously avoided doctors because they knew they could not afford extensive medical tests or feared they'd be turned away for preexisting conditions.

Now that the insurers don't have the luxury of dismissing patients for preexisting conditions, more people will get screenings, more lives will be saved, and medical costs overall will go down.

Anyway, need to log off soon, but thank you for a very pleasant conversation.

Single payer will be an even bigger disaster than Obama care. Here's the deal mr. socialist. If a doctor can't make a good living being a doctor he or she won't bother. I have lived in countries with single payer systems and they suck. They truly do.

Socialized medicine DOESN'T work. Obamacare has imposed so much more paperwork, most of it useless, that small pharmacies can't afford to do it. Further the Big Pharma companies are now starting to shake out to where one company does this drug, this company does that drug, so there is no longer competition thus driving the price up on all drugs. They have been forced to do this because of all the new paperwork imposed on them.

Obamacare will fail because government is too involved in it. The same is even more true of single payer. Government is incompetent. The goal is for the people to have as little contact with government as possible.

Dear westwall it will work in closed groups where people choose freely to contribute to the whole.
If Vets for example, ran their own VA systems and reforms, they would have a vested interest
in making sure it worked for their own members, and there was no waste, abuse or BS going on.

USAA which is a military based insurance and financial company has that kind of service ethics.
And it shows in their performance record.

If people CHOOSE to manage their own health care through their own co-ops, there is nothing
wrong with setting it up to be socialistic if all the members agree to contribute to a central umbrella network.

I would just be careful how it is structured, and checked against abuses, where the
constituents are represented, or else you can end up with a similar dynamic as unions getting out of hand and putting their own interests before the needs and will of the working members. Any large group with more power over resources concentrated at the top is prone to oppressing the more numerous membership at the lower and bottom levels. Socialism is no different, and would be prone to the same corruption we see in govt, corporations and any other collective entity.

If it is set up right, similar to how the federal govt was set up with checks and balances
and the Bill of Rights to defend the rights of individuals from any collective abuse of power,
the health care networks CAN operate democratically, while requiring members pay into
them under certain agreed terms. I think this would be a good exercise for the Greens and
Democrats to take on, and would fulfill the campaign promises owed to constituent voters.
Otherwise, it's not fair to keep collecting contribution and votes, while never delivering.

 

[westwall]

I am fully in favor of wellness programs.

Maybe I should have used the term "wellness programs," but then the thinskins would be screaming about "PC."

I am also in favor of significant medical insurance reform. Sadly Obamacare ain't it.

I agree. The answer is single-payer, but then people start screaming "socialism!!!!11!"

And the PPACA as passed was not the PPACA as proposed. The Republicans in Congress chipped away at it for years (despite its similarities to Romneycare), then tried 50+ to kill it anyway.

However, it is a step toward single-payer, and single-payer will be a reality eventually.

Obamacare is slowly going to put my local pharmacy out of business, as it will drive all other small mom and pop businesses out of business.

Two things: One, I'm not sure how the PPACA is implicated in that and two, I'm surprised they've been able to survive this long into the Age of Wallyworld.

Type II diabetes is a lifestyle disease.

Not exclusively. There is a familial component. True, most type 2s are overweight, but not all.

Some forms of lung cancer are lifestyle diseases. Most forms of COPD are lifestyle diseases.

True and true.

However, your belief that through a government controlled medical system coupled with governmental tyrannical control of people, to somehow control those diseases, is simply ludicrous.

(A) The PPACA is none of those things and (B) my point was that many people with symptoms previously avoided doctors because they knew they could not afford extensive medical tests or feared they'd be turned away for preexisting conditions.

Now that the insurers don't have the luxury of dismissing patients for preexisting conditions, more people will get screenings, more lives will be saved, and medical costs overall will go down.

Anyway, need to log off soon, but thank you for a very pleasant conversation.

Single payer will be an even bigger disaster than Obama care. Here's the deal mr. socialist. If a doctor can't make a good living being a doctor he or she won't bother. I have lived in countries with single payer systems and they suck. They truly do.

Socialized medicine DOESN'T work. Obamacare has imposed so much more paperwork, most of it useless, that small pharmacies can't afford to do it. Further the Big Pharma companies are now starting to shake out to where one company does this drug, this company does that drug, so there is no longer competition thus driving the price up on all drugs. They have been forced to do this because of all the new paperwork imposed on them.

Obamacare will fail because government is too involved in it. The same is even more true of single payer. Government is incompetent. The goal is for the people to have as little contact with government as possible.

Dear westwall it will work in closed groups where people choose freely to contribute to the whole.
If Vets for example, ran their own VA systems and reforms, they would have a vested interest
in making sure it worked for their own members, and there was no waste, abuse or BS going on.

USAA which is a military based insurance and financial company has that kind of service ethics.
And it shows in their performance record.

If people CHOOSE to manage their own health care through their own co-ops, there is nothing
wrong with setting it up to be socialistic if all the members agree to contribute to a central umbrella network.

I would just be careful how it is structured, and checked against abuses, where the
constituents are represented, or else you can end up with a similar dynamic as unions getting out of hand and putting their own interests before the needs and will of the working members. Any large group with more power over resources concentrated at the top is prone to oppressing the more numerous membership at the lower and bottom levels. Socialism is no different, and would be prone to the same corruption we see in govt, corporations and any other collective entity.

If it is set up right, similar to how the federal govt was set up with checks and balances
and the Bill of Rights to defend the rights of individuals from any collective abuse of power,
the health care networks CAN operate democratically, while requiring members pay into
them under certain agreed terms. I think this would be a good exercise for the Greens and
Democrats to take on, and would fulfill the campaign promises owed to constituent voters.
Otherwise, it's not fair to keep collecting contribution and votes, while never delivering.

I agree with pretty much everything you say here.

 

[Arianrhod]

Dear westwall it will work in closed groups where people choose freely to contribute to the whole.
If Vets for example, ran their own VA systems and reforms, they would have a vested interest
in making sure it worked for their own members, and there was no waste, abuse or BS going on.

USAA which is a military based insurance and financial company has that kind of service ethics.
And it shows in their performance record.

If people CHOOSE to manage their own health care through their own co-ops, there is nothing
wrong with setting it up to be socialistic if all the members agree to contribute to a central umbrella network.

Which is how it was when the "Blues" (Blue Cross/Blue Shield) were introduced after World War I as nonprofits. But introduce a profit motive and stockholders, and the goal becomes not tending to the needs of paying customers, but just making money.

BTW, westwall, here's some information you probably know already, but maybe there's something here you can use:

Coronary artery disease - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Coronary artery disease Risk factors - Mayo Clinic

Heart Disease: Assessing Your Risk Based on Family History | Medcan Clinic Toronto

The Mayo Clinic's data on who develops CAD and why is, I think, pertinent to our conversation.

I was unable to find any exact info to support your [doctor's?] claim that the majority of CAD cases are familial, without any of the other factors mentioned on the Mayo Clinic page. If you can supply those figures, I'd be interested.

Again, thanks!

 

[westwall]

Dear westwall it will work in closed groups where people choose freely to contribute to the whole.
If Vets for example, ran their own VA systems and reforms, they would have a vested interest
in making sure it worked for their own members, and there was no waste, abuse or BS going on.

USAA which is a military based insurance and financial company has that kind of service ethics.
And it shows in their performance record.

If people CHOOSE to manage their own health care through their own co-ops, there is nothing
wrong with setting it up to be socialistic if all the members agree to contribute to a central umbrella network.

Which is how it was when the "Blues" (Blue Cross/Blue Shield) were introduced after World War I as nonprofits. But introduce a profit motive and stockholders, and the goal becomes not tending to the needs of paying customers, but just making money.

BTW, westwall, here's some information you probably know already, but maybe there's something here you can use:

Coronary artery disease - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Coronary artery disease Risk factors - Mayo Clinic

Heart Disease: Assessing Your Risk Based on Family History | Medcan Clinic Toronto

The Mayo Clinic's data on who develops CAD and why is, I think, pertinent to our conversation.

I was unable to find any exact info to support your [doctor's?] claim that the majority of CAD cases are familial, without any of the other factors mentioned on the Mayo Clinic page. If you can supply those figures, I'd be interested.

Again, thanks!

We've gone way beyond any of that. But thanks for the kind thought! My surgeon was Mayo Clinic for 25 years.

 

[strollingbones]

i love how west has determined that diabetes 2 is a lifestyle choice.....let me think.....grandmother had it...mother had it....one uncle that i know of has it....i have it.....my grandmother and mother were never overweight....both were basically eating veggies and very little meat....my uncle is not overweight but i do not know about his diet...now i admit to being a foodie .....but the best thing i have heard about diabetes 2 is...

genetics loads the gun and lifestyle pulls the trigger.....

you do know that there are skinny athletic people with diabetes....


but you just continue to make your judgements on others and their medical conditions...while lamenting that yours is all genetics

 

[strollingbones]

westwall you really are a judge fucking mental fuck.....

 

[westwall]

i love how west has determined that diabetes 2 is a lifestyle choice.....let me think.....grandmother had it...mother had it....one uncle that i know of has it....i have it.....my grandmother and mother were never overweight....both were basically eating veggies and very little meat....my uncle is not overweight but i do not know about his diet...now i admit to being a foodie .....but the best thing i have heard about diabetes 2 is...

genetics loads the gun and lifestyle pulls the trigger.....

you do know that there are skinny athletic people with diabetes....


but you just continue to make your judgements on others and their medical conditions...while lamenting that yours is all genetics

strollingbones ,

Most cases of Type II are lifestyle related, but not all. I made a mistake in not stating that in my post. Please note i did in all the other cases. But yes, there are some people who develop Type II through no fault of their own. Genetics is ALWAYS a huge determiner in a persons health. ALWAYS. I know people who have smoked their whole lives and you would never know it. They suffer no effect from smoking at all. Others can smoke for just a couple of years and they develop COPD.

So, please forgive my error, I was posting quickly and simply didn't review my post.

 

[strollingbones]

no biggie...i am more than willing to admit my was being a foodie....and the bladder cancer is from being a smoker but one can never assume....you are right i know a man who lost his wife to lung cancer she never smoked a day in her life....sometimes its just the finger of fate that gets you ....and remember diabetics are an angry little group.....and you wanna see a pissed diabetic ...the skinny one who are all athletic.....talk about pissed...

it is hard any time you are battling poor genetics...and you will find when most d2's talk about a cure...we are wishing for the 1's....cure the 1's

 

[westwall]

no biggie...i am more than willing to admit my was being a foodie....and the bladder cancer is from being a smoker but one can never assume....you are right i know a man who lost his wife to lung cancer she never smoked a day in her life....sometimes its just the finger of fate that gets you ....and remember diabetics are an angry little group.....and you wanna see a pissed diabetic ...the skinny one who are all athletic.....talk about pissed...

it is hard any time you are battling poor genetics...and you will find when most d2's talk about a cure...we are wishing for the 1's....cure the 1's

One of our friends is named Sage Donnelly. She was born with Type I and has a host of other ailments. That hasn't stopped her in the least. She is a competitive kayaker and is tearing it up!

I personally think that when they figure out a cure for Type I, they will have the cure for Type II as well and i hope that that day comes very soon. Most of my friends are old. Guess who suffers from diabetes the most!


"Both 2015 Junior heats were among the closest in ICF history with one exception: 15-year-old Sage Donnelly (USA) who put up a score that is likely to rival the Senior Women’s level by throwing large blunts, back stabs and more. This is Donnelly’s first ICF World Championships (she was 13 at the last Worlds and not even eligible for the junior ranks), and she scored more than twice as many points as the runner up in the qualifying heat. Behind Donnelly, Darby McAdams (USA) led a close pack of junior women that includes two paddlers from the UK, two Australians, two Germans, two Spaniards and one Canadian. The top 10 go to the Semi-Finals. Unlike OC-1, the retention of these smaller, lighter and faster kayaks was high. There were very few immediate flushes and lots of big moves."

Garberator Hosts the World: Highlights from Day Two of the 2015 Freestyle Championships | Canoe & Kayak Magazine

 

[Arianrhod]

i love how west has determined that diabetes 2 is a lifestyle choice.....let me think.....grandmother had it...mother had it....one uncle that i know of has it....i have it.....my grandmother and mother were never overweight....both were basically eating veggies and very little meat....my uncle is not overweight but i do not know about his diet...now i admit to being a foodie .....but the best thing i have heard about diabetes 2 is...

genetics loads the gun and lifestyle pulls the trigger.....

you do know that there are skinny athletic people with diabetes....


but you just continue to make your judgements on others and their medical conditions...while lamenting that yours is all genetics

strollingbones ,

Most cases of Type II are lifestyle related, but not all. I made a mistake in not stating that in my post. Please note i did in all the other cases. But yes, there are some people who develop Type II through no fault of their own. Genetics is ALWAYS a huge determiner in a persons health. ALWAYS. I know people who have smoked their whole lives and you would never know it. They suffer no effect from smoking at all. Others can smoke for just a couple of years and they develop COPD.

So, please forgive my error, I was posting quickly and simply didn't review my post.

And this is why, again, we come back to the premise in the OP: If you have a family history of any chronic disease, the earlier you are screened for it, the better.

 

[strollingbones]

ahh type 2's hate nutritional advice ....i go to a lot of seminars on it....and we are not the most co operative people.....they will find a cure for 2's...it will be gut bacteria.....the 1's are harder much much harder...and they struggle so hard with so many aliments....2's know diabetes best friend is cancer....1's just get hit with crazy shit...and they are kids...try telling kids to eat right...

 

[strollingbones]

i love how west has determined that diabetes 2 is a lifestyle choice.....let me think.....grandmother had it...mother had it....one uncle that i know of has it....i have it.....my grandmother and mother were never overweight....both were basically eating veggies and very little meat....my uncle is not overweight but i do not know about his diet...now i admit to being a foodie .....but the best thing i have heard about diabetes 2 is...

genetics loads the gun and lifestyle pulls the trigger.....

you do know that there are skinny athletic people with diabetes....


but you just continue to make your judgements on others and their medical conditions...while lamenting that yours is all genetics

strollingbones ,

Most cases of Type II are lifestyle related, but not all. I made a mistake in not stating that in my post. Please note i did in all the other cases. But yes, there are some people who develop Type II through no fault of their own. Genetics is ALWAYS a huge determiner in a persons health. ALWAYS. I know people who have smoked their whole lives and you would never know it. They suffer no effect from smoking at all. Others can smoke for just a couple of years and they develop COPD.

So, please forgive my error, I was posting quickly and simply didn't review my post.

And this is why, again, we come back to the premise in the OP: If you have a family history of any chronic disease, the earlier you are screened for it, the better.

when i think back on all the times a medical professional should have caught my diabetes i am shocked.....i went and got a kit...tested then googled and then went to the doctor.....my feet were the symptom i could no longer ignore...

you are so right proper screening is a great thing.....

and we tend to ignore stuff....plus testing is rather expensive....i think that puts a lot of people off.....shouldnt preventive measures be cheap if not free?

 

[strollingbones]

i went thru several thousands of dollars to find out i had cancer....lol hell i should have just saved my mone

 

[Arianrhod]

i love how west has determined that diabetes 2 is a lifestyle choice.....let me think.....grandmother had it...mother had it....one uncle that i know of has it....i have it.....my grandmother and mother were never overweight....both were basically eating veggies and very little meat....my uncle is not overweight but i do not know about his diet...now i admit to being a foodie .....but the best thing i have heard about diabetes 2 is...

genetics loads the gun and lifestyle pulls the trigger.....

you do know that there are skinny athletic people with diabetes....


but you just continue to make your judgements on others and their medical conditions...while lamenting that yours is all genetics

strollingbones ,

Most cases of Type II are lifestyle related, but not all. I made a mistake in not stating that in my post. Please note i did in all the other cases. But yes, there are some people who develop Type II through no fault of their own. Genetics is ALWAYS a huge determiner in a persons health. ALWAYS. I know people who have smoked their whole lives and you would never know it. They suffer no effect from smoking at all. Others can smoke for just a couple of years and they develop COPD.

So, please forgive my error, I was posting quickly and simply didn't review my post.

And this is why, again, we come back to the premise in the OP: If you have a family history of any chronic disease, the earlier you are screened for it, the better.

when i think back on all the times a medical professional should have caught my diabetes i am shocked.....i went and got a kit...tested then googled and then went to the doctor.....my feet were the symptom i could no longer ignore...

you are so right proper screening is a great thing.....

and we tend to ignore stuff....plus testing is rather expensive....i think that puts a lot of people off.....shouldnt preventive measures be cheap if not free?

To be honest, even before passage of the PPACA an A1c home test kit was not that expensive. You could buy one on eBay for under $40. But (A) you need to understand that the A1c is the measure of your blood glucose over the past three months, (B) you need to know what the results mean (between 4-6 is ideal, and the lower the better; over 6 and you need to see your doctor), and (C) if your A1c is over 6, then what?

Prior to the PPACA, you went to the doctor and he or she ran a whole bunch of other tests for which, if you had no insurance or a high deductible, you paid out of pocket. And once you were diagnosed with diabetes, then what?

Then, finger-sticks up to 4x a day, oral meds or, if they didn't work, insulin. If you had no insurance or a high deductible, you paid for all of this out of pocket, to the tune of several hundred dollars a month. Or, prior to the PPACA, you did without. And went into ketoacidosis or your kidneys failed or you went blind or you started losing toes, or any combination thereof.

What the "Put it on IGNORE!!!!!" crowd is denying, denying, denying, is that if you don't have insurance, you bail on those bills or you die. They'd prefer that anyone whose employer doesn't pay their health insurances costs just fuggin' dies, but we'll ignore them for now.

Bottom line: The sooner you're diagnosed, the sooner you can take action. Now, you're right, no one's going to teach some fat fuck that if he just loses 50-100 pounds he won't lose his feet or go blind ("Just gimme a pill, doc. I'll be fine"), but for the sane among us, diet and lifestyle (Get off the couch, you fat fuck, and go for a walk) are the second step after the diagnosis.

For many Americans, the first step was nearly impossible. And the costs were passed on to the "Put it on IGNORE!!!!!" crowd in their own rising medical costs, and they're still too dim to see it.

Their whole hue and cry is "OBAMA'S NOT THE BOSS OF ME!!!!!!!"

The PPACA is not going away, no matter how much they shriek.

 

[westwall]

ahh type 2's hate nutritional advice ....i go to a lot of seminars on it....and we are not the most co operative people.....they will find a cure for 2's...it will be gut bacteria.....the 1's are harder much much harder...and they struggle so hard with so many aliments....2's know diabetes best friend is cancer....1's just get hit with crazy shit...and they are kids...try telling kids to eat right...

It doesn't matter what you eat as a Type I for the most part. Your body simply turns everything into a lethal poison. It sucks. Type II's can control the condition with diet in many cases. However, as with all things, that is not always the case. I think the researchers will figure out the switch that turns the whole mess on in the first place.