Predictions

[westwall]

Changing the subject again, moron? As you usually do when you have no real response to the thorough debunking of some idiotic thing you just said. We were talking about your amazingly retarded claim that the scientific theory of anthropogenic global warming/climate change is "anti scientific thought" and "pseudo science on a grand scale" - which I debunked by pointing out that there is an easily verified worldwide scientific consensus supporting AGW. You can't dispute that so you're trying to pretend that the issue is whether citing the scientific consensus violates a rule of formal debate, which is an irrelevant non-issue to begin with. You just demonstrate the absurdity of your position when you try to pretend that the world scientific community is "anti-science" while apparently imagining that it is you poor, ignorant, deluded stooges for the fossil fuel industry who are really the ones doing the actual science (in your mother's basement, I guess) and proving it to the world by posting your 'scathing critiques' of the world's actual working climate scientists and their research, on random internet political forums rather than publishing your work in Nature or Science or the Journal of Applied Meteorology and Climatology or the Journal of Climate, to name a few out of the many in the climate science fields. LOLOLOLOL....your delusions just get funnier and funnier, walleyed.

And once again, you poor deluded fool, the 'scientific consensus' reflects the reality of the results of decades of concentrated research that has been done by tens of thousands of scientists from dozens of countries all around the world. The consensus is not in itself an argument that is used in scientifically demonstrating the validity of the conclusions of the climate scientists. That is done with the mountains of actual evidence in many areas of study. The consensus reflects the fact that scientific papers about the research done on the evidence overwhelmingly support AGW and no one has been able to find any natural mechanisms that could explain the evidence if you leave off CO2 forcing. As I pointed out above, the scientific consensus (on any topic), even when it reflects a much lower level of unanimity than is the case with AGW, is a useful tool in making public policy and is regarded as such by intelligent people generally including most world leaders in government and business.

As far as your delusions about climate models....

YouTube - This Year's Model


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Yeah? So? Until they deal with the temperature manipulation issues (remember NIWA in New Zealand? Your alarmists got caught falsifying the temp record there and got slammed for it) and the complete corruption of the peer review process in the field of climatology their opinions mean nothing to legitimate scientists. Five years from now you will see the complete collapse of this horse manure and I will be laughing at you.

They are allready on the way down, they are treading water as it is.

You are soooo delusional, walleyed. The only "issues" are phantom artifacts of the fossil fuel industry propaganda campaign and exist only in the heads of denier cult freaks like you. In the real world, there is no serious scientific challenge to AGW and all of the indicators (like rising temperatures, melting glaciers and icecaps, changing seasonal timing, etc. etc.) and other evidence (like paleoclimate data and studies) continue to point to abrupt global warming beyond the range of natural variability that is being induced by human carbon emissions and deforestation practices.

Five years from now, new world temperature records will have been set, climate pattern disruptions and wacky extreme weather events will have increased and the intelligent people of the world will be doing what they're doing even now and laughing at you anti-science, warmed-over 'flat-earthers' for your near-psychotic denial of reality.

Wrong again bozo. I never dis good scientists. I only dis scientists who fail to follow the scientific method.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.....very funny coming from someone like you, walleyedretard, who wouldn't know the 'scientific method' if it bit you.

Sure thing ol trolling blunder fraud. Keep on glad handing yourself. You should get an alumni meeting of the American Institute of Physics together, you would have yourself of course, konrad, ol fraud, a few other sock puppets that were around for one or two posts, Chris, and K2skier. You two or three real people could have a grand old party slapping each other on the back.

 

[whitehall]

What? Weather disasters likely to rise? What geological era are we talking about? The plate tektonics are the biggest natural disasters we are likely to encounter in the next millenium and the "experts" ain't got a clue about what to expect from volcanic eruptions or even spots in that big nuclear reactor in the sky. Bend over and kiss your asses good bye greeners, you are going to die some day like everyone else.

 

[RollingThunder]

Yeah? So? Until they deal with the temperature manipulation issues (remember NIWA in New Zealand? Your alarmists got caught falsifying the temp record there and got slammed for it) and the complete corruption of the peer review process in the field of climatology their opinions mean nothing to legitimate scientists. Five years from now you will see the complete collapse of this horse manure and I will be laughing at you.

They are allready on the way down, they are treading water as it is.

You are soooo delusional, walleyed. The only "issues" are phantom artifacts of the fossil fuel industry propaganda campaign and exist only in the heads of denier cult freaks like you. In the real world, there is no serious scientific challenge to AGW and all of the indicators (like rising temperatures, melting glaciers and icecaps, changing seasonal timing, etc. etc.) and other evidence (like paleoclimate data and studies) continue to point to abrupt global warming beyond the range of natural variability that is being induced by human carbon emissions and deforestation practices.

Five years from now, new world temperature records will have been set, climate pattern disruptions and wacky extreme weather events will have increased and the intelligent people of the world will be doing what they're doing even now and laughing at you anti-science, warmed-over 'flat-earthers' for your near-psychotic denial of reality.

Wrong again bozo. I never dis good scientists. I only dis scientists who fail to follow the scientific method.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.....very funny coming from someone like you, walleyedretard, who wouldn't know the 'scientific method' if it bit you.

Sure thing ol trolling blunder fraud. Keep on glad handing yourself. You should get an alumni meeting of the American Institute of Physics together, you would have yourself of course, konrad, ol fraud, a few other sock puppets that were around for one or two posts, Chris, and K2skier. You two or three real people could have a grand old party slapping each other on the back.

LOLOLOLOLOL....hilariously retarded, walleyed....are you really dissing the American Institute of Physics for some obscure reason???

The American Institute of Physics - As a "society of societies," AIP supports ten Member Societies and provides a spectrum of services and programs devoted to advancing the science and profession of physics. A pioneer in digital publishing, AIP is also one of the world's largest publishers of physics journals and produces the publications of more than 25 scientific and engineering societies through its New York-based publishing division.
...through the Institute, the [member] societies find a unified voice for influencing public policy and for advancing the public’s understanding of science.

Two of the main member societies are the:
American Geophysical Union
(From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
The American Geophysical Union (or AGU) is a nonprofit organization of geophysicists, consisting of over 50,000 members from over 135 countries. AGU's activities are focused on the organization and dissemination of scientific information in the interdisciplinary and international field of geophysics. The geophysical sciences involve four fundamental areas: atmospheric and ocean sciences; solid-Earth sciences; hydrologic sciences; and space sciences. The AGU was established in 1919 by the National Research Council and for more than 50 years operated as an unincorporated affiliate of the National Academy of Sciences. In 1972 AGU was incorporated in the District of Columbia and membership was opened to scientists and students worldwide. AGU is the publisher of several scientific periodicals, including the weekly Eos newspaper and eighteen peer-reviewed research journals, most notably the Journal of Geophysical Research and Geophysical Research Letters.

In December 2003, the AGU issued a position statement on climate change, and revised and reaffirmed the statement in 2007. The revised statement begins:
The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system--including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons--are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century.[1]


...and the American Physical Society
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The American Physical Society is the world's second largest organization of physicists, behind the Deutsche Physikalische Gesellschaft. The Society publishes more than a dozen scientific journals, including the world renowned Physical Review and Physical Review Letters, and organizes more than twenty science meetings each year. It is also a member society of the American Institute of Physics.[1] The American Physical Society was founded on May 20, 1899, when thirty-six physicists gathered at Columbia University for that purpose. They proclaimed the mission of the new Society to be "to advance and diffuse the knowledge of physics", and in one way or another the APS has been at that task ever since. In the early years, virtually the sole activity of the APS was to hold scientific meetings, initially four per year. In 1913, the APS took over the operation of the Physical Review, which had been founded in 1893 at Cornell University, and journal publication became its second major activity. The Physical Review was followed by Reviews of Modern Physics in 1929 and by Physical Review Letters in 1958. Over the years, Phys. Rev. has subdivided into five separate sections as the fields of physics proliferated and the number of submissions grew. In more recent years, the activities of the Society have broadened considerably. Stimulated by the increase in Federal funding in the period after the Second World War, and even more by the increased public involvement of scientists in the 1960s, the APS is active in public and governmental affairs, and in the international physics community. In addition, the Society conducts extensive programs in education, science outreach, and media relations. APS has 14 divisions and 11 topical groups covering all areas of physics research. There are 6 forums that reflect the interest of its 47,000 members in broader issues, and 9 sections organized by geographical region.

In 2007, APS adopted an official statement on global warming:[8]
Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.

The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.

Because the complexity of the climate makes accurate prediction difficult, the APS urges an enhanced effort to understand the effects of human activity on the Earth’s climate, and to provide the technological options for meeting the climate challenge in the near and longer terms. The APS also urges governments, universities, national laboratories and its membership to support policies and actions that will reduce the emission of greenhouse gases.

 

[Old Rocks]

No hope, ol' Walleyes already stated the the APS and AGU are boarding schools for the short bus. He also claims to be a member of the AGU and the Royal Society.

 

[hendrickL]

Still waiting for all the predictions to be real..

 

[RollingThunder]

Still waiting for all the predictions to be real..

Well then you can stop waiting 'cause the predictions came true and continue to do so. You're just too ignorant and brainwashed to know that fact.

 

[skookerasbil]

Still waiting for all the predictions to be real..

Well then you can stop waiting 'cause the predictions came true and continue to do so. You're just too ignorant and brainwashed to know that fact.

And guess what asshole. Even if they were ALL true...................


Nobody

fcukking

cares!!!!!

 

[RollingThunder]

Still waiting for all the predictions to be real..

Well then you can stop waiting 'cause the predictions came true and continue to do so. You're just too ignorant and brainwashed to know that fact.

And guess what asshole. Even if they were ALL true...................


Nobody

fcukking(sic)

cares!!!!!

That's true if by "nobody" you mean you ignorant, deluded, dimwitted denier cult dingbats. Of course the intelligent people of the world who understand what's happening do care quite a bit and are working hard to deal with this crisis.


BTW, I realize that you're severely retarded, kooker, but not even being able to spell "fucking" correctly is a bit much even for a retard. I mean, dude!, it's the most used word in your very limited vocabulary and you still screw it up....LOL.

 

[skookerasbil]

Well then you can stop waiting 'cause the predictions came true and continue to do so. You're just too ignorant and brainwashed to know that fact.

And guess what asshole. Even if they were ALL true...................


Nobody

fcukking(sic)

cares!!!!!

That's true if by "nobody" you mean you ignorant, deluded, dimwitted denier cult dingbats. Of course the intelligent people of the world who understand what's happening do care quite a bit and are working hard to deal with this crisis.


BTW, I realize that you're severely retarded, kooker, but not even being able to spell "fucking" correctly is a bit much even for a retard. I mean, dude!, it's the most used word in your very limited vocabulary and you still screw it up....LOL.

But the intelligent people of the world are losing.

Hmmmmmmmmmm!!!

Im very happy to be the "dimwitted denier" who's not losing.

But I am curious? For what purpose do the AGW high priests continually engage in this "debate". Really.........for what ends? Because Im not seeing dick??

Enlighten me s0n!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

April 11, 2011
Placing the Blame for Death of Cap-and-Trade

A controversial new report suggests scientists share some of the blame for Congress’ failure to enact cap-and-trade legislation in response to climate change.

Matthew Nisbet, a communications professor at American University, floats a series of provocative ideas in a new report on the downfall of cap-and-trade legislation.

He concludes that environmental groups were not, in fact, outgunned by the political muscle and pocketbooks of big corporations opposed to climate action. Nor were they thwarted by a mainstream media accused of confusing the public with “false balance” between respected scientists and denial outliers. And what about all those conservative politicians and pundits who polarized the issue? Nisbet suggests Al Gore owns some responsibility there, too.

He is downright methodical in questioning all of the most deeply held narratives for why an environmental movement that has matured in tactics and grown in size — and which was responsible for what he suggests may have been “the best-financed political cause in American history” — came up empty-handed on climate legislation, even with allies running the White House and both houses of Congress.
Placing the Blame for Death of Cap-and-Trade | Miller-McCune



not losing

 

[skookerasbil]

 

[daveman]

That's true if by "nobody" you mean you ignorant, deluded, dimwitted denier cult dingbats. Of course the intelligent people of the world who understand what's happening do care quite a bit and are working hard to deal with this crisis.

Ummm, you do realize that advocating world socialism isn't really a valid response to your global warmi...errr, climate change myth, right?

Crippling the economies of the Western world to give third-world nations the freedom to pollute at will may make some particularly stupid people feel good, but won't actually mitigate any environmental change.

 

[RollingThunder]

That's true if by "nobody" you mean you ignorant, deluded, dimwitted denier cult dingbats. Of course the intelligent people of the world who understand what's happening do care quite a bit and are working hard to deal with this crisis.

Ummm, you do realize that advocating world socialism isn't really a valid response to your global warmi...errr, climate change myth, right?

Crippling the economies of the Western world to give third-world nations the freedom to pollute at will may make some particularly stupid people feel good, but won't actually mitigate any environmental change.

What I do realize is that you are completely clueless about the situation and your head is filled with silly myths and nonsensical propaganda memes.

The reality is that the excess CO2 that mankind has added to the atmosphere is causing major problems associated with global warming and climate changes and the solutions primarily involve drastically reducing the amount of fossil carbon that we are pumping into the atmosphere every year. That's it. No nefarious secret agendas, no "world socialism" required, no "crippled economies" (as many studies have shown), but also no putting all the burden of reducing carbon emissions on the economies of developing third world countries when it is the first world countries that have created the problem and are still emitting the most CO2 per person. What is proposed is to use revenues from carbon taxes to help the developing countries to deploy renewable energy systems so their future emissions won't grow as their economies grow.

 

[daveman]

That's true if by "nobody" you mean you ignorant, deluded, dimwitted denier cult dingbats. Of course the intelligent people of the world who understand what's happening do care quite a bit and are working hard to deal with this crisis.

Ummm, you do realize that advocating world socialism isn't really a valid response to your global warmi...errr, climate change myth, right?

Crippling the economies of the Western world to give third-world nations the freedom to pollute at will may make some particularly stupid people feel good, but won't actually mitigate any environmental change.

What I do realize is that you are completely clueless about the situation and your head is filled with silly myths and nonsensical propaganda memes.

The reality is that the excess CO2 that mankind has added to the atmosphere is causing major problems associated with global warming and climate changes and the solutions primarily involve drastically reducing the amount of fossil carbon that we are pumping into the atmosphere every year. That's it. No nefarious secret agendas, no "world socialism" required, no "crippled economies" (as many studies have shown), but also no putting all the burden of reducing carbon emissions on the economies of developing third world countries when it is the first world countries that have created the problem and are still emitting the most CO2 per person. What is proposed is to use revenues from carbon taxes to help the developing countries to deploy renewable energy systems so their future emissions won't grow as their economies grow.

Moron. You say what I said isn't true, then repeat the exact same thing I said: You want to send Western money to third-world nations so they can pollute at will. Redistributing wealth on a planetary scale is world socialism.

 

[skookerasbil]

I refer all k00ks to post #89 on this thread and give me something!!! Please give me something assholes...........

You fcukking dummies think winning a debate about the data in 2011 is spiking the football for a cause. Awesome..........but the factual reality is that the public is now overwhelmingly yawning at "the data from real scientists". So much so in fact that they've fallen asleep.

Your shit has become...........................

NOTHING

MORE

THAN

A

HOBBY



iTS NOT 2007 ANYMORE s0ns!!!!

 

[RollingThunder]

Ummm, you do realize that advocating world socialism isn't really a valid response to your global warmi...errr, climate change myth, right?

Crippling the economies of the Western world to give third-world nations the freedom to pollute at will may make some particularly stupid people feel good, but won't actually mitigate any environmental change.

What I do realize is that you are completely clueless about the situation and your head is filled with silly myths and nonsensical propaganda memes.

The reality is that the excess CO2 that mankind has added to the atmosphere is causing major problems associated with global warming and climate changes and the solutions primarily involve drastically reducing the amount of fossil carbon that we are pumping into the atmosphere every year. That's it. No nefarious secret agendas, no "world socialism" required, no "crippled economies" (as many studies have shown), but also no putting all the burden of reducing carbon emissions on the economies of developing third world countries when it is the first world countries that have created the problem and are still emitting the most CO2 per person. What is proposed is to use revenues from carbon taxes to help the developing countries to deploy renewable energy systems so their future emissions won't grow as their economies grow.

You say what I said isn't true, then repeat the exact same thing I said: You want to send Western money to third-world nations so they can pollute at will. Redistributing wealth on a planetary scale is world socialism.

No, little cretin, that's not what I said but you're obviously too retarded to understand. The developed nations have created this climate change crisis but the consequences are going to (already are) hit the developing nations the hardest and cause the most disruption of economies and food supplies. The international proposals to deal with this involve helping the developing nations to build a renewable, non-polluting energy infrastructure so that they don't "pollute at will" and make the world situation even worse.

 

[skookerasbil]

What I do realize is that you are completely clueless about the situation and your head is filled with silly myths and nonsensical propaganda memes.

The reality is that the excess CO2 that mankind has added to the atmosphere is causing major problems associated with global warming and climate changes and the solutions primarily involve drastically reducing the amount of fossil carbon that we are pumping into the atmosphere every year. That's it. No nefarious secret agendas, no "world socialism" required, no "crippled economies" (as many studies have shown), but also no putting all the burden of reducing carbon emissions on the economies of developing third world countries when it is the first world countries that have created the problem and are still emitting the most CO2 per person. What is proposed is to use revenues from carbon taxes to help the developing countries to deploy renewable energy systems so their future emissions won't grow as their economies grow.

You say what I said isn't true, then repeat the exact same thing I said: You want to send Western money to third-world nations so they can pollute at will. Redistributing wealth on a planetary scale is world socialism.

No, little cretin, that's not what I said but you're obviously too retarded to understand. The developed nations have created this climate change crisis but the consequences are going to (already are) hit the developing nations the hardest and cause the most disruption of economies and food supplies. The international proposals to deal with this involve helping the developing nations to build a renewable, non-polluting energy infrastructure so that they don't "pollute at will" and make the world situation even worse.

Just want to point out to the curious who might be checking into this forum. What you have here is the rant of an anti-American, anti-capitalist radical fringe environmental k00k who read too many gay school textbooks growing up and bought the stuff hook, line and stinker. A PC Zombie.

2-6 million North Korean's are going to starve to death before the year is out and mental cases like this naive asshole have no clue as to why!!! Make no mistake......its has NOTHING to do with a "climate change crisis". Zero. And you can bet your ass he isnt doing shit personally to help. Write it down.

These idea's are the idea's of idealistic nutty asses who truly believe if you think it, it must happen. They are known as redistribution genius's!!! In theory, their shit is the shit. Doesnt apply in the real world however.

 

[westwall]

What I do realize is that you are completely clueless about the situation and your head is filled with silly myths and nonsensical propaganda memes.

The reality is that the excess CO2 that mankind has added to the atmosphere is causing major problems associated with global warming and climate changes and the solutions primarily involve drastically reducing the amount of fossil carbon that we are pumping into the atmosphere every year. That's it. No nefarious secret agendas, no "world socialism" required, no "crippled economies" (as many studies have shown), but also no putting all the burden of reducing carbon emissions on the economies of developing third world countries when it is the first world countries that have created the problem and are still emitting the most CO2 per person. What is proposed is to use revenues from carbon taxes to help the developing countries to deploy renewable energy systems so their future emissions won't grow as their economies grow.

You say what I said isn't true, then repeat the exact same thing I said: You want to send Western money to third-world nations so they can pollute at will. Redistributing wealth on a planetary scale is world socialism.

No, little cretin, that's not what I said but you're obviously too retarded to understand. The developed nations have created this climate change crisis but the consequences are going to (already are) hit the developing nations the hardest and cause the most disruption of economies and food supplies. The international proposals to deal with this involve helping the developing nations to build a renewable, non-polluting energy infrastructure so that they don't "pollute at will" and make the world situation even worse.

So says an idiot who can't do simple math or do basic research. Just go away you're an embarrassment.

 

[RollingThunder]

You say what I said isn't true, then repeat the exact same thing I said: You want to send Western money to third-world nations so they can pollute at will. Redistributing wealth on a planetary scale is world socialism.

No, little cretin, that's not what I said but you're obviously too retarded to understand. The developed nations have created this climate change crisis but the consequences are going to (already are) hit the developing nations the hardest and cause the most disruption of economies and food supplies. The international proposals to deal with this involve helping the developing nations to build a renewable, non-polluting energy infrastructure so that they don't "pollute at will" and make the world situation even worse.

So says an idiot who can't do simple math or do basic research. Just go away you're an embarrassment.

No, walleyedretard, you are the idiot who can't do simple math or basic research, as was just demonstrated over here where you got your ass handed to you on another thread. You embarrass yourself intellectually every time you post but you're too retarded to realize that fact. It's very sad.

 

[skookerasbil]

I refer all k00ks to post #89 on this thread and give me something!!! Please give me something assholes...........

You fcukking dummies think winning a debate about the data in 2011 is spiking the football for a cause. Awesome..........but the factual reality is that the public is now overwhelmingly yawning at "the data from real scientists". So much so in fact that they've fallen asleep.

Your shit has become...........................

NOTHING

MORE

THAN

A

HOBBY



iTS NOT 2007 ANYMORE s0ns!!!!

Still havent got dick from the k00ks!!! Show me da links s0ns!!!!!!!!!!