there4eyeM
unlicensed metaphysician
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As soon as we learn the true relationship in which we stand toward God (namely, God is our Father, and we are his children), then at once prayer becomes natural and instinctive on our part (Matt. 7:7–11). Many of the so-called difficulties about prayer arise from forgetting this relationship. Prayer is the act by which the will of the Father and the will of the child are brought into correspondence with each other. The object of prayer is not to change the will of God, but to secure for ourselves and for others blessings that God is already willing to grant, but that are made conditional on our asking for them. Blessings require some work or effort on our part before we can obtain them. Prayer is a form of work, and is an appointed means for obtaining the highest of all blessings. (Bible Dictionary - Prayer)
The more one understands God, the less one asks.
Again, God's answer to prayer:
1.YES
2.NO
3. WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT.
And if you think God has the greatest job in the universe, acquaint yourself with his children!
Sometimes my Dad would look at my brother and I, shake his poor head and say, "I should have raised collies"........
The more one understands God, the less one asks.
onecut, is your opinion of prayer due to personally unanswered prayer?
The more one understands God, the less one asks.
Do you have any stats on the frequency of unanswered prayer that you base your unflattering opinion of God on?
one thing I don't understand is why people think that living shouldn't include suffering. Hard times tend to teach valuable lessons....or at least the opportunity for valuable lessons.
An example that always comes to mind for me is when that guy shot up the Amish school in 2006, killing 5 students and the shooter. The Amish not only forgave the shooter, but opened up their hearts to the shooter's widow, knowing that she and her children were suffering too.
That taught me a big lesson in what love really means and even though I fall short of that level for much smaller reasons...I do try to be a better man because if those people's actions.
onecut, is your opinion of prayer due to personally unanswered prayer?
No. I am an atheist. I don't pray and am never disappointed. I just think it kind of amusing to watch the devout try to justify the lord's indifference.
Facts are facts and the lord is stingy indeed with answered prayers. You are far more likely to get hit by the lord's lightning than to receive a positive answer to your prayer.
onecut, is your opinion of prayer due to personally unanswered prayer?
No. I am an atheist. I don't pray and am never disappointed. I just think it kind of amusing to watch the devout try to justify the lord's indifference.
Facts are facts and the lord is stingy indeed with answered prayers. You are far more likely to get hit by the lord's lightning than to receive a positive answer to your prayer.
So you are trying to lecture people on something you have no experience with? And you think this is wise because...?
The Lord is hardly indifferent. He is very active in the world. He answers my prayers. Ive seen Him answer the prayers of others. His hand is actively working in the world around us.
You'd realize this if you actually had real experience.
one thing I don't understand is why people think that living shouldn't include suffering. Hard times tend to teach valuable lessons....or at least the opportunity for valuable lessons.
An example that always comes to mind for me is when that guy shot up the Amish school in 2006, killing 5 students and the shooter. The Amish not only forgave the shooter, but opened up their hearts to the shooter's widow, knowing that she and her children were suffering too.
That taught me a big lesson in what love really means and even though I fall short of that level for much smaller reasons...I do try to be a better man because if those people's actions.
Some people will do and believe anything to convince themselves they arent accountable to God. It's human nature. The natural man is an enemy to God and has been so since the fall of Adam and will be forever until he puts off the natural man and yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit."
But suffering isnt necessary bad. I used to lift weights regularly. I would get stronger because of the opposition from the weights. It hurt. You could say it was "suffering" but it was for my own good.
It's not suffering thats good or bad, it's what we become because of that suffering that is good or bad.