Judges Chapter 11- Did God Demand A Virgin Sacrifice?

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    If you are not familiar with the story, and honestly, I never heard it in 12 years of Catholic Education, here it is...

    SAB, Judges 11

    Long story short, Jephthah the Gileadite asks Yahweh for help with his battle with the Ammonites. To sweeten the pot, he vows to God that he will offer up as a burnt offering the first thing that he encounters when returning home. God must have been down with this, because the Ammonites are completely crushed.

    Well, surprise, the first thing that greets him at his door is his daughter. He lets her know that he has vowed to sacrifice here (seriously, was he expecting to meet a cow or a dog or something?) and he must keep his word. His daughter goes off to bewail the fact she will die a virgin.

    Now, here's the interesting point for all you believers out there. God did not do what he did in teh whole Isaac story and stop it at the last minute. He seems to passively allow this offer and passively allow the sacrifice. (A few apologists claim she lived as a virgin for the rest of her life, and that was her "sacrifice". Any reading of the bible would debunk that.) He could have told Jephthah no, or arranged for a dumb animal to greet him or just intervene..

    But he didn't.

    Thoughts?
     
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    It shows the folly of making a vow without thinking it through. Bit complicated concept for a person that thinks he understands everything and actually knows nothing.
     
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    Joe, I think you're a shithead. God didn't ask him to kill his daughter. God didn't reward him for killing his daughter.

    In fact, I'd say this reflects a lack of faith on Jephthah's part. The context shows that God was already going to give the victory to the Israelites, before Jephthah's promise. Yet, Jephthah still tried to buy God's blessing (which isn't for sale in the first place) by offering a member of his household as a sacrifice.

    God wasn't going to change his plans for Israel based on the idiocy of a bastard.
     
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    It's not a complicated things at all.

    Jephthah's daughter did not deserve to be butchered, dismembered and burned because her father made a rash and foolish vow that violated God's commandments.

    Any God who would make a demand that such an oath be fulfilled isn't worthy of anyone's worship.

    The problem with trying to reconcile a savage bronze age God with a modern people. You have to do some real mental gymnatistics, and of course, if you are too lazy to do that, just say the person who questions it "doesn't understand" when he opines that a god that demands the murder of children cannot be called "good" in any sense of the word.
     
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    But yet that God made that bastard Judge of all Israel, and later on, he would go on to slaughter 42,000 members of the tribe of Epharam (A tribe of Israel.)
     
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    God didn't appoint Jephthah as Israel's leader.
     
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    No, he just gave him victories... and enjoyed himself some barbeque virgin.

    The other white meat!
     
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    Catholic and education ?
    Military and intelligence ?
    murkin superiority ?
     
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    This is typical of many Christians. They always claim when there is something in the Bible that does not go along with their set ideology it was because of a wrong interpretation.
    And then when it is something that matches with their ideology 100% they claim there is only ONE interpretation of the Bible.
    The Bible is the greatest book on earth but it was written and inspired BY MEN.
    Always open to interpretation and the politics of the days when it was translated.
     
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    Ariux is right on the money. Jephthah offering a sacrifice goes back to his origins in Syria.
    God never asked for such an action. Nothing implies that God gave him spiritual knowledge or wisdom or that God condoned such sacrifices. What God did give Jephthah was a special measure of valor to defeat the Ammonites.
    For a list of offerings condoned by God, read Leviticus. Had you read that first, you would have had your answer.

    If you voted for Obama, does that mean you also approved of him having a list of people he wants to kill?
     
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