who would have thunk it five years ago...
soon i will be able to smoke a joint while sleeping with my new hubbie...
only in california!!
thanks arnold.
I believe Alaska has legal pot in small quantities
yes?
no?
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who would have thunk it five years ago...
soon i will be able to smoke a joint while sleeping with my new hubbie...
only in california!!
thanks arnold.
Legalizing pot is the best thing we could do economically and socially in the last 50 years.
Legalizing pot is the best thing we could do economically and socially in the last 50 years.
I must regrettably agree -- and add that anything Obama says is subject to being reversed or ignored. He talks a lot but his promises, whether clearly issued or implied, are not reliable.Obama is on record as saying he's for the states deciding. It'd be kinda hard for hit to send holder in after Prop 19 passes.
I seem to remember something about closing Gitmo, and ending the US presence in Iraq too... Politicians are weak and leaky vessels for placing much trust or hope in.
Oh cut the drama, the judge ruled that the law violated the federal constitution, so it was thrown out. Agree with him or not this is not new precedent.
Uh...put the bong away.John that is as bogus of an argument for legalization of drugs as saying radar detectors in cars promote driving safety. Both arguments have been used when everyone knows what's really behind such statements.Great, hope it passes! Anyone who supports State's rights or individual rights should support it, it would be a gigantic middle finger to the Feds!
What the hell are you talking about?
John that is as bogus of an argument for legalization of drugs as saying radar detectors in cars promote driving safety. Both arguments have been used when everyone knows what's really behind such statements.Great, hope it passes! Anyone who supports State's rights or individual rights should support it, it would be a gigantic middle finger to the Feds!
It's a narcotic and the Federal Government has the authority to control it. Booze isn't.John that is as bogus of an argument for legalization of drugs as saying radar detectors in cars promote driving safety. Both arguments have been used when everyone knows what's really behind such statements.Great, hope it passes! Anyone who supports State's rights or individual rights should support it, it would be a gigantic middle finger to the Feds!
What Federal authority do the Feds have in this matter per the Constitution? At least the alcohol prohibitions convinced America to pass the 18th because they felt like it was not Constitutional unless an Amendment was passed.
Catch what your saying......you are indirectly acknowledging that marijuana has inherent dangers, just not as dangerous as alcohol.
THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT I STATED. The difference between you and me is that I'm not willing to add on another problem to society for spite.
anything has inherent dangers if you overindulge.....and that problem to society you mention.....has been here quite awhile....and its not spite.....its called Hypocrisy....
Catch what your saying......you are indirectly acknowledging that marijuana has inherent dangers, just not as dangerous as alcohol.
THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT I STATED. The difference between you and me is that I'm not willing to add on another problem to society for spite.
anything has inherent dangers if you overindulge.....and that problem to society you mention.....has been here quite awhile....and its not spite.....its called Hypocrisy....
You clearly are not a stupid person so I'll attribute that defective argument to manifest ignorance. And I suggest that you make use of the following link to educate yourself on the topic of marijuana.Bottom line: alcohol is institutionalized in our society.....and as a society we ACCEPT the level of violence, accidents, deaths, individual/family disruption and decay and illness associated/attributed with alcohol.
I cannot see the rational in adding another level of institutionalized drugs into our society when we cannot handle the one we've got beyond a certain point.
Annual Causes of Death in the United States | Drug War Facts
Catch what your saying......you are indirectly acknowledging that marijuana has inherent dangers, just not as dangerous as alcohol.
THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT I STATED. The difference between you and me is that I'm not willing to add on another problem to society for spite.
anything has inherent dangers if you overindulge.....and that problem to society you mention.....has been here quite awhile....and its not spite.....its called Hypocrisy....
Yes, there is a hypocrisy in a crowd that institutionalizes one drug but demonizes another....problem is that alcohol has already run the gambit of prohibition...which led to the rise of organized crime. So now we've live with constant DWI accidents, booze fueled violence, booze caused deteriorating health, etc., etc.
For some bizarre reason, marijuana just doesn't muster the same organized crime fuel that alcohol did during the time of Prohibition.....I attribute it to the almost painful ease to which anyone can grow quality smokes and obtain the seeds to do so, as opposed to various and dubious quality of home made booze.
But make no mistake.... legalizing pot will introduce a whole new level of problems that comes with people "legally" getting stoned that parallels what we are now dealing with regarding alcohol. IMHO, it's just not worth it. Perhaps just a level decrimialization would be a good compromise?
Catch what your saying......you are indirectly acknowledging that marijuana has inherent dangers, just not as dangerous as alcohol.
THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT I STATED. The difference between you and me is that I'm not willing to add on another problem to society for spite.
anything has inherent dangers if you overindulge.....and that problem to society you mention.....has been here quite awhile....and its not spite.....its called Hypocrisy....
Yes, there is a hypocrisy in a crowd that institutionalizes one drug but demonizes another....problem is that alcohol has already run the gambit of prohibition...which led to the rise of organized crime. So now we've live with constant DWI accidents, booze fueled violence, booze caused deteriorating health, etc., etc.
For some bizarre reason, marijuana just doesn't muster the same organized crime fuel that alcohol did during the time of Prohibition
But make no mistake.... legalizing pot will introduce a whole new level of problems that comes with people "legally" getting stoned that parallels what we are now dealing with regarding alcohol.
Which would mean what?IMHO, it's just not worth it. Perhaps just a level decrimialization would be a good compromise?
anything has inherent dangers if you overindulge.....and that problem to society you mention.....has been here quite awhile....and its not spite.....its called Hypocrisy....
Yes, there is a hypocrisy in a crowd that institutionalizes one drug but demonizes another....problem is that alcohol has already run the gambit of prohibition...which led to the rise of organized crime. So now we've live with constant DWI accidents, booze fueled violence, booze caused deteriorating health, etc., etc.
For some bizarre reason, marijuana just doesn't muster the same organized crime fuel that alcohol did during the time of Prohibition.....I attribute it to the almost painful ease to which anyone can grow quality smokes and obtain the seeds to do so, as opposed to various and dubious quality of home made booze.
But make no mistake.... legalizing pot will introduce a whole new level of problems that comes with people "legally" getting stoned that parallels what we are now dealing with regarding alcohol. IMHO, it's just not worth it. Perhaps just a level decrimialization would be a good compromise?
As a pot smoker, and an "adult" (of sorts) I've been trying to slowly help get this point across.
I do not agree that the problems that WILL come with "legal" pot will parallel the current problems that we have (and have had) with alcohol all these decades. To be honest I do not think it will come even close. However, anyone pretending weed is harmless is talking out their ass, if not smoking their Mary Jane that way so in any case... moronic.
You nailed part of the problem man. The folks that think, "dude...tax and regulate dis dope" are the same kind of fools who think "tax and regulate" is the answer to everything on Earth. I've tried making my own beer, wine in a box and buying loose leaf tobacco for rolling my own cigarettes (I had the papers and rollers anyway ) and that stuff is a pain in the ass. I've grown my own cannabis and it's EASY.
You can't just slap a giant tax on whatever Camel brand cannabis rolls off the line once the stuff is legal. The thing about weed is... it grows like a friggin' weed. Of course decriminalization would help and obvioulsy some effective legal controls will have to come about to keep kids, drivers and airline pilots off the crap when needed. But it's not a giant tax machine and it will not solve... well anything at all except maybe keeping innocent non-violent all around OK folks from legal Hell and maybe jail.
End of rant... legal weed would cause some problems but likely fall pretty close to right in-between all the problems of alcohol and all of the "problems" of normal cigarette's.
Just my humble O
Yes, there is a hypocrisy in a crowd that institutionalizes one drug but demonizes another....problem is that alcohol has already run the gambit of prohibition...which led to the rise of organized crime. So now we've live with constant DWI accidents, booze fueled violence, booze caused deteriorating health, etc., etc.
For some bizarre reason, marijuana just doesn't muster the same organized crime fuel that alcohol did during the time of Prohibition.....I attribute it to the almost painful ease to which anyone can grow quality smokes and obtain the seeds to do so, as opposed to various and dubious quality of home made booze.
But make no mistake.... legalizing pot will introduce a whole new level of problems that comes with people "legally" getting stoned that parallels what we are now dealing with regarding alcohol. IMHO, it's just not worth it. Perhaps just a level decrimialization would be a good compromise?
As a pot smoker, and an "adult" (of sorts) I've been trying to slowly help get this point across.
I do not agree that the problems that WILL come with "legal" pot will parallel the current problems that we have (and have had) with alcohol all these decades. To be honest I do not think it will come even close. However, anyone pretending weed is harmless is talking out their ass, if not smoking their Mary Jane that way so in any case... moronic.
You nailed part of the problem man. The folks that think, "dude...tax and regulate dis dope" are the same kind of fools who think "tax and regulate" is the answer to everything on Earth. I've tried making my own beer, wine in a box and buying loose leaf tobacco for rolling my own cigarettes (I had the papers and rollers anyway ) and that stuff is a pain in the ass. I've grown my own cannabis and it's EASY.
You can't just slap a giant tax on whatever Camel brand cannabis rolls off the line once the stuff is legal. The thing about weed is... it grows like a friggin' weed. Of course decriminalization would help and obvioulsy some effective legal controls will have to come about to keep kids, drivers and airline pilots off the crap when needed. But it's not a giant tax machine and it will not solve... well anything at all except maybe keeping innocent non-violent all around OK folks from legal Hell and maybe jail.
End of rant... legal weed would cause some problems but likely fall pretty close to right in-between all the problems of alcohol and all of the "problems" of normal cigarette's.
Just my humble O
All right let's say it doesn't generate much in tax revenue.
We still save a ton of money on the war on drugs, and we can stop crowding our prisons with non-violent offenders.
So we can still save a ton of money.
Besides smoking weed shouldn't be a crime.
It's a narcotic and the Federal Government has the authority to control it. Booze isn't.John that is as bogus of an argument for legalization of drugs as saying radar detectors in cars promote driving safety. Both arguments have been used when everyone knows what's really behind such statements.
What Federal authority do the Feds have in this matter per the Constitution? At least the alcohol prohibitions convinced America to pass the 18th because they felt like it was not Constitutional unless an Amendment was passed.
anything has inherent dangers if you overindulge.....and that problem to society you mention.....has been here quite awhile....and its not spite.....its called Hypocrisy....
Yes, there is a hypocrisy in a crowd that institutionalizes one drug but demonizes another....problem is that alcohol has already run the gambit of prohibition...which led to the rise of organized crime. So now we've live with constant DWI accidents, booze fueled violence, booze caused deteriorating health, etc., etc.
For some bizarre reason, marijuana just doesn't muster the same organized crime fuel that alcohol did during the time of Prohibition.....I attribute it to the almost painful ease to which anyone can grow quality smokes and obtain the seeds to do so, as opposed to various and dubious quality of home made booze.
But make no mistake.... legalizing pot will introduce a whole new level of problems that comes with people "legally" getting stoned that parallels what we are now dealing with regarding alcohol. IMHO, it's just not worth it. Perhaps just a level decrimialization would be a good compromise?
As a pot smoker, and an "adult" (of sorts) I've been trying to slowly help get this point across.
I do not agree that the problems that WILL come with "legal" pot will parallel the current problems that we have (and have had) with alcohol all these decades. To be honest I do not think it will come even close. However, anyone pretending weed is harmless is talking out their ass, if not smoking their Mary Jane that way so in any case... moronic.
You nailed part of the problem man. The folks that think, "dude...tax and regulate dis dope" are the same kind of fools who think "tax and regulate" is the answer to everything on Earth. I've tried making my own beer, wine in a box and buying loose leaf tobacco for rolling my own cigarettes (I had the papers and rollers anyway ) and that stuff is a pain in the ass. I've grown my own cannabis and it's EASY.
You can't just slap a giant tax on whatever Camel brand cannabis rolls off the line once the stuff is legal. The thing about weed is... it grows like a friggin' weed. Of course decriminalization would help and obvioulsy some effective legal controls will have to come about to keep kids, drivers and airline pilots off the crap when needed. But it's not a giant tax machine and it will not solve... well anything at all except maybe keeping innocent non-violent all around OK folks from legal Hell and maybe jail.
End of rant... legal weed would cause some problems but likely fall pretty close to right in-between all the problems of alcohol and all of the "problems" of normal cigarette's.
Just my humble O
It's a narcotic and the Federal Government has the authority to control it. Booze isn't.John that is as bogus of an argument for legalization of drugs as saying radar detectors in cars promote driving safety. Both arguments have been used when everyone knows what's really behind such statements.
What Federal authority do the Feds have in this matter per the Constitution? At least the alcohol prohibitions convinced America to pass the 18th because they felt like it was not Constitutional unless an Amendment was passed.