Pot legalization leads by 10 in CA

[Mad Scientist]

If you dopers think you're gonna' have a lot of fun smoking the legal weed you're wrong.

First off, it'll be more expensive because it's gonna' get taxed. Plus some do-gooder politician is gonna' attach all sorts of fees on it to fund anti-drug education programs in California and drive the cost up even more.

Then, the THC (the only reason you smoke it anyway) will be minimized in an effort to "keep you safe". It'll be found to be some sort of harmful substance, in some way, trust me.

So what you'll end up doing is going back to the illegal, homegrown, full THC weed in an effort to get away from state regulation and meddling.

Please.

There'll be room, for everyone!

It'll be no-different than alcohol; as-far-as regulations go. Those that want to run-down to the local-outlet, like any liquor-store (especially in large-cities), will have that option. Those that prefer to grow-their-own (like people making their own beer & wine; no sales), will have that option.

As-far-as any cultural tectonic-shift (after the initial-novelty of having Pot readily-available), some people will prefer Pot & some will prefer alcohol....dependent, of course, on whatever social-situation they're involved.....pretty-much the way things are, presently.

I remember, yeeeaaarrrs-ago, the amusement involved in getting people "high", for the first-time. The typical-response.(from new-inductees) was "This is IT?? I expected to see things!"

"conservatives" will be absolutely CRUSHED, when one-MORE of their Absolutes is vaporized!!!!!! ​

Sorry, I just can't believe you dopers are gonna' choose expensive gubamint "3.2 Dope" when you know there's some Thai Stick out there.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

As would be expected, our local-Fundamentalists (American-Taliban) are fighting the Inevitable.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpfOepGGYXY]YouTube - !!FIRST MARIJUANA COMMERCIAL AIRS ON TV!![/ame]​

 

[Father Time]

As would be expected, our local-Fundamentalists (American-Taliban) are fighting the Inevitable.

YouTube - !!FIRST MARIJUANA COMMERCIAL AIRS ON TV!!​

She's just using her religion to somehow justify something she all ready wants. Same as most fundies.

I don't even understand the argument.

'God created it therefore it needs to be strictly regulated?'

 

[johnrocks]

But make no mistake.... legalizing pot will introduce a whole new level of problems that comes with people "legally" getting stoned that parallels what we are now dealing with regarding alcohol. IMHO, it's just not worth it. Perhaps just a level decrimialization would be a good compromise?

If you should ever run-out of "conservative" talking-points (besides the standard-Myths), here's a new Top Eight!!

FYI: a true "conservative" talking point on this subject wouldn't include even the contemplation of decriminalization. Seems some people on this thread have a knee jerk reaction to ANY criticism regarding marijuana use and possible legalization.

I've been around too many people over the years from various states and countries who were avid users to just pretend that there wouldn't be any adverse consequences from legalizing marijuana. Like I said before, this society currently tolerates all the problems that come with institutionalized alcohol use, and we've still JUST got a handle on that!

What is a true "conservative" to you Looks to me like if anything would be or could be a "State's Right" issue, this could be it.

Prohibition made problems worse and the problem ;if it has gotten better; has not come about by government banning alcohol.

 

[geauxtohell]

Even if it doesn't pass this go around, it eventually will as more voters who have smoked pot and figured out it doesn't turn you into a schizophrenic madman.

I don't think it will be overturned either. The courts frown on states depriving rights or latitudes but not on granting them.

 

[geauxtohell]

If you dopers think you're gonna' have a lot of fun smoking the legal weed you're wrong.

First off, it'll be more expensive because it's gonna' get taxed. Plus some do-gooder politician is gonna' attach all sorts of fees on it to fund anti-drug education programs in California and drive the cost up even more.

Then, the THC (the only reason you smoke it anyway) will be minimized in an effort to "keep you safe". It'll be found to be some sort of harmful substance, in some way, trust me.

So what you'll end up doing is going back to the illegal, homegrown, full THC weed in an effort to get away from state regulation and meddling.

A legal product costs less on the blackmarket?

Yeah, that makes sense.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

As would be expected, our local-Fundamentalists (American-Taliban) are fighting the Inevitable.

YouTube - !!FIRST MARIJUANA COMMERCIAL AIRS ON TV!!​

She's just using her religion to somehow justify something she all ready wants. Same as most fundies.

I don't even understand the argument.

'God created it therefore it needs to be strictly regulated?'

No.....I was referring-to the whack-job who opposes her....that dude talkin' the Gateway-horseshit.​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Even if it doesn't pass this go around, it eventually will as more voters who have smoked pot and figured out it doesn't turn you into a schizophrenic madman.

Well....we (now) know that's happening.....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWZrE8akpg0&p=4F8964E0A0B46084&playnext=1&index=44]YouTube - Retirees demand marijuana[/ame]
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hQDNakG-h0&feature=related]YouTube - DADDIO speaks out for marijuana to Seniors[/ame]
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcMAX72exUk&feature=related]YouTube - Grandma Marijuana - Mae Nutt tells her Story of Compassion[/ame]

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.....but, I think it's just as critical to clue-people-into the whole political-trip (by any means, necessary); that Pot Prohibition had NOTHIN'-to-do with safety/health!​

"Family Guy celebrated 4/20 in style with an episode in which Brian gets arrested for marijuana, campaigns to legalize it and ultimately succumbs to dark forces that want to get "hemp illegalized again."

The "420" episode was timed for the Stoner National Holiday (it aired on Fox on 4/19). Not since The Simpsons' "Weekend at Burnsie's" episode in 2002 has an animated show swam so deeply in marijuana waters.

After Brian is caught with a quarter ounce "bag of weed" in Peter's car and is jailed and bailed out, he delivers the first of several stoner speeches: "Pot is illegal because William Randolph Hearst ran a smear campaign against marijuana in the 1930s to protect his interests in the timber industry, because hemp was poised to replace wood as an inexpensive raw material for the manufacture of paper."

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvUgJEhQ5cY]YouTube - Grass, A Marijuana History - Narrated by Woody Harrelson#Part1#[/ame]​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

And since your link DOES NOT address the issues of increased usage among the population, increased levels of people being stoned at their various jobs, or missing work or becoming incompetant, etc. Also, there's nothing in your link about the effects of long term use of marijuana.....you don't have to die in order to be adversely affected by a drug, you know.

Yes, decriminalization would put a serious crimp in profit for the criminal element, but it would NOT eliminate it.....as any pot grower would tell you, they don't need the gov't version of what they can personally do better. Inadvertently, you create a small criminal class that would still be prosecuted....

Next time, Mikey...just present your case and lay off the sarcasm and condescending attitude, because you'll look less foolish when someone takes the wind out of your sails, as I did here.

You not only are totally ignorant with regard to this topic you are arrogant in your ignorance. Because there is no chance that I can educate someone as self-assured as you obviously are the best I can do is refer you to a book called, Marihuana, The Forbidden Medicine, by Dr. Lester Grinspoon, MD, Ph.D., Professor of Psychiatric Medicine, Harvard Medical School.

Another excellent book on the subject is, The Emperor Wears No Clothes, by Jack Herer. Both are available from Amazon and I can assure you that if you take the time to read both you will be capable of discussing this topic intelligently rather than parroting and paraphrasing the Reefer Madness nonsense which you clearly have been indoctrinated with.

Mikey, you're boring me and obviously impressing yourself with the condescending attitude and dropping an Ivy league reference as if that's the be all, end all word from Mount on High.

Hint: It's not.

Yes, Mikey....marijuana does have theraputic value to some degree...and as with many herbal remedies, the long term effects of usage BEYOND medicinal will have adverse affects, as I pointed out.

Oh, you're talkin' about......​

...you don't have to die in order to be adversely affected by a drug, you know.​

What the Hell is that supposed to point-out???? ​

That is common knowledge learned by either the school of hard knocks or being around folk who are users to various degrees over the years.

You might-as-well reference D.A.R.E.-education, as well, and go for a trifecta of bullshit.

It always amazes me how you folks, who refer to common knowledge (a.k.a. what they say)....to substitute for your inexperience....in your efforts to educate others, actually believe yourselves!

What IS it, with you people? Is it the notoriety you crave (trying to sound like you know what you're talking-about, when....in all actuality....you don't know shit)???? ​

 

[taichiliberal]

You not only are totally ignorant with regard to this topic you are arrogant in your ignorance. Because there is no chance that I can educate someone as self-assured as you obviously are the best I can do is refer you to a book called, Marihuana, The Forbidden Medicine, by Dr. Lester Grinspoon, MD, Ph.D., Professor of Psychiatric Medicine, Harvard Medical School.

Another excellent book on the subject is, The Emperor Wears No Clothes, by Jack Herer. Both are available from Amazon and I can assure you that if you take the time to read both you will be capable of discussing this topic intelligently rather than parroting and paraphrasing the Reefer Madness nonsense which you clearly have been indoctrinated with.

Mikey, you're boring me and obviously impressing yourself with the condescending attitude and dropping an Ivy league reference as if that's the be all, end all word from Mount on High.

Hint: It's not.

Yes, Mikey....marijuana does have theraputic value to some degree...and as with many herbal remedies, the long term effects of usage BEYOND medicinal will have adverse affects, as I pointed out.

Oh, you're talkin' about......​

...you don't have to die in order to be adversely affected by a drug, you know.​

What the Hell is that supposed to point-out???? ​

That is common knowledge learned by either the school of hard knocks or being around folk who are users to various degrees over the years.

You might-as-well reference D.A.R.E.-education, as well, and go for a trifecta of bullshit.

It always amazes me how you folks, who refer to common knowledge (a.k.a. what they say)....to substitute for your inexperience....in your efforts to educate others, actually believe yourselves!

What IS it, with you people? Is it the notoriety you crave (trying to sound like you know what you're talking-about, when....in all actuality....you don't know shit)???? ​

And yet here's another example of smug supposition & conjecture coupled with a personal attack...all because I merely point out some detrimental effects of long term use of marijuana.

Look, I can quote dozens of studies from various reputable medical researchers, and you can do the same. But one thing you cannot deny is the following:

Anyone who has been around groups of tokers for several years will notice some memory lapse in some users, declining sharpness at work, lowering attention span.....similar to what happens to some who drink alcohol on a continuous basis. NOT EVERYONE will mess up (or become messed up), but there is a percentage that will. To deny this is just silly.

All I'm saying is that since we're already dealing with problems of institutionalized alcohol in society, we shouldn't add another similar situation with marijuana.

You may think it's a negligible problem....I don't.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Mikey, you're boring me and obviously impressing yourself with the condescending attitude and dropping an Ivy league reference as if that's the be all, end all word from Mount on High.

Hint: It's not.

Yes, Mikey....marijuana does have theraputic value to some degree...and as with many herbal remedies, the long term effects of usage BEYOND medicinal will have adverse affects, as I pointed out.

Oh, you're talkin' about......

What the Hell is that supposed to point-out???? ​

That is common knowledge learned by either the school of hard knocks or being around folk who are users to various degrees over the years.

You might-as-well reference D.A.R.E.-education, as well, and go for a trifecta of bullshit.

It always amazes me how you folks, who refer to common knowledge (a.k.a. what they say)....to substitute for your inexperience....in your efforts to educate others, actually believe yourselves!

What IS it, with you people? Is it the notoriety you crave (trying to sound like you know what you're talking-about, when....in all actuality....you don't know shit)???? ​

And yet here's another example of smug supposition & conjecture coupled with a personal attack...all because I merely point out some detrimental effects of long term use of marijuana.

Look, I can quote dozens of studies from various reputable medical researchers, and you can do the same. But one thing you cannot deny is the following:

Anyone who has been around groups of tokers for several years will notice some memory lapse in some users, declining sharpness at work, lowering attention span.....similar to what happens to some who drink alcohol on a continuous basis.

Fine.....let's see your various reputable medical researchers, making this case.​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

As usual......taichiliberal PUNKS-OUT!!!!



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Drug-Testing = Bullshit​

"Opponents of marijuana legalization complain that Proposition 19 could endanger workplace safety. Employers, such as Ed Rullman of the Best Western Hilltop Inn in his Aug. 15 Op-Ed, object that Proposition 19 has a clause protecting employees against discrimination for private, adult use of marijuana. However, this is qualified by an important provision protecting employers’ right “to address consumption that actually impairs job performance.”

Until recent years, it would have been laughable to suppose that American workers should be forced to submit urine samples to prove their job worthiness. The U.S. is alone among developed countries in regarding urine testing as a routine practice. In the Netherlands, where marijuana is legally available to all adults, drug testing is hardly used, yet workplace safety is substantially better than in the U.S."

 

[DiamondDave]

yawn... per usual... blog from a winger stoner source...

Are you fucking serious??

Leave it to Mr. ShitForBrains

 

[topspin]

it's going to pass big time, the racist and the moron rednecks will be pissed but they still have plenty to hate on.

 

[Mr Natural]

If this passes, I suspect that tourism to CA will boom.

 

[DiamondDave]

If this passes, I suspect that tourism to CA will boom.

Would be a great time for the mega quake when all the stoners are in a trance, holed up in their bong rooms

 

[Mr Natural]

If this passes, I suspect that tourism to CA will boom.

Would be a great time for the mega quake when all the stoners are in a trance, holed up in their bong rooms

That's nice . . .

 

[topspin]

it's usually GED types like dave that are anti pot. Buit they are pro cousin marrying.

 

[Mr Natural]

it's usually GED types like dave that are anti pot. Buit they are pro cousin marrying.

It's best they keep ignorance and stupidity in the family.

 

[johnrocks]

I support legalization but does this mean that the liberals who support it supports nullification since it will be clashing with Federal law?