Poll: Rate the Worst Scandal

[emptystep]

The my lai massacre or Abu Ghraib.

Wasn't Apocalypses Now or Jacob's Ladder out of that incident?

 

[emptystep]

You and Black Label should really have your psychiatrists get together. They might be able to collaborate on a more effective medication mix for you both.

And no, I'm not even going to dignify your horseshit rewrite of reality with a rebuttal. That might get you thinking you're a human being.

Whats the matter, can't handle the truth that your dream boy reagan created the taliban and made illegal arms deals with terrorists in iran?

Radical Islamists created the Taliban.

And what do you think Susan Rice did in Libya and is currently doing in Syria?

Arming rebels with weapons that eventually end up in terrorists hands.

I strongly suspect that this one of those 'if dems do it it bad, if repubs do it it OK' things. Isn't half the job of the Special Forces handing out weapons?

 

[Care4all]

Which of the following scandals involved the greatest Presidential culpability?

How far back we going? Grant had a big one. Then there was Teapot Dome, Watergate, Iran-contra. Funny how they were all Republican scandals. The best they could get on the Dems were Kennedy's and Clinton's extra-curricular activities. Hardly on a par with the way the Reps carried on!

All of the Democrap scandals get swept under the rug eventually.

Chappaquiddick
Whitewater Billing
Barney Franks' scandals
Sandy Berger's Docs in Socks
Weinergate
Eliot Spitzer
Jack Murtha and Abscam
Gary Studds molestation scandal
Marion Barry coke sting
Jerry Springer prostitution

Scandals just during the GW Bush rein, some were Democrats, most were Republicans.... The article is very very long.....Clinton had a real long list too! Obama has the smallest from recent years, BUT his term isn't over yet!!!

List of federal political scandals in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2001–2009 George W. Bush Administration

Executive Branch

• Timothy Goeglein Special Assistant to President Bush resigned when it was discovered that more than 20 of his columns had been plagiarized from an Indiana newspaper. (2008)[23]
• Lewis Libby Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney (R), 'Scooter' was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in the Plame Affair on March 6, 2007. He was sentenced to 30 months in prison and fined $250,000. The sentence was commuted by George W. Bush (R) on July 1, 2007. The felony remains on Libby's record though the jail time and fine were commuted.[24][25]
• Alphonso Jackson The Secretary of Housing and Urban Development resigned while under investigation by the FBI for revoking the contract of a vendor who told Jackson he did not like President George W. Bush (R) (2008)[26][27]
• Karl Rove Senior Adviser to President George W. Bush was investigated by the Office of Special Counsel for "improper political influence over government decision-making", as well as for his involvement in several other scandals such as Lawyergate, Bush White House e-mail controversy and Plame affair. He resigned in April 2007. (See Karl Rove in the George W. Bush administration)[28]
• "Lawyergate"[29] Or the Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy refers to President Bush firing, without explanation, eleven Republican federal prosecutors whom he himself had appointed. It is alleged they were fired for prosecuting Republicans and not prosecuting Democrats.[30][31] When Congressional hearings were called, a number of senior Justice Department officials cited executive privilege and refused to testify under oath and instead resigned, including:

1. Michael A. Battle Director of Executive Office of US Attorneys in the Justice Department.[32]
2. Bradley Schlozman Director of Executive Office of US Attorneys who replaced Battle[33]
3. Michael Elston Chief of Staff to Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty[34]
4. Paul McNulty Deputy Attorney General to William Mercer[35]
5. William W. Mercer (R) Associate Attorney General to Alberto Gonzales[36]
6. Kyle Sampson Chief of Staff to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales[32]
7. Alberto Gonzales (R) Attorney General of the United States[37]
8. Monica Goodling Liaison between President Bush and the Justice Department[38]
9. Joshua Bolten Deputy Chief of Staff to President Bush was found in Contempt of Congress[39]
10. Sara M. Taylor Aide to Presidential Advisor Karl Rove[40]
11. Karl Rove Advisor to President Bush[41]
12. Harriet Miers Legal Counsel to President Bush, was found in Contempt of Congress[39]

• Bush White House e-mail controversy – During the Lawyergate investigation it was discovered that the Bush administration used Republican National Committee (RNC) web servers for millions of emails which were then destroyed, lost or deleted in possible violation of the Presidential Records Act and the Hatch Act. George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Andrew Card, Sara Taylor and Scott Jennings all used RNC webservers for the majority of their emails. Of 88 officials, no emails at all were discovered for 51 of them.[42] As many as 5 million e-mails requested by Congressional investigators of other Bush administration scandals were therefore unavailable, lost, or deleted.[43]
• Lurita Alexis Doan Resigned as head of the General Services Administration. She was under scrutiny for conflict of interest and violations of the Hatch Act.[44] Among other things she asked GSA employees how they could "help Republican candidates".[45]
• John Korsmo chairman of the Federal Housing Finance Board pled guilty to lying to congress and sentenced to 18 months of unsupervised probation and fined $5,000. (2005)[46]
• Philip Cooney Bush appointee to chair the Council on Environmental Quality was accused of editing government climate reports to emphasize doubts about global warming.[47] Two days later, Cooney announced his resignation [48] and later conceded his role in altering reports. Stating, "My sole loyalty was to the President and advancing the policies of his administration," .[49][50]
• Jack Abramoff Scandal in which the prominent lobbyist with close ties to Republican administration officials and legislators offered bribes as part of his lobbying efforts. Abramoff was sentenced to 4 years in prison.[51][52] See Legislative scandals.

1. David Safavian GSA (General Services Administration) Chief of Staff,[53] found guilty of blocking justice and lying,[54] and sentenced to 18 months[55]
2. Roger Stillwell Staff in the Department of the Interior under President George W. Bush (R). Pleaded guilty and received two years suspended sentence. [14]
3. Susan B. Ralston Special Assistant to the President and Senior Advisor to Karl Rove, resigned October 6, 2006 after it became known that she accepted gifts and passed information to her former boss Jack Abramoff.[56]
4. J. Steven Griles former Deputy to the Secretary of the Interior pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and was sentenced to 10 months.[57]
5. Italia Federici staff to the Secretary of Interior, and President of the Council of Republicans for Environmental Advocacy, pled guilty to tax evasion and obstruction of justice. She was sentenced to four years probation.[58][59][60]
6. Jared Carpenter Vice-President of the Council of Republicans for Environmental Advocacy, was discovered during the Abramoff investigation and pled guilty to income tax evasion. He got 45 days, plus 4 years probation.[61]
7. Mark Zachares staff in the Department of Labor, bribed by Abramoff, guilty of conspiracy to defraud.[52]
8. Robert E. Coughlin Deputy Chief of Staff, Criminal Division of the Justice Department pleaded guilty to conflict of interest after accepting bribes from Jack Abramoff. (2008)[59]

• Kyle Foggo Executive director of the CIA was convicted of honest services fraud in the awarding of a government contract and sentenced to 37 months in federal prison at Pine Knot, Kentucky. On September 29, 2008, Foggo pleaded guilty to one count of the indictment, admitting that while he was the CIA executive director, he acted to steer a CIA contract to the firm of his lifelong friend, Brent R. Wilkes.[62]
• Julie MacDonald Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Department of the Interior, resigned May 1, 2007 after giving government documents to developers (2007)[63]
• Claude Allen Appointed as an advisor by President George W. Bush (R) on Domestic Policy, Allen was arrested for a series of felony thefts in retail stores. He was convicted on one count and resigned soon after.[64]
• Lester Crawford Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, resigned after 2 months. Pled guilty to conflict of interest and received 3 years suspended sentence and fined $90,000 (2006)[65]
• 2003 Invasion of Iraq depended on intelligence that Saddam Hussein was developing "weapons of mass destruction" (WMDs) meaning nuclear, chemical and/or biological weapons for offensive use. As revealed by The (British) Downing Street memo "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy" The press called this the 'smoking gun."(2005)[66]
• Yellowcake forgery: Just prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration presented evidence to the UN that Iraq was seeking material (yellowcake uranium) in Africa for making nuclear weapons. Though presented as true, it was later found to be not only dubious, but outright false.[67]
• Coalition Provisional Authority Cash Payment Scandal: On June 20, 2005, the staff of the Committee on Government Reform prepared a report for Congressman Henry Waxman.[68] It was revealed that $12 billion in cash had been delivered to Iraq by C-130 planes, on shrinkwrapped pallets of US $100 bills.[69] The United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, concluded that "Many of the funds appear to have been lost to corruption and waste.... Some of the funds could have enriched both criminals and insurgents...." Henry Waxman, commented, "Who in their right mind would send 363 tons of cash into a war zone?" A single flight to Iraq on December 12, 2003 which contained $1.5 billion in cash is said to be the largest single Federal Reserve payout in US history according to Henry Waxman.[70][71]
• Bush administration payment of columnists with federal funds to say nice things about Republican policies. Illegal payments were made to journalists Armstrong Williams, Maggie Gallagher and Michael McManus (2004–2005)[72]
• Bernard Kerik nomination in 2004 as Secretary of Homeland Security was derailed by past employment of an illegal alien as a nanny, and other improprieties. On Nov 4, 2009, he pled guilty to two counts of tax fraud and five counts of lying to the federal government and was sentenced to four years in prison.[73]
• Plame affair (2004), in which CIA agent Valerie Plame's name was supposedly leaked by Richard Armitage, Deputy Secretary of State, to the press in retaliation for her husband's criticism of the reports used by George W. Bush to legitimize the Iraq war.[74] Armitage admitted he was the leak[75] but no wrongdoing was found.
• Thomas A. Scully, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), withheld information from Congress about the projected cost of the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act, and allegedly threatened to fire Medicare's chief actuary, Richard Foster, if Foster provided the data to Congress. (2003)[76] Scully resigned on December 16, 2003.
• NSA warrantless surveillance – Shortly after the September 11 attacks in 2001, President George W. Bush (R) implemented a secret program by the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on domestic telephone calls by American citizens without warrants, thus by-passing the FISA court which must approve all such actions. (2002)[77] In 2010, Federal Judge Vaughn Walker ruled this practice to be illegal.[78]
• Kenneth Lay, a member of the Republican National Committee, financial donor and ally of President George W. Bush (R) and once considered a possible Secretary of the Treasury. Lay was found guilty of 10 counts of securities fraud concerning his company Enron, but died before sentencing.[79][80][81][82][83]
• Janet Rehnquist (daughter of former Chief Justice William Rehnquist) appointed Inspector General of the Department of Health and Human Services by George W. Bush. In 2002, Governor Jeb Bush's (R-FL) Chief of Staff Kathleen Shanahan asked Rehnquist to delay auditing a $571 million federal overpayment to the State of Florida. Rehnquist ordered her staff to delay the investigation for five months until after the Florida elections. When Congress began an investigation in to the matter, Rehnquist resigned in March 2003, saying she wanted to spend more time with her family.[84][85][86][86][87][88]
• John Yoo An attorney in the Office of Legal Counsel inside the Justice Department who, working closely with vice president Dick Cheney and The Bush Six,[89] wrote memos stating the right of the president to –

1. suspend sections of the ABM Treaty without informing Congress[90]
2. bypass the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act allowing warrentless wiretapping of US Citizens within the United States by the National Security Agency.[90]
3. state that the First Amendment and Fourth Amendments and the Takings Clause do not apply to the president in time of war as defined in the USA PATRIOT Act[90]
4. allow Enhanced Interrogation Techniques (torture) because provisions of the War Crimes Act, the Third Geneva Convention, and the Torture convention do not apply.[90]

Many of his memos have since been repudiated and reversed.[90][91] Later review by the Justice Department reported that Yoo and Jay Bybee used "poor judgement" in the memos, but no charges have yet been filed.[92]


Legislative Branch

• Ted Stevens Senator (R-AK) convicted on seven counts of bribery and tax evasion October 27, 2008 just prior to the election. He continued his run for re-election, but lost. Once the Republican was defeated in his re-election, new US Attorney General Eric Holder (D) dismissed the charges "in the interest of justice" stating that the Justice Department had illegally withheld evidence from defense counsel.[93]
• Charles Rangel (D-NY) failed to report $75,000 income from the rental of his villa in Punta Cana, Dominican Republic and was forced to pay $11,000 in back taxes.(September 2008)[94]
• Rick Renzi (R-AZ) Announced he would not seek another term. Seven months later, on February 22, 2008 he pleaded not guilty to 35 charges of fraud, conspiracy and money laundering.[95]
• Frank Ballance (D-NC) admitted to a federal charge of money laundering and mail fraud in October 2005 and sentenced to 4 years in prison.[96]
• Jack Abramoff Scandal, (R) lobbyist found guilty of conspiracy, tax evasion and corruption of public officials in three different courts in a wide ranging investigation. Currently serving 70 months and fined $24.7 million.[97] See Scandals, Executive Branch. The following were also implicated:

1. Tom DeLay (R-TX) The House Majority Leader was reprimanded twice by the House Ethics Committee and his aides indicted (2004–2005); eventually DeLay himself was investigated in October 2005 in connection with the Abramoff scandal, but not indicted. DeLay resigned from the House 9 June 2006.[98] Delay was found to have illegally channeled funds from Americans for a Republican Majority to Republican state legislator campaigns. He was convicted of two counts of money laundering and conspiracy in 2010.[99]
2. Michael Scanlon (R) former staff to Tom DeLay: working for Abramoff, pled guilty to bribery.[51][52]
3. Tony Rudy (R) former staff to Tom DeLay, pleaded guilty to conspiracy.[52]
4. James W. Ellis executive director of Tom DeLay's political action committee, Americans for a Republican Majority (ARMPAC), was indicted by Texas for money laundering.[100]
5. John Colyandro executive director of Tom DeLay's political action committee, Texans for a Republican Majority (TRMPAC), was indicted by Texas for money laundering[100]
6. Bob Ney (R-OH) pleaded guilty to conspiracy and making false statements as a result of his receiving trips from Abramoff in exchange for legislative favors. Ney received 30 months in prison.[52][101]
7. Neil Volz former staff to Robert Ney, pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy in 2006 charges stemming from his work for Bob Ney. In 2007 he was sentenced to two years probation, 100 hours community service, and a fine of $2,000.[102]
8. William Heaton, former chief of staff for Bob Ney (R), pleaded guilty to a federal conspiracy charge involving a golf trip to Scotland, expensive meals, and tickets to sporting events between 2002 and 2004 as payoffs for helping Abramoff's clients.[103]
9. John Albaugh , former chief of staff to Ernest Istook (R-OK), pled guilty to accepting bribes connected to the Federal Highway Bill. Istook was not charged. (2008)[104]
10. James Hirni, former staff to Tim Hutchinson (R-AR), was charged with wire fraud for giving a staffer for Don Young (R) of Alaska a bribe in exchange for amendments to the Federal Highway Bill. (2008)[105]
11. Kevin A. Ring (R) former staff to John Doolittle (R-CA) was convicted of five charges of corruption.[106][107]

• John Doolittle (R-CA) both he and his wife were under investigation (January 2008). Under this cloud, Doolittle decided not to run for re-election in November 2008. The Justice Department announced in June 2010 they had terminated the investigation and found no wrongdoing.[108]
• Randy Cunningham (R-CA) pleaded guilty on November 28, 2005 to charges of conspiracy to commit bribery, mail fraud, wire fraud and tax evasion in what came to be called the Cunningham scandal. Sentenced to over eight years.[109]
• Kyle Foggo Executive director of the CIA was convicted of honest services fraud in the awarding of a government contract and sentenced to 37 months in the federal prison at Pine Knot, Kentucky. On September 29, 2008, Foggo pleaded guilty to one count of the indictment, admitting that while CIA executive director he acted to steer a CIA contract to the firm of his lifelong friend, Brent R. Wilkes.[62]
• Tan Nguyen (R-CA) congressional candidate for the 47th District was convicted of voter intimidation. He lost the election and was sentenced to one year in prison and six months in a halfway house. (2006)[110]
• Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) struck a U.S. Capitol Police officer in the chest after he attempted to stop her from going around a security checkpoint. McKinney apologized on the floor of the House and no charges were filed (March 29, 2006)[111]
• William J. Jefferson (D-LA) in August 2005 the FBI seized $90,000 in cash from Jefferson's home freezer. He was re-elected anyway, but lost in 2008. Jefferson was convicted of 11 counts of bribery and sentenced to 13 years on November 13, 2009, and his chief of staff Brett Pfeffer was sentenced to 84 months in a related case.[112][113]
• Bill Janklow (R-SD) convicted of second-degree manslaughter for running a stop sign and killing a motorcyclist. Resigned from the House and given 100 days in the county jail and three years (2003)[114]
• Robert Torricelli Senator (D-NJ) after 14 years in the House and one term in the Senate, Torricelli declined to run again when accused of taking illegal contributions from Korean businessman David Chang. (2002)[115]
• Jim Traficant (D-OH) found guilty on 10 felony counts of financial corruption, he was sentenced to 8 years in prison and expelled from the House (2002)[116

Those 8 years were pure HELL for most of us....

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

Answered before you even had the list up! I'm going with Iran-contra. Reagan sold arms to hostage takers and gave the proceeds to terrorists. What gets scummier than that?

Oh...lovely, a leftist getting pissed over Reagan doing exactly what they would have done. LOL! Not only would leftists have given terrorists arms for hostages, they probably would have yanked those terrorists' johnsons too, if they thought it would help. So, give it a rest...hypocrite.

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

I could care less how much toukie Kennedy or Clinton got...

Clinton is damaged because he lied under oath abut it during a deposition...
That used to be taken seriously.... I think it's called perjury.

The Libs seem to have selective memory about that.
Just as they do the Iraq war when the Democrat party gave Bush the all clear to invade Iraq...

What man hasn't lied to his wife about getting his dick sucked by someone not his wife? And the judge blocked Clinton's statement. It was never used in court. Only in Congress. What a bunch of fuckers those Republicans are. And Newt was in the middle of his own affair. McCain married the richest woman in Arizona a month after the divorce from his wife who had been disfigured in a car accident, but he swore he never cheated on his wife.

Then there was Larry Flyint who offered a million dollars to anyone who had dirt on Republicans who are trying to bring Clinton down over a blow job and most ran for the hills. With good reason, I'm sure.

A grand jury isn't a man's "wife" and, it wasn't a matter of him getting his dick sucked. It was a matter of obstruction of justice and perjury (lying). Show me where, in one charge, it listed "getting dick sucked" as a crime and what he was being found guilty of. You can't. He was impeached for lying and obstructing justice, not for getting his dick sucked. If a president will lie and obstruct justice over getting his dick sucked, then he can't be trusted to tell the truth about anything else.

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

How far back we going? Grant had a big one. Then there was Teapot Dome, Watergate, Iran-contra. Funny how they were all Republican scandals. The best they could get on the Dems were Kennedy's and Clinton's extra-curricular activities. Hardly on a par with the way the Reps carried on!

All of the Democrap scandals get swept under the rug eventually.

Chappaquiddick
Whitewater Billing
Barney Franks' scandals
Sandy Berger's Docs in Socks
Weinergate
Eliot Spitzer
Jack Murtha and Abscam
Gary Studds molestation scandal
Marion Barry coke sting
Jerry Springer prostitution

Scandals just during the GW Bush rein, some were Democrats, most were Republicans.... The article is very very long.....Clinton had a real long list too! Obama has the smallest from recent years, BUT his term isn't over yet!!!

List of federal political scandals in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2001–2009 George W. Bush Administration

Executive Branch

• Timothy Goeglein Special Assistant to President Bush resigned when it was discovered that more than 20 of his columns had been plagiarized from an Indiana newspaper. (2008)[23]
• Lewis Libby Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney (R), 'Scooter' was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in the Plame Affair on March 6, 2007. He was sentenced to 30 months in prison and fined $250,000. The sentence was commuted by George W. Bush (R) on July 1, 2007. The felony remains on Libby's record though the jail time and fine were commuted.[24][25]
• Alphonso Jackson The Secretary of Housing and Urban Development resigned while under investigation by the FBI for revoking the contract of a vendor who told Jackson he did not like President George W. Bush (R) (2008)[26][27]
• Karl Rove Senior Adviser to President George W. Bush was investigated by the Office of Special Counsel for "improper political influence over government decision-making", as well as for his involvement in several other scandals such as Lawyergate, Bush White House e-mail controversy and Plame affair. He resigned in April 2007. (See Karl Rove in the George W. Bush administration)[28]
• "Lawyergate"[29] Or the Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy refers to President Bush firing, without explanation, eleven Republican federal prosecutors whom he himself had appointed. It is alleged they were fired for prosecuting Republicans and not prosecuting Democrats.[30][31] When Congressional hearings were called, a number of senior Justice Department officials cited executive privilege and refused to testify under oath and instead resigned, including:

1. Michael A. Battle Director of Executive Office of US Attorneys in the Justice Department.[32]
2. Bradley Schlozman Director of Executive Office of US Attorneys who replaced Battle[33]
3. Michael Elston Chief of Staff to Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty[34]
4. Paul McNulty Deputy Attorney General to William Mercer[35]
5. William W. Mercer (R) Associate Attorney General to Alberto Gonzales[36]
6. Kyle Sampson Chief of Staff to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales[32]
7. Alberto Gonzales (R) Attorney General of the United States[37]
8. Monica Goodling Liaison between President Bush and the Justice Department[38]
9. Joshua Bolten Deputy Chief of Staff to President Bush was found in Contempt of Congress[39]
10. Sara M. Taylor Aide to Presidential Advisor Karl Rove[40]
11. Karl Rove Advisor to President Bush[41]
12. Harriet Miers Legal Counsel to President Bush, was found in Contempt of Congress[39]

• Bush White House e-mail controversy – During the Lawyergate investigation it was discovered that the Bush administration used Republican National Committee (RNC) web servers for millions of emails which were then destroyed, lost or deleted in possible violation of the Presidential Records Act and the Hatch Act. George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Andrew Card, Sara Taylor and Scott Jennings all used RNC webservers for the majority of their emails. Of 88 officials, no emails at all were discovered for 51 of them.[42] As many as 5 million e-mails requested by Congressional investigators of other Bush administration scandals were therefore unavailable, lost, or deleted.[43]
• Lurita Alexis Doan Resigned as head of the General Services Administration. She was under scrutiny for conflict of interest and violations of the Hatch Act.[44] Among other things she asked GSA employees how they could "help Republican candidates".[45]
• John Korsmo chairman of the Federal Housing Finance Board pled guilty to lying to congress and sentenced to 18 months of unsupervised probation and fined $5,000. (2005)[46]
• Philip Cooney Bush appointee to chair the Council on Environmental Quality was accused of editing government climate reports to emphasize doubts about global warming.[47] Two days later, Cooney announced his resignation [48] and later conceded his role in altering reports. Stating, "My sole loyalty was to the President and advancing the policies of his administration," .[49][50]
• Jack Abramoff Scandal in which the prominent lobbyist with close ties to Republican administration officials and legislators offered bribes as part of his lobbying efforts. Abramoff was sentenced to 4 years in prison.[51][52] See Legislative scandals.

1. David Safavian GSA (General Services Administration) Chief of Staff,[53] found guilty of blocking justice and lying,[54] and sentenced to 18 months[55]
2. Roger Stillwell Staff in the Department of the Interior under President George W. Bush (R). Pleaded guilty and received two years suspended sentence. [14]
3. Susan B. Ralston Special Assistant to the President and Senior Advisor to Karl Rove, resigned October 6, 2006 after it became known that she accepted gifts and passed information to her former boss Jack Abramoff.[56]
4. J. Steven Griles former Deputy to the Secretary of the Interior pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and was sentenced to 10 months.[57]
5. Italia Federici staff to the Secretary of Interior, and President of the Council of Republicans for Environmental Advocacy, pled guilty to tax evasion and obstruction of justice. She was sentenced to four years probation.[58][59][60]
6. Jared Carpenter Vice-President of the Council of Republicans for Environmental Advocacy, was discovered during the Abramoff investigation and pled guilty to income tax evasion. He got 45 days, plus 4 years probation.[61]
7. Mark Zachares staff in the Department of Labor, bribed by Abramoff, guilty of conspiracy to defraud.[52]
8. Robert E. Coughlin Deputy Chief of Staff, Criminal Division of the Justice Department pleaded guilty to conflict of interest after accepting bribes from Jack Abramoff. (2008)[59]

• Kyle Foggo Executive director of the CIA was convicted of honest services fraud in the awarding of a government contract and sentenced to 37 months in federal prison at Pine Knot, Kentucky. On September 29, 2008, Foggo pleaded guilty to one count of the indictment, admitting that while he was the CIA executive director, he acted to steer a CIA contract to the firm of his lifelong friend, Brent R. Wilkes.[62]
• Julie MacDonald Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Department of the Interior, resigned May 1, 2007 after giving government documents to developers (2007)[63]
• Claude Allen Appointed as an advisor by President George W. Bush (R) on Domestic Policy, Allen was arrested for a series of felony thefts in retail stores. He was convicted on one count and resigned soon after.[64]
• Lester Crawford Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, resigned after 2 months. Pled guilty to conflict of interest and received 3 years suspended sentence and fined $90,000 (2006)[65]
• 2003 Invasion of Iraq depended on intelligence that Saddam Hussein was developing "weapons of mass destruction" (WMDs) meaning nuclear, chemical and/or biological weapons for offensive use. As revealed by The (British) Downing Street memo "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy" The press called this the 'smoking gun."(2005)[66]
• Yellowcake forgery: Just prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration presented evidence to the UN that Iraq was seeking material (yellowcake uranium) in Africa for making nuclear weapons. Though presented as true, it was later found to be not only dubious, but outright false.[67]
• Coalition Provisional Authority Cash Payment Scandal: On June 20, 2005, the staff of the Committee on Government Reform prepared a report for Congressman Henry Waxman.[68] It was revealed that $12 billion in cash had been delivered to Iraq by C-130 planes, on shrinkwrapped pallets of US $100 bills.[69] The United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, concluded that "Many of the funds appear to have been lost to corruption and waste.... Some of the funds could have enriched both criminals and insurgents...." Henry Waxman, commented, "Who in their right mind would send 363 tons of cash into a war zone?" A single flight to Iraq on December 12, 2003 which contained $1.5 billion in cash is said to be the largest single Federal Reserve payout in US history according to Henry Waxman.[70][71]
• Bush administration payment of columnists with federal funds to say nice things about Republican policies. Illegal payments were made to journalists Armstrong Williams, Maggie Gallagher and Michael McManus (2004–2005)[72]
• Bernard Kerik nomination in 2004 as Secretary of Homeland Security was derailed by past employment of an illegal alien as a nanny, and other improprieties. On Nov 4, 2009, he pled guilty to two counts of tax fraud and five counts of lying to the federal government and was sentenced to four years in prison.[73]
• Plame affair (2004), in which CIA agent Valerie Plame's name was supposedly leaked by Richard Armitage, Deputy Secretary of State, to the press in retaliation for her husband's criticism of the reports used by George W. Bush to legitimize the Iraq war.[74] Armitage admitted he was the leak[75] but no wrongdoing was found.
• Thomas A. Scully, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), withheld information from Congress about the projected cost of the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act, and allegedly threatened to fire Medicare's chief actuary, Richard Foster, if Foster provided the data to Congress. (2003)[76] Scully resigned on December 16, 2003.
• NSA warrantless surveillance – Shortly after the September 11 attacks in 2001, President George W. Bush (R) implemented a secret program by the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on domestic telephone calls by American citizens without warrants, thus by-passing the FISA court which must approve all such actions. (2002)[77] In 2010, Federal Judge Vaughn Walker ruled this practice to be illegal.[78]
• Kenneth Lay, a member of the Republican National Committee, financial donor and ally of President George W. Bush (R) and once considered a possible Secretary of the Treasury. Lay was found guilty of 10 counts of securities fraud concerning his company Enron, but died before sentencing.[79][80][81][82][83]
• Janet Rehnquist (daughter of former Chief Justice William Rehnquist) appointed Inspector General of the Department of Health and Human Services by George W. Bush. In 2002, Governor Jeb Bush's (R-FL) Chief of Staff Kathleen Shanahan asked Rehnquist to delay auditing a $571 million federal overpayment to the State of Florida. Rehnquist ordered her staff to delay the investigation for five months until after the Florida elections. When Congress began an investigation in to the matter, Rehnquist resigned in March 2003, saying she wanted to spend more time with her family.[84][85][86][86][87][88]
• John Yoo An attorney in the Office of Legal Counsel inside the Justice Department who, working closely with vice president Dick Cheney and The Bush Six,[89] wrote memos stating the right of the president to –

1. suspend sections of the ABM Treaty without informing Congress[90]
2. bypass the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act allowing warrentless wiretapping of US Citizens within the United States by the National Security Agency.[90]
3. state that the First Amendment and Fourth Amendments and the Takings Clause do not apply to the president in time of war as defined in the USA PATRIOT Act[90]
4. allow Enhanced Interrogation Techniques (torture) because provisions of the War Crimes Act, the Third Geneva Convention, and the Torture convention do not apply.[90]

Many of his memos have since been repudiated and reversed.[90][91] Later review by the Justice Department reported that Yoo and Jay Bybee used "poor judgement" in the memos, but no charges have yet been filed.[92]


Legislative Branch

• Ted Stevens Senator (R-AK) convicted on seven counts of bribery and tax evasion October 27, 2008 just prior to the election. He continued his run for re-election, but lost. Once the Republican was defeated in his re-election, new US Attorney General Eric Holder (D) dismissed the charges "in the interest of justice" stating that the Justice Department had illegally withheld evidence from defense counsel.[93]
• Charles Rangel (D-NY) failed to report $75,000 income from the rental of his villa in Punta Cana, Dominican Republic and was forced to pay $11,000 in back taxes.(September 2008)[94]
• Rick Renzi (R-AZ) Announced he would not seek another term. Seven months later, on February 22, 2008 he pleaded not guilty to 35 charges of fraud, conspiracy and money laundering.[95]
• Frank Ballance (D-NC) admitted to a federal charge of money laundering and mail fraud in October 2005 and sentenced to 4 years in prison.[96]
• Jack Abramoff Scandal, (R) lobbyist found guilty of conspiracy, tax evasion and corruption of public officials in three different courts in a wide ranging investigation. Currently serving 70 months and fined $24.7 million.[97] See Scandals, Executive Branch. The following were also implicated:

1. Tom DeLay (R-TX) The House Majority Leader was reprimanded twice by the House Ethics Committee and his aides indicted (2004–2005); eventually DeLay himself was investigated in October 2005 in connection with the Abramoff scandal, but not indicted. DeLay resigned from the House 9 June 2006.[98] Delay was found to have illegally channeled funds from Americans for a Republican Majority to Republican state legislator campaigns. He was convicted of two counts of money laundering and conspiracy in 2010.[99]
2. Michael Scanlon (R) former staff to Tom DeLay: working for Abramoff, pled guilty to bribery.[51][52]
3. Tony Rudy (R) former staff to Tom DeLay, pleaded guilty to conspiracy.[52]
4. James W. Ellis executive director of Tom DeLay's political action committee, Americans for a Republican Majority (ARMPAC), was indicted by Texas for money laundering.[100]
5. John Colyandro executive director of Tom DeLay's political action committee, Texans for a Republican Majority (TRMPAC), was indicted by Texas for money laundering[100]
6. Bob Ney (R-OH) pleaded guilty to conspiracy and making false statements as a result of his receiving trips from Abramoff in exchange for legislative favors. Ney received 30 months in prison.[52][101]
7. Neil Volz former staff to Robert Ney, pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy in 2006 charges stemming from his work for Bob Ney. In 2007 he was sentenced to two years probation, 100 hours community service, and a fine of $2,000.[102]
8. William Heaton, former chief of staff for Bob Ney (R), pleaded guilty to a federal conspiracy charge involving a golf trip to Scotland, expensive meals, and tickets to sporting events between 2002 and 2004 as payoffs for helping Abramoff's clients.[103]
9. John Albaugh , former chief of staff to Ernest Istook (R-OK), pled guilty to accepting bribes connected to the Federal Highway Bill. Istook was not charged. (2008)[104]
10. James Hirni, former staff to Tim Hutchinson (R-AR), was charged with wire fraud for giving a staffer for Don Young (R) of Alaska a bribe in exchange for amendments to the Federal Highway Bill. (2008)[105]
11. Kevin A. Ring (R) former staff to John Doolittle (R-CA) was convicted of five charges of corruption.[106][107]

• John Doolittle (R-CA) both he and his wife were under investigation (January 2008). Under this cloud, Doolittle decided not to run for re-election in November 2008. The Justice Department announced in June 2010 they had terminated the investigation and found no wrongdoing.[108]
• Randy Cunningham (R-CA) pleaded guilty on November 28, 2005 to charges of conspiracy to commit bribery, mail fraud, wire fraud and tax evasion in what came to be called the Cunningham scandal. Sentenced to over eight years.[109]
• Kyle Foggo Executive director of the CIA was convicted of honest services fraud in the awarding of a government contract and sentenced to 37 months in the federal prison at Pine Knot, Kentucky. On September 29, 2008, Foggo pleaded guilty to one count of the indictment, admitting that while CIA executive director he acted to steer a CIA contract to the firm of his lifelong friend, Brent R. Wilkes.[62]
• Tan Nguyen (R-CA) congressional candidate for the 47th District was convicted of voter intimidation. He lost the election and was sentenced to one year in prison and six months in a halfway house. (2006)[110]
• Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) struck a U.S. Capitol Police officer in the chest after he attempted to stop her from going around a security checkpoint. McKinney apologized on the floor of the House and no charges were filed (March 29, 2006)[111]
• William J. Jefferson (D-LA) in August 2005 the FBI seized $90,000 in cash from Jefferson's home freezer. He was re-elected anyway, but lost in 2008. Jefferson was convicted of 11 counts of bribery and sentenced to 13 years on November 13, 2009, and his chief of staff Brett Pfeffer was sentenced to 84 months in a related case.[112][113]
• Bill Janklow (R-SD) convicted of second-degree manslaughter for running a stop sign and killing a motorcyclist. Resigned from the House and given 100 days in the county jail and three years (2003)[114]
• Robert Torricelli Senator (D-NJ) after 14 years in the House and one term in the Senate, Torricelli declined to run again when accused of taking illegal contributions from Korean businessman David Chang. (2002)[115]
• Jim Traficant (D-OH) found guilty on 10 felony counts of financial corruption, he was sentenced to 8 years in prison and expelled from the House (2002)[116

Those 8 years were pure HELL for most of us....

Yeah, I'm sure those eight years WERE pure HELL for most of you.........leftists. LOL!

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[rdean]

Which of the following scandals involved the greatest Presidential culpability?

How far back we going? Grant had a big one. Then there was Teapot Dome, Watergate, Iran-contra. Funny how they were all Republican scandals. The best they could get on the Dems were Kennedy's and Clinton's extra-curricular activities. Hardly on a par with the way the Reps carried on!

All of the Democrap scandals get swept under the rug eventually.

Chappaquiddick
Whitewater Billing
Barney Franks' scandals
Sandy Berger's Docs in Socks
Weinergate
Eliot Spitzer
Jack Murtha and Abscam
Gary Studds molestation scandal
Marion Barry coke sting
Jerry Springer prostitution

Look how petty those scandals are. Sending pictures of your drawers.

Real scandals are tricking the nation into going into Iraq. What happened after Katrina. Watergate. Iran Contra. Letting Bin Laden go. NOW THOSE ARE SCANDALS. See? Republicans are good at something.

 

[Barb]

I'm torn between Watergate and Iran / Contra Watergate showed SO much of the scum sticking to the barnacled underbelly of the Nixon Administration (and the right wing in general) via the Church hearings, the exposure of COINTELPRO, etc...

But with Iran / Contra, all the unseemliness and criminal activities were directly related to what Reagan wanted regarding the Contra rebels and what he was willing to do in circumventing congressional oversight.

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

How far back we going? Grant had a big one. Then there was Teapot Dome, Watergate, Iran-contra. Funny how they were all Republican scandals. The best they could get on the Dems were Kennedy's and Clinton's extra-curricular activities. Hardly on a par with the way the Reps carried on!

All of the Democrap scandals get swept under the rug eventually.

Chappaquiddick
Whitewater Billing
Barney Franks' scandals
Sandy Berger's Docs in Socks
Weinergate
Eliot Spitzer
Jack Murtha and Abscam
Gary Studds molestation scandal
Marion Barry coke sting
Jerry Springer prostitution

Look how petty those scandals are. Sending pictures of your drawers.

Real scandals are tricking the nation into going into Iraq. What happened after Katrina. Watergate. Iran Contra. Letting Bin Laden go. NOW THOSE ARE SCANDALS. See? Republicans are good at something.

No, the real scandal is that you make shit up and try to posit it as the truth.

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

Slight difference. We weren't selling arms.

Fast & Furious was dangerous because the arms were sold or given out on our borders and were a threat to Americans that live along the border.

Iran Contra wasn't designed to push public opinion in favor of anti-gun legislation which Fast & Furious was.

Iran Contra was an attempt to trade arms for American hostages.

Fast and Furious was designed to stop criminal behaviour. That was the intent, not flood the market with guns.

Iran Contra was to go against Congress and deal with hostage takers AND terrorists....

Easily, by a country mile, a true scandal.

Benghazi doesn't even hit the scandal scale...

Bull shit. Fast And Furious could never stop criminal behaviour. It could only make it worse. True, the intent was not to flood the market with guns. The intent was to commit murders with weapons that could be traced back to gun dealers in the states.

Btw, Iran Contra did not become illegal till the Dems in Congress voted after the fact to make it illegal.

Benghazi was bad enough in itself, but the coverup made it a scandal. Before it was simply negligence bordering on criminal intent. When they started making up scenarios to fit their campaign it became a coverup. FYI, Nixon was brought down with similar actions after the fact.

Btw, Obama found his fall-guy.

It was the White Guy. James Clapper.

"Btw, Iran Contra did not become illegal till the Dems in Congress voted after the fact to make it illegal."

And that's hilarious too, since prior to such they were advocating doing that very thing. Like I said in another post, "Oh...lovely, a leftist getting pissed over Reagan doing exactly what they would have done. LOL! Not only would leftists have given terrorists arms for hostages, they probably would have yanked those terrorists' johnsons too, if they thought it would help."

 

[Noomi]

Which of the following scandals involved the greatest Presidential culpability?

Watergate. Its the only Presidential scandal which required the POTUS to step down.

 

[Barb]

Just for clarity, I have copied the Wikipedia summary of Iran-Contra:

The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: ایران-کنترا*, Spanish: caso Irán-contras), also referred to as Irangate, Contragate or the Iran-Contra scandal, was a political scandal in the United States that came to light in November 1986. During the Reagan administration, senior Reagan administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, the subject of an arms embargo.[1] Some U.S. officials also hoped that the arms sales would secure the release of hostages and allow U.S. intelligence agencies to fund the Nicaraguan Contras. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.

The scandal began as an operation to free seven American hostages being held by a group with Iranian ties connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. It was planned that Israel would ship weapons to Iran, and then the U.S. would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of the U.S. hostages. The plan deteriorated into an arms-for-hostages scheme, in which members of the executive branch sold weapons to Iran in exchange for the release of the American hostages.[2][3] Large modifications to the plan were devised by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985, in which a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.[4][5]

Although (with hindsight)this effort was ill advised, it does not seem that it was undertaken for political purposes or personal gain. At most, it violated constitutional separation of powers by continuing to provide funding to the Nicaraguan Contras after they had been defunded by Congress. Did not a similar violation occur when Obama implemented a portion of the Dream Act without Congressional authorization?

Please explain why you think this is the greatest of all modern scandals.

from A Contradiction of Terms: How Ronald Reagan‘s Policies Made the Rich Richer and the Poor Poorer pgs 76-77

In 1979, a group of Nicaraguan exiles calling themselves the Contras began to fight a guerrilla war against the Sandinista government of Nicaragua. The Reagan administration thought these guys could be handy in the Cold War, and President Reagan even gushed that they reminded him of the "founding fathers."

The US Congress disagreed, and it passed ―Boland Amendment restricting the types of support his administration could offer to the Contras. These Amendments expressly forbid Reagan from using CIA funds to depose the Sandinista government, and restricted U.S. Aide to the Contras to ―humanitarian‖ relief.

Michael Agar explained what Reagan did next. The Gipper decided that if he couldn‘t get the money from Congress to help his new best friends, he would let them use US relief planes, after they were emptied of food and band aids, every trip, to bring shitloads of cocaine into the United States, and then he would let them sell it to us. And that‘s just what he did:

[…] Based on past cases, it is unlikely that the CIA played an active role in developing U.S. markets. For present purposes, one thing is clear, in Central America with cocaine, just as with other cases in Southeast and Southwest Asia, political allies of the U.S., in wars against Communist regimes used illicit drugs to raise revenue to support their efforts. When this did happen, the U.S. at least looked the other way. At the next level, U.S. logistical support was used to transport illicit drugs. One more level up and the U.S. actively intervened to protect its allies against the efforts of other agencies, from the U.S. or other countries, to stop trafficking. All these levels were reached in the Contra case.Agar, Michael Addiction Research & Theory: The Story Of Crack: Towards A Theory Of Illicit Drug Trends, 27pFeb2003, Vol. 11 Issue 1, p3-29, retrieved May 15, 2010 from http://library.esc.edu/login?url=ht...direct=true&db=a9h&AN=9114775&site=ehost-live 11-12

Agar, Michael Addiction Research & Theory: 11-12
Robert Parry went into greater detail regarding the findings of John Kerry‘s Congressional investigation into the funding of the Contras through the international cocaine trade. These details included the 1998 confirmation from CIA inspector Fredrick Hitz that the Reagan administration knew from the start that the CIA was working with drug traffickers in the Contra army, that these traffickers were internationally associated, and that the CIA protected them from exposure and prosecution. Additionally, that this indicated direct connections between the flood of cocaine into the United States in the 1980s and express commands from officials of the United States Government.


Parry, Robert Salon.com How John Kerry exposed the Contra-cocaine scandal, 25 October 2004, retrieved May 15, 2010 from How John Kerry exposed the Contra-cocaine scandal - Salon.com 6

Reviewing evidence that existed in the 1980s, CIA inspector general Hitz found that some Contra-connected drug traffickers worked directly for Reagan's National Security Council staff and the CIA. In 1987, Cuban-American Bay of Pigs veteran Moises Nunez told CIA investigators that "it was difficult to answer questions relating to his involvement in narcotics trafficking because of the specific tasks he had performed at the direction of the NSC." Parry, Robert Salon.com How John Kerry exposed the Contra-cocaine scandal, 6

The result of this trafficking was that powder cocaine available through the US drug market was purer in form, cheaper by half, and in greater supply than decreasing demand would support. The decrease in demand came when baby-boomers were coming to understand the consequences of prolonged drug use. Men didn't want to become candidates for the future, ―this is the face of erectile dysfunction‖ ads, the women decided that they kind of liked their teeth, the mood swings didn't make anyone attractive, and the bosses sobered up long enough to differentiate between lively and psychotic. The wealthy would not sustain demand, and the market had to adjust down to "retail" the product to bargain shoppers.

Parry, Robert Salon.com How John Kerry exposed the Contra-cocaine scandal, 12-19

Keep in mind kids, these drugs came in on US Military aircraft to flood our streets, for sale to your parents, and the biggest kingpin of the whole disreputable bunch was the President of the United States.

 

[NoNukes]

According to Reagan, he didn't know anything about what Admiral Poindexter and Ollie North were doing in the basement of the WH regarding Iran Contra. So, you would think that conservatives would have been outraged that North hijacked Reagan's presidency and put his administration at risk. But oddly enough, conservatives hailed North as a hero. If you believe Reagan's story (that he didn't know what was going on), then North comes about as close to treason as one can get without actually spying for the enemy and giving them information on your national defenses.

So, was North a hero? Was Reagan a clueless figurehead? Or was Reagan a complicit liar and Ollie was just carrying out his orders?

Reagan was opposed to the spread of Communism that was taking place in Nicaragua and the Democrat Senate apparently adored them. The Boland Amendments, there were a number of them, prohibited Reagan from using any tax-payer funds to fight the Sandinista Communists.

So, Reagan told Poindexter, North and a few others to find a way to get some non-taxpayer funds. They did, by selling arms to Iran, that were brokered by (gasp) Israel, and the profits were used to aid the Contras.

So, fuck all of you commie lovers. If not for Reagan, Central America would be part of the Soviet Union, and they would probably still be alive and well.

If Central America, or any other place wants to be Communist, they have a right to be anything that they want.

 

[Barb]

According to Reagan, he didn't know anything about what Admiral Poindexter and Ollie North were doing in the basement of the WH regarding Iran Contra. So, you would think that conservatives would have been outraged that North hijacked Reagan's presidency and put his administration at risk. But oddly enough, conservatives hailed North as a hero. If you believe Reagan's story (that he didn't know what was going on), then North comes about as close to treason as one can get without actually spying for the enemy and giving them information on your national defenses.

So, was North a hero? Was Reagan a clueless figurehead? Or was Reagan a complicit liar and Ollie was just carrying out his orders?

Reagan was opposed to the spread of Communism that was taking place in Nicaragua and the Democrat Senate apparently adored them. The Boland Amendments, there were a number of them, prohibited Reagan from using any tax-payer funds to fight the Sandinista Communists.

So, Reagan told Poindexter, North and a few others to find a way to get some non-taxpayer funds. They did, by selling arms to Iran, that were brokered by (gasp) Israel, and the profits were used to aid the Contras.

So, fuck all of you commie lovers. If not for Reagan, Central America would be part of the Soviet Union, and they would probably still be alive and well.

If Central America, or any other place wants to be Communist, they have a right to be anything that they want.

We have carried out enough scumbaggery in the war against communism that the whole paranoid mindset deserves to be called a religion.

 

[JakeStarkey]

All administrations and all parties have scandals, and being Dem or Pub only means there will be more scandals.

 

[editec]

The use of the word "culpability" asks us which POTUS is MOST PERSONALLY responsible?

Well assuming Reagan did NOT know about Iran Contra (assuming that's true) then I'd say Clinton's BLOWMEGATE scandal fits the bill.

As to which was THE WORST SCANDAL?

I'd say IRAN CONTRA was the worst scandal.

But as to who is most culpabil for that scandal?


Nobody seems to know or at least, to be able to prove what they think they know

It's a drop dead cinche Bill was the culpabil for that event.

 

[JoeB131]

Which of the following scandals involved the greatest Presidential culpability?

Oh, easily- Watergate.

Let's compare- A president uses the IRS, CIA, FBI to spy on and discredit his political enemies while persuing an illegal war. Ummmm. Yup, that's a scandal. The only one bad enough to force a presidential resignation.

Iran-Contra- No evidence to this day Reagan knew about the "Contra" part of it. The Iran Part is forgivable because, first, the embargo of weapons against Iran was a presidential perogative, and second, he was trying to save American lives. So I give Reagan a pass on Iran Contra.

Zippergate- Clinton broke the law, absolutely. He lied in a court case that had no merit, was brought for political reasons, and he eventually settled. But he did lie. Impeachment was an overreaction. Probably diminished it by politicizing it as much as they did.

Finally, we have Benghazi- Only a scandal on Faux News, where you can make up your own facts and the Rubes totally buy into it. I mean, shit, a top Rube Senator says the world is only 6000 years old, and they totally buy that.

 

[Sallow]

I'm learning a lot of bad things about Reagan. From Amnesty to this.

You’re not learning shit from these idiots, those people are not "Taliban"... The Taliban didn't exist, and there are no women in the Taliban. Those are Mujahidin freedom fighters who were fighting the Soviets. Our support for them drove the Soviets out and hastened the fall of the Soviet Union...Learn something before you believe these idiots

Seriously.

What nonsense.

The very same people, people like Osama Bin Laden, were part of the Muj.

Names changed. The players didn't.

 

[Fang]

Benghazi because 4 Americans died and the government ran with a complete lie. What's evern worse is Liberals want to brush it under the carpet because a Democrat is in office. The truth doesn't matter as long as you can stay in power.

 

[konradv]

Benghazi because 4 Americans died and the government ran with a complete lie. What's evern worse is Liberals want to brush it under the carpet because a Democrat is in office. The truth doesn't matter as long as you can stay in power.

It's sad that 4 people died, but I don't think there was time to do anything about it and what you call lying many would call a difference of opinion. On the other hand, selling arms to hostage takers and giving the proceeds to terrorists, is truly scummy.