Poll: FDR # 1 President

[JakeStarkey]

Fenris, ol' buddy, the fact is that you are part of the body politic and the social compact applies. Doesn't matter if you don't like it. Doesn't matter if it makes you unhappy. You will partake in the compact. That is part of an American. If you don't want to, OK, but don't expect the great majority to be carrying you around on their shoulders shouting "Fenris is our hero." If you live here as a citizen, you play by the rules.

 

[Trajan]

The decline in poverty was 63.8% during the Johnson years of War on Poverty.

Some people here are having trouble accepting the obvious fact: the program worked.

what?????source please?


cause I have the poverty rate at;

all races-

1964- 19.0%
1969 12.1%

white 1964 14.9%, 1969 9.5

black 1964- 49.8% 1969- 32.8%




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[LibocalypseNow]

I'm skeptical of this poll to say the least. It looks like a bunch of snotty indoctrinated Socialist/Progressive college kids simply voted for a fellow Socialist. Predictable result coming from our Leftist-brainwashed college kids. FDR is not the #1 President. Personally,i would go with Abraham Lincoln. Just my take anyway.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The decline in poverty was 63.8% during the Johnson years of War on Poverty.

Some people here are having trouble accepting the obvious fact: the program worked.

what?????source please?


cause I have the poverty rate at;

all races-

1964- 19.0%
1969 12.1%

white 1964 14.9%, 1969 9.5

black 1964- 49.8% 1969- 32.8%

1

Good. I wanted you to post those numbers above, and I knew if I put down the figure before that, you would. The actual decrease is about 36% during the War on Poverty, based on your figures. You are bound by that %. You cannot even come close to arguing cogently that the War on Poverty was ineffective.

 

[The T]

I'm skeptical of this poll to say the least. It looks like a bunch of snotty indoctrinated Socialist/Progressive college kids simply voted for a fellow Socialist. Predictable result coming from our Leftist-brainwashed college kids. FDR is not the #1 President. Personally,i would go with Abraham Lincoln. Just my take anyway.

I concur. Lincoln put everything he had into the preservation of the Union while revering the Declaration Of Independence.

This man knew what was at stake. And there are those that compare Obama to Lincoln? NFW (No way). Obama is 180 out of Lincoln.

FDR was a Socialist in Democrat Attire. He was a Statist...whom threw the Constitution out the window much as is practiced now.

 

[Trajan]

Now looking at AFDC data- table 4- data on afdc enrollment and job trng.; in 1954 the total no. of recipients per 1000’s is 2173…1970? 9659. The number of children? 54- 1639, 1970? 7033.

that is correct or that is the data is in his book from the sources he lists.

my bad, that chart is delineated as total number( in thousands), my apologies.

Again, I can't help but be a bit suspicious of his numbers, since the federal government lists the total number of AFDC beneficiaries (in thousands) in 1970 as 8,303, with the number for children being 6,104.

There may be a reason his numbers are inflated by 16% but I can't say offhand what it is.

beats me...well heres the citations he lists for the data;

HSUS 1950-70, H346-367

I just looked again. One curious thing, his chart has a column for adfc families as % of all families, 4.95%, yet the chart you post does not have that deliniation... that is a cogent benchmark I think.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Kennedy Tax cuts.

 

[Greenbeard]

I just looked again. One curious thing, his chart has a column for adfc families as % of all families, 4.95%, yet the chart you post does not have that deliniation... that is a cogent benchmark I think.

The chart I linked to lists "Recipients as a Percent of Total Population." I'm not sure where you'd get data on the number of "families"--are you sure it doesn't say households?

 

[Trajan]

The decline in poverty was 63.8% during the Johnson years of War on Poverty.

Some people here are having trouble accepting the obvious fact: the program worked.

what?????source please?


cause I have the poverty rate at;

all races-

1964- 19.0%
1969 12.1%

white 1964 14.9%, 1969 9.5

black 1964- 49.8% 1969- 32.8%

1

Good. I wanted you to post those numbers above, and I knew if I put down the figure before that, you would. The actual decrease is about 36% during the War on Poverty, based on your figures. You are bound by that %. You cannot even come close to arguing cogently that the War on Poverty was ineffective.

yea sure you did....all you had to do was ask..you cannot even figure out the fallacy of your 36% remark and have totally blown by any other part of the equation/bearing of conversation ala societal results and non results.

now that you apparently have declared victory thanks for nothing at all by way of discussion or conversation. I was wording how you would end this in an up-note for yourself, now I know and have been warned.

 

[Trajan]

I just looked again. One curious thing, his chart has a column for adfc families as % of all families, 4.95%, yet the chart you post does not have that deliniation... that is a cogent benchmark I think.

The chart I linked to lists "Recipients as a Percent of Total Population." I'm not sure where you'd get data on the number of "families"--are you sure it doesn't say households?

nope, families....and it has a first time enrollees column as well.

 

[rightwinger]

Kennedy Tax cuts.

Kennedy had tax rates much higher than Obama

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Kennedy Tax cuts.

Kennedy had tax rates much higher than Obama

Thank you for that bit of totally irrelevant information. I'm sure you think you made a point, I'll be damned if I know what it is.

Kennedy cut taxes right before LBJ took part in the assassination that would make him President and enabled him to begin the Great Society of a Permanent Democrat Voting Underclass Programs

 

[rightwinger]

Kennedy Tax cuts.

Kennedy had tax rates much higher than Obama

Thank you for that bit of totally irrelevant information. I'm sure you think you made a point, I'll be damned if I know what it is.

Kennedy cut taxes right before LBJ took part in the assassination that would make him President and enabled him to begin the Great Society of a Permanent Democrat Voting Underclass Programs

Its all about perspective Frankie

You may herald the fact that JFK cut taxes but he cut them to a level much higher than the tax "increases" you scream at Obama about.

Obama tax rates this year were lower than Bush's

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Kennedy had tax rates much higher than Obama

Thank you for that bit of totally irrelevant information. I'm sure you think you made a point, I'll be damned if I know what it is.

Kennedy cut taxes right before LBJ took part in the assassination that would make him President and enabled him to begin the Great Society of a Permanent Democrat Voting Underclass Programs

Its all about perspective Frankie

You may herald the fact that JFK cut taxes but he cut them to a level much higher than the tax "increases" you scream at Obama about.

Obama tax rates this year were lower than Bush's

Again, Kennedy cut taxes-- stay with one thought at a time. I don't want to overburden you.

Those cuts created a tsunami of economic growth allowing the co-conspirator in his assassination, LBJ to take credit for the continued reduction in poverty.

I don't know why you brought Obama into this and of course it's good so see your brought BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooosh to the party.

 

[The Infidel]

FDR was a fascist piece of garbage.

Dont forget about all the other ethincities that were kept under lock and key

And your one to talk about facist pigs..... go look in the mirror

Fascist or not, he had the right letter beside his name, which is all the OP cares about.

That whole poll was a joke.

 

[Trajan]

Kennedy had tax rates much higher than Obama

Thank you for that bit of totally irrelevant information. I'm sure you think you made a point, I'll be damned if I know what it is.

Kennedy cut taxes right before LBJ took part in the assassination that would make him President and enabled him to begin the Great Society of a Permanent Democrat Voting Underclass Programs

Obama tax rates this year were lower than Bush's

what tax rates? exactly?

 

[The Infidel]

I'm skeptical of this poll to say the least. It looks like a bunch of snotty indoctrinated Socialist/Progressive college kids simply voted for a fellow Socialist. Predictable result coming from our Leftist-brainwashed college kids. FDR is not the #1 President. Personally,i would go with Abraham Lincoln. Just my take anyway.

Agreed.... but I like Gorge W ......... ashington as a #1 (had to be done)



G. dubb isnt on my short list.

 

[JakeStarkey]

what?????source please?


cause I have the poverty rate at;

all races-

1964- 19.0%
1969 12.1%

white 1964 14.9%, 1969 9.5

black 1964- 49.8% 1969- 32.8%

1

Good. I wanted you to post those numbers above, and I knew if I put down the figure before that, you would. The actual decrease is about 36% during the War on Poverty, based on your figures. You are bound by that %. You cannot even come close to arguing cogently that the War on Poverty was ineffective.

yea sure you did....all you had to do was ask..you cannot even figure out the fallacy of your 36% remark and have totally blown by any other part of the equation/bearing of conversation ala societal results and non results.

now that you apparently have declared victory thanks for nothing at all by way of discussion or conversation. I was wording how you would end this in an up-note for yourself, now I know and have been warned.

There is no fallacy, and if you continued your argument in a college course on Modern America you would receive an F and a conversation on stubbornness in the face of evidence.

 

[Fenris Wolf]

Fenris, ol' buddy, the fact is that you are part of the body politic and the social compact applies. Doesn't matter if you don't like it. Doesn't matter if it makes you unhappy. You will partake in the compact. That is part of an American. If you don't want to, OK, but don't expect the great majority to be carrying you around on their shoulders shouting "Fenris is our hero." If you live here as a citizen, you play by the rules.

Actually, I could give a shit less about the social compact you and your commi buddies devised to make yourselves more comfortable about the ruination of this country. I've lived here all my life and I have yet to see where socialism is part of the rules. Truth of the matter is it's destroying our country. Real Americans will survive this and the teat suckers are going to parish in a fit of hysteria when the great beast of entitlement croaks. You and your ilk depend on a bloated government to provide all the basic necessities for life. You have failed to acquire the skills of self sufficiency and you do not pass these lessons on to the next generation, and have begun a downward spiraling legacy. If you haven't learned by now that the intervention of federal government is the worst solution to every calamity and hardship this country faces then you haven't learned much. It's citizens helping citizens to help themselves that makes the difference, not government handouts and regulation.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Fenris, ol' buddy, the fact is that you are part of the body politic and the social compact applies. Doesn't matter if you don't like it. Doesn't matter if it makes you unhappy. You will partake in the compact. That is part of an American. If you don't want to, OK, but don't expect the great majority to be carrying you around on their shoulders shouting "Fenris is our hero." If you live here as a citizen, you play by the rules.

Actually, I could give a shit less about the social compact you and your commi buddies devised to make yourselves more comfortable about the ruination of this country. I've lived here all my life and I have yet to see where socialism is part of the rules. Truth of the matter is it's destroying our country. Real Americans will survive this and the teat suckers are going to parish in a fit of hysteria when the great beast of entitlement croaks. You and your ilk depend on a bloated government to provide all the basic necessities for life. You have failed to acquire the skills of self sufficiency and you do not pass these lessons on to the next generation, and have begun a downward spiraling legacy. If you haven't learned by now that the intervention of federal government is the worst solution to every calamity and hardship this country faces then you haven't learned much. It's citizens helping citizens to help themselves that makes the difference, not government handouts and regulation.

Complain all you want, for it means nothing but if it makes you feel well, good for you. That's an American right. And, yes, you will participate.