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I'm sure we can..mom4 said:It isn't a matter of what I approve, but he brought up the topic of science, specifically dinosaurs. I thought we could have a respectful discussion. ....
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I'm sure we can..mom4 said:It isn't a matter of what I approve, but he brought up the topic of science, specifically dinosaurs. I thought we could have a respectful discussion. ....
Mr. P said:I'm sure we can..
Don't know..wasn't my post..I'll think about it..mom4 said:Cool! So why do people think that dinosuars disprove the Bible? I'm laboring under the assumption that you espouse this viewpoint.
mom4 said:Another point of interest is cave drawings depicting dinosaurs (One in White River Canyon, Utah comes to mind) along with other animals these people hunted or observed.
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MissileMan said:I don't believe there are any cave drawings depicting any reptilian dinosaurs. I have seen depictions of mammoths and sabertooth cats.
Here's a brief explanation of how they have dated fossils:
gop_jeff said:Again, all the major versions of the Bible - King James, New International Version, English Standard Version, Holman Christian Standard - say the same thing, even though the translation is slightly different.
Fmr jarhead said:Thanks for jumping in Missile Man.....
The existence of celestial bodies that predate the word of the Bible has always perplexed me.
There is no mention of the dinosaurs (T-Rex Brontasaurus....Pteradactyl's etc), Cro-Magnun man (like the one that drew the earliest drawing found in a cave in France)
I have never seen a depiction of dinos older that 100,000 or so years ago, like the drawings in France....I doubt the drawings in Utah are older, but probably a similar time frame.
Very interesting information, that predates the bible, if I am not mistaken....but do correct me, if I am wrong.
I just think the stories of the bible are too similar to other religions, to have been descended from one source...
To each his own, I applaud your right to worship as you please, but it just doesn't sit right with my reasoning. Maybe you can explain how the dinosaurs existed, and how the Hubble telescope is finding the existence of universes that are millions of years old....and that, would no doubt, pre-date the bible, wouldn't it?
nakedemperor said:63% of Americans think the earth is <10,000 years old?
nakedemperor said:63% of Americans think the earth is <10,000 years old?
Avatar4321 said:I think the different versions do matter. One thing I've learned alot in law school is words mean something. If you mistate something you can seriously change what was meant by it.
Reminds me of the joke of the Pope who died and asked Peter if he could read the scriptures as they were originally written and when Peter heard him yell he asked him what was wrong and the Pope said. "It says Celebrate."
We have to be careful when reading what it says.
Avatar4321 said:I was unaware that you were over 10,000 years old to verify that.
So true--do you have ANY idea how many scholars have studied for decades trying to determine just what the OT says for example----it's the national sport in Israel !mom4 said:This is true. The most accurate "version" is, of course, the original. Different copies in the original languages are virtually unchanged over time. What a miracle! Since most of us cannot read, Hebrew, Aramaic, and/or Greek, the best thing to do is cross-reference several translations to get a better idea of the original meaning.
Fmr jarhead said:How do people actually turn to salt? I have always pondered that one, as well.
nakedemperor said:I mean.. touche? Come on. Its scientific. Empirical. The fundamental tenents of chemistry, biology, history, geology, botany, paleontology are all based on the knowledge (not assumption) that the Earth is billions of years old, let alone greater than 10,000 years old.
Plus, how helpful is the "if you didn't see it you don't know it happened" argument? Not very.
Fmr jarhead said:Hey, MOM, I prefer to not get into a semantcis thing with you....the stories of the bible are widely held beliefs by a number of humans, as is Hinduism, Buddhism, and many other "isms" that you would consider heresy.
You have your belief, and that's great for you.
I would like to see evidence of a worldwide flood that occurred at the same time around the entire globe...most theologians have come to accept a localized flood as the most plausible explanation to Noah's plight....how large a boat would have to be built to house ALL the creatures of the world? Wouldn't it make the super cruise liners of today look small (or maybe some of the critters that didn't get on the boat were able to hide in a whale's belly)
How do people actually turn to salt? I have always pondered that one, as well.