Polar Ice

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    Very interesting.

    Around march 1st, the Arctic Sea ice Extent curve bent up to almost touch the range of standard deviation for the average 1979 to 2000.

    Meanwhile, at the South Pole, Sea Ice is about 90,000 square kilometers above the 30 year average.

    Dr. Hansen must, we may assume, be rechecking his figures. Again.

    If it's so freakin' hot, where is all this ice coming from?

    http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100303_Figure2.png

    http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100303_Figure6.png
     
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    The Earth has slowed due to the Chilean quake. A slower Earth has caused the water molecules to slow and become a solid state (ice). Did I mention January was the WARMEST EVER? So says, our warmer friend(s). Interesting how the warm areas are near these poles with the growing ice huh? Will one of you morons trot out some new graph please. They are so entertaining, unreliable, but entertaining.
     
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    Actually, it sped up.
     
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    So much for the warmer bait. Shorter day means faster rotation.
     
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    Yes, very interesting, indeed. The north polar ice is actually touching the bottom of the two standard deviation range for the present date.

    It is only 106,000,000 square kilometers below the 30 year average.

    In the mean time, the South Polar sea ice is 90,000 square kilometers above average.

    So what you are saying is that 90,000 is larger and more significant than 106,000,000? Perhaps you should recheck your logic.

    Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis
     
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    Gee the chart appears to say we are well above the 2006-07 sea ice levels. So if this is the hotest year on record, why the ice EXPANSION? Interesting that the chart uses just a thirty year average. Just how do they figure the areas with 15% sea ice in it? Particularly back in 1979. Is it the same method?
     
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    They are called satellites, sonny.
     
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    How many satellites from the 80's are collecting climate data? I can see where the older versions of data collectors would have been much less accurate and could have easily overstated the ice masses. Thanks for falling into the trap. My only question is, what took you so long?
     
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    I really think it is you that needs to re-check my logic.

    What I said was that the South Pole's ice is above average and the North Pole's Ice has grown to almost within the range of standard deviation. The "logic" of the folks claiming iminent disaster is that it is warming and, as a result, the Polar ice will be completely melted in the next 30 or so years.

    The ice, ice is so stupid, just can't seem to get on the program.

    If it is going to be completely gone in 30 years, it better speed up already. It's current progress is simply glacial.
     
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