Then you must hate obama and the dem party. Because that is exactly what they are trying to do.
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Planned Parenthood: False Allegations and the Clown Car
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Then you must hate obama and the dem party. Because that is exactly what they are trying to do.
Wry Catcher
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From Factcheck.org
"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."
"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.
"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"
"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."
"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"
"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."
Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video
Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes
other than passing out condoms at junior high schools, what good does it do?
Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown
Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?
If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.
Spot on. The fact is, if they really wanted to prevent unwanted pregnancy and the spread of disease they would support all efforts to reduce abortions and STD's; that they don't suggests a desire to control others and is an example of authoritarianism.
The only thing you actually discounted was the statement some doctor made about this may violate federal law. It doesn't but it is still pretty gruesome considering some of this "tissue" may actually resemble human body parts.
"The doctor" is a candidate for the Republican nomination for POTUS, and his quote is germane to the question of sales, to wit: "but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law."
Yes, thats all true. However we cannot ignore the FACT that PP exists to provide abortions. Their only product is fetal tissue. they are a fetal tissue farm. Legality and morality do cross paths.
No. PP exists to provide reproductive and health services. Only 3% of their services are abortion related. You can't stop misrepresenting what they do lest your argument crumble.
nice circle with colored pie slices. Care to source it?
Yes, it's a colored circle simpleton.
where did you get it, dingleberry? Just make it up?
Actually, the bronze age book of allegories and legends {bible} doesn't condemn abortion at all. The bible doesn't consider the fetus a life......
You're right, I should have said "the pro-birth cult interpretation of the bronze age book of fairy tales"...
But somehow that doesn't sound right
Wry Catcher
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From Factcheck.org
"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."
"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.
"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"
"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."
"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"
"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."
Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video
Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes
In a Republic people democratically elect proxies to act for them. This is the democratic republic given us by the Founders. If you don't like the process, leave. I'm sick of hearing from Libertarian ideologues who hate America and want to transform it into a dystopian anarchy.
Then you must hate obama and the dem party. Because that is exactly what they are trying to do.
You sure like to make unsupported allegations.
Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes
other than passing out condoms at junior high schools, what good does it do?
Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown
Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?
If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.
Spot on. The fact is, if they really wanted to prevent unwanted pregnancy and the spread of disease they would support all efforts to reduce abortions and STD's; that they don't suggests a desire to control others and is an example of authoritarianism.
total bullshit, wrong on all points. Conservatives want to limit unwanted pregnancy and disease. They also want people liable for their actions.
From Factcheck.org
"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."
"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.
"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"
"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."
"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"
"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."
Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video
Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes
In a Republic people democratically elect proxies to act for them. This is the democratic republic given us by the Founders. If you don't like the process, leave. I'm sick of hearing from Libertarian ideologues who hate America and want to transform it into a dystopian anarchy.
Then you must hate obama and the dem party. Because that is exactly what they are trying to do.
You sure like to make unsupported allegations.
a statement supported by facts is not an allegation. You assholes even want to punish non-compliant thoughts. You want to control every act of every person. Orwell predicted your foolishness and wrote accurately about it.
If PP was selling puppy organs their funding would have been cut off immediately. Or heaven forbid, lion organs from lions killed by hunters.
our society is very screwed up right now.
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other than passing out condoms at junior high schools, what good does it do?
Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown
Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?
If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.
Spot on. The fact is, if they really wanted to prevent unwanted pregnancy and the spread of disease they would support all efforts to reduce abortions and STD's; that they don't suggests a desire to control others and is an example of authoritarianism.
total bullshit, wrong on all points. Conservatives want to limit unwanted pregnancy and disease. They also want people liable for their actions.
Then why are conservatives opposed to the ACA and contraception?
And why aren't you holding conservatives liable for their actions of opposing the ACA and contraception?
Wry Catcher
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Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes
other than passing out condoms at junior high schools, what good does it do?
Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown
Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?
If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.
Education is the best program for preventing unintended pregnancy. Teaching morality and personal responisbility is much better for society that passing out condoms and telling kids "go to it, just put the rubber on first".
Straw man fallacy ^^^: My post clearly stated using condoms in a comprehensive health curriculum which would provide information on both the physical and emotional consequences of engaging in sexual relations.
Wry Catcher
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If PP was selling puppy organs their funding would have been cut off immediately. Or heaven forbid, lion organs from lions killed by hunters.
our society is very screwed up right now.
Fallacy of an Appeal to Emotion:
An attempt to manipulate an emotional response in place of a valid argument.
Why do you oppose people buying their own insurance and contraception?Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown
Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?
If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.
Spot on. The fact is, if they really wanted to prevent unwanted pregnancy and the spread of disease they would support all efforts to reduce abortions and STD's; that they don't suggests a desire to control others and is an example of authoritarianism.
total bullshit, wrong on all points. Conservatives want to limit unwanted pregnancy and disease. They also want people liable for their actions.
Then why are conservatives opposed to the ACA and contraception?
And why aren't you holding conservatives liable for their actions of opposing the ACA and contraception?
Why do you think people should be forced to pay for someone else's contraception?
Clearly it strikes at the heart of liberal hypocrisy, as is demonstrated by your pathetic attempt to downplay it's stark parallel relevance.If PP was selling puppy organs their funding would have been cut off immediately. Or heaven forbid, lion organs from lions killed by hunters.
our society is very screwed up right now.
Fallacy of an Appeal to Emotion:
An attempt to manipulate an emotional response in place of a valid argument.
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other than passing out condoms at junior high schools, what good does it do?
Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown
Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?
If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.
Spot on. The fact is, if they really wanted to prevent unwanted pregnancy and the spread of disease they would support all efforts to reduce abortions and STD's; that they don't suggests a desire to control others and is an example of authoritarianism.
total bullshit, wrong on all points. Conservatives want to limit unwanted pregnancy and disease. They also want people liable for their actions.
House Republicans and Title X They want to zero out federal funding for family planning.
Colorado contraception program was a huge success but the GOP is scrapping it US news The Guardian
Arkansas Republicans Vote To Eliminate Sex Ed Program In Public High Schools ThinkProgress
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Planned Parenthood and the barbarity of America
Washington Post ^ | Auust 1, 2015 | George Will
Executives of Planned Parenthood’s federally subsidized meat markets — your tax dollars at work — lack the courage of their convictions. They should drop the pretense of conducting a complex moral calculus about the organs they harvest from the babies they kill. First came the video showing a salad-nibbling, wine-sipping Planned Parenthood official explaining how “I’m going to basically crush below, I’m going to crush above” whatever organ (“heart, lung, liver”) is being harvested. Then the president of a Planned Parenthood chapter explained the happy side of harvesting: “For a lot of the women participating in the fetal tissue donation...
I like how you cut your quote just as it started to explain that the tissue is donated.
Too funny.
Isn't THAT why I have the rest of the story for low information voters to read?
It's not a baby. It's tissue, donated by the choice of the patient just as an organ donor would. Tissue that would otherwise be discarded. Do yo think it's pretty when they harvest tissue from an adult donor?
No, it's a baby, and an adult gives consent, a baby doesn't, and no matter how much you try, that BABY ISN'T it's mother, but its own being!
No. When tissue is harvested it's not a baby.
Like I said, it would be discarded. Rather than being discarded, consent is given to harvest the tissue for research purposes. Where do you think tissue comes from for such purposes?
You're right...it's a DEAD BABY,
And again WHAT RESEARCH, and after all these years of PP PROFITING on DEAD BABIES, what GOOD has come from it...what cure, what discovery?
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I like how you cut your quote just as it started to explain that the tissue is donated.
Too funny.
Isn't THAT why I have the rest of the story for low information voters to read?
It's not a baby. It's tissue, donated by the choice of the patient just as an organ donor would. Tissue that would otherwise be discarded. Do yo think it's pretty when they harvest tissue from an adult donor?
No, it's a baby, and an adult gives consent, a baby doesn't, and no matter how much you try, that BABY ISN'T it's mother, but its own being!
No. When tissue is harvested it's not a baby.
Like I said, it would be discarded. Rather than being discarded, consent is given to harvest the tissue for research purposes. Where do you think tissue comes from for such purposes?
You're right...it's a DEAD BABY,
And again WHAT RESEARCH, and after all these years of PP PROFITING on DEAD BABIES, what GOOD has come from it...what cure, what discovery?
I would like to know this as well.
or have the child and let someone adopt it.
Sure, if you're against abortion that's an option.
That's why it's called pro choice
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I like how you cut your quote just as it started to explain that the tissue is donated.
Too funny.
Isn't THAT why I have the rest of the story for low information voters to read?
It's not a baby. It's tissue, donated by the choice of the patient just as an organ donor would. Tissue that would otherwise be discarded. Do yo think it's pretty when they harvest tissue from an adult donor?
No, it's a baby, and an adult gives consent, a baby doesn't, and no matter how much you try, that BABY ISN'T it's mother, but its own being!
No. When tissue is harvested it's not a baby.
Like I said, it would be discarded. Rather than being discarded, consent is given to harvest the tissue for research purposes. Where do you think tissue comes from for such purposes?
You're right...it's a DEAD BABY,
And again WHAT RESEARCH, and after all these years of PP PROFITING on DEAD BABIES, what GOOD has come from it...what cure, what discovery?
Good question. Now go look it up. Arguing from a position of ignorance makes you appear foolish.
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Isn't THAT why I have the rest of the story for low information voters to read?
It's not a baby. It's tissue, donated by the choice of the patient just as an organ donor would. Tissue that would otherwise be discarded. Do yo think it's pretty when they harvest tissue from an adult donor?
No, it's a baby, and an adult gives consent, a baby doesn't, and no matter how much you try, that BABY ISN'T it's mother, but its own being!
No. When tissue is harvested it's not a baby.
Like I said, it would be discarded. Rather than being discarded, consent is given to harvest the tissue for research purposes. Where do you think tissue comes from for such purposes?
You're right...it's a DEAD BABY,
And again WHAT RESEARCH, and after all these years of PP PROFITING on DEAD BABIES, what GOOD has come from it...what cure, what discovery?
Good question. Now go look it up. Arguing from a position of ignorance makes you appear foolish.
I told you I had and there is nothing, as stated, 100+ posts ago, and you just continue the lies! I don't mind, I enjoy exposing liberal lies!
or have the child and let someone adopt it.
Sure, if you're against abortion that's an option.
That's why it's called pro choice
NIce spin attempt. pro-choice = pro-abortion. Everyone but you understands that.
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