Pew: Americans giving up on God, miracles

[turzovka]

I have no doubt that you could gather 70,000 idiots in one place in 1917. That isn't a miracle. Mass ignorance does not prove anything.

You are the one who looks like "mass ignorance."

You know nothing about Fatima because you do not want to get too close to the fire.

Go read about the two scientists who were there who doubted, but their written testimonies of what they witnessed casts no doubt.

Go read the English translation of the marxist Portuguese newspaper 'O Seculo' --- their journalists gathered there to mock the people and this big prophesied miracle. Not exactly the story they expected to write is what they ended up publishing (perhaps with great reluctance) two days later admitting to a supernatural manifestation.

But I know how the proud atheist works. "Out of sight, out of mind." It also often reminds me of the Barbra Streisand lyrics --- "...that which is too painful to remember, we simply choose to forget."

 

[Weatherman2020]

good news for me & Bill Maher....i'm guessin Dont Taz Me Bro is an atheist? or Mormon maybe?

Pew: Americans giving up on God, miracles - Tea Party News

I am not sure what to say any longer myself? People see no sign of God? Seriously? Only those who do not seriously seek to know can claim they see no sign. You want a sign? Go read in depth about Fatima 1917 and explain how 3 shepherd children can say on July 13 the Virgin Mary said a great sign will happen on October 13 for all to see and know my words are from God. Then go read about the miracle on Oct 13 that all 70,000 present saw for themselves and fell on their knees. Then tell me it's a hoax. - - - -- How many miracles does God have to perform before you believe? I guess it is always one more than already manifested.

PS -- 80% of those excuses for not believing or practicing were either selfish or lazy or of weak reason. In other words, pathetic. (imo)

Another way to look at it is if you WANT to see something badly enough your mind will be convinced it is so.

If you have a hammer in your hand , everything looks like a nail.

Thousands of years ago men believed the universe revolved around the earth. Why? Because men had an exaggerated view of their own importance in nature. Begrudgingly human beings have had to backpedal away from these ridiculous concepts that we are the center of the universe. The fantasy has been downsized. There are no miracles. Now it has been reduced to just an individual and his/her "personal" relationship with god. O how the mighty have fallen!

Keep it up! Smaller is better!

That has to rank as the most pathetic defense ever for someone who doubts God's existence. And, yes, I have heard it a hundred times before.

But do get back to me when you can offer a "scientific" explanation for what happened at Fatima on October 13, 1917. Don't forget... it did not "just happen." It was foretold 90 days in advance by three children none older than nine the exact day it would occur! But when 70,000 people on the rainiest of days saw this sun burst out and start to "dance" and shoot off multi colored rays and spin and defy cosmis laws --- and then turn blood red and charge the earth --- where 70,000 people started screaming --------------- well, so what hey? No big deal. Like the top poster said "it's a hoax."
And you and he and those like you are the ones who have the gall to laugh at us??? : D You have nothing to refute that.

I have no doubt that you could gather 70,000 idiots in one place in 1917. That isn't a miracle. Mass ignorance does not prove anything.

Dr Collins started his work as an athiest. He discovered the human genome and was awarded the Nobel Prize. After seeing the details of how life works he believes in God now.

ROCKVILLE, Maryland (CNN) -- I am a scientist and a believer, and I find no conflict between those world views.

As the director of the Human Genome Project, I have led a consortium of scientists to read out the 3.1 billion letters of the human genome, our own DNA instruction book. As a believer, I see DNA, the information molecule of all living things, as God's language, and the elegance and complexity of our own bodies and the rest of nature as a reflection of God's plan.

I did not always embrace these perspectives. As a graduate student in physical chemistry in the 1970s, I was an atheist, finding no reason to postulate the existence of any truths outside of mathematics, physics and chemistry. But then I went to medical school, and encountered life and death issues at the bedsides of my patients. Challenged by one of those patients, who asked "What do you believe, doctor?", I began searching for answers.

I had to admit that the science I loved so much was powerless to answer questions such as "What is the meaning of life?" "Why am I here?" "Why does mathematics work, anyway?" "If the universe had a beginning, who created it?" "Why are the physical constants in the universe so finely tuned to allow the possibility of complex life forms?" "Why do humans have a moral sense?" "What happens after we die?" (Watch Francis Collins discuss how he came to believe in God

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I had always assumed that faith was based on purely emotional and irrational arguments, and was astounded to discover, initially in the writings of the Oxford scholar C.S. Lewis and subsequently from many other sources, that one could build a very strong case for the plausibility of the existence of God on purely rational grounds. My earlier atheist's assertion that "I know there is no God" emerged as the least defensible. As the British writer G.K. Chesterton famously remarked, "Atheism is the most daring of all dogmas, for it is the assertion of a universal negative."

But reason alone cannot prove the existence of God. Faith is reason plus revelation, and the revelation part requires one to think with the spirit as well as with the mind. You have to hear the music, not just read the notes on the page. Ultimately, a leap of faith is required.

For me, that leap came in my 27th year, after a search to learn more about God's character led me to the person of Jesus Christ. Here was a person with remarkably strong historical evidence of his life, who made astounding statements about loving your neighbor, and whose claims about being God's son seemed to demand a decision about whether he was deluded or the real thing. After resisting for nearly two years, I found it impossible to go on living in such a state of uncertainty, and I became a follower of Jesus.

So, some have asked, doesn't your brain explode? Can you both pursue an understanding of how life works using the tools of genetics and molecular biology, and worship a creator God? Aren't evolution and faith in God incompatible? Can a scientist believe in miracles like the resurrection?

Actually, I find no conflict here, and neither apparently do the 40 percent of working scientists who claim to be believers. Yes, evolution by descent from a common ancestor is clearly true. If there was any lingering doubt about the evidence from the fossil record, the study of DNA provides the strongest possible proof of our relatedness to all other living things.

But why couldn't this be God's plan for creation? True, this is incompatible with an ultra-literal interpretation of Genesis, but long before Darwin, there were many thoughtful interpreters like St. Augustine, who found it impossible to be exactly sure what the meaning of that amazing creation story was supposed to be. So attaching oneself to such literal interpretations in the face of compelling scientific evidence pointing to the ancient age of Earth and the relatedness of living things by evolution seems neither wise nor necessary for the believer.

I have found there is a wonderful harmony in the complementary truths of science and faith. The God of the Bible is also the God of the genome. God can be found in the cathedral or in the laboratory. By investigating God's majestic and awesome creation, science can actually be a means of worship.

Collins: Why this scientist believes in God - CNN.com

 

[JakeStarkey]

We see wacky weatherman on the far side of the Godists and Huggy on the other far side.

Guys, both of you are rejected by mainstream beliefs.

Americans believe, 4 out of 5.

Coming from you that means I've been blessed again.
Go kiss a homosexuals ass and beg for forgiveness.

You are simply the flip side of the coin to Huggy. Neither of you represent by yourselves true American values. Whether it be far right socons or the anti-Godists, you are really both in the same corrall.

 

[Weatherman2020]

We see wacky weatherman on the far side of the Godists and Huggy on the other far side.

Guys, both of you are rejected by mainstream beliefs.

Americans believe, 4 out of 5.

Coming from you that means I've been blessed again.
Go kiss a homosexuals ass and beg for forgiveness.

You are simply the flip side of the coin to Huggy. Neither of you represent by yourselves true American values. Whether it be far right socons or the anti-Godists, you are really both in the same corrall.

Thank you!
I was afraid you'd say I was of this world.

 

[HUGGY]

Baloney! People don't need some wacky fantasy excuse to be good. That argument won't save your god.

I must have missed the gay pride, BLM and socialist trucks bringing in supplies and tractors alongside the Christian charity trucks.

FEMA is not a religious institution. Neither is the Red Cross.

The stupid, it burns!

FEMA is a piss poor government organization (your God) and

Christian Businessman Founded the Red Cross

The only problem with FEMA is that YOUR religious zealots in congress refuse to fund it.

It doesn't matter who founded the Red Cross. That is a "stupid" statement with no relevance to it's operation today..

Link where FEMA response has been hindered by budget cuts.

Again, where are the homosexual groups in Louisiana? Athiest groups? BLM? Where are those 18 wheelers and tractors and tons of supplies alongside the Christians?

Game Over.

I have invested in FEMA through my taxes. I also donate my time occasionally at my local food bank. I can't speak for any other kinds of Americans but I do know that your god doesn't own MY moral compass so blow it out your poop shooter.

The stupidity of religion cannot hide behind our country running to the aid of natural disaster victims using the excuse that we would do nothing if it not were for your god's grace.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I must have missed the gay pride, BLM and socialist trucks bringing in supplies and tractors alongside the Christian charity trucks.

FEMA is not a religious institution. Neither is the Red Cross.

The stupid, it burns!

FEMA is a piss poor government organization (your God) and

Christian Businessman Founded the Red Cross

The only problem with FEMA is that YOUR religious zealots in congress refuse to fund it.

It doesn't matter who founded the Red Cross. That is a "stupid" statement with no relevance to it's operation today..

Link where FEMA response has been hindered by budget cuts.

Again, where are the homosexual groups in Louisiana? Athiest groups? BLM? Where are those 18 wheelers and tractors and tons of supplies alongside the Christians?

Game Over.

I have invested in FEMA through my taxes. I also donate my time occasionally at my local food bank. I can't speak for any other kinds of Americans but I do know that your god doesn't own MY moral compass so blow it out your poop shooter.

The stupidity of religion cannot hide behind our country running to the aid of natural disaster victims using the excuse that we would do nothing if it not were for your god's grace.

Hilarious. I pay taxes so I don't have to volunteer to help anyone excuse.

You're a pathetic person and validate the greatness of Christianity, thanks.

 

[HUGGY]

I have no doubt that you could gather 70,000 idiots in one place in 1917. That isn't a miracle. Mass ignorance does not prove anything.

You are the one who looks like "mass ignorance."

You know nothing about Fatima because you do not want to get too close to the fire.

Go read about the two scientists who were there who doubted, but their written testimonies of what they witnessed casts no doubt.

Go read the English translation of the marxist Portuguese newspaper 'O Seculo' --- their journalists gathered there to mock the people and this big prophesied miracle. Not exactly the story they expected to write is what they ended up publishing (perhaps with great reluctance) two days later admitting to a supernatural manifestation.

But I know how the proud atheist works. "Out of sight, out of mind." It also often reminds me of the Barbra Streisand lyrics --- "...that which is too painful to remember, we simply choose to forget."

I have no interest in fighting your made up mind about the possibility of miracles. They simply do not exist. EVERYTHING that happened there could be explained by science. Obviously he proper scientific equipment was not in place.

PS. I hate Barbara.

 

[turzovka]

I have no interest in fighting your made up mind about the possibility of miracles. They simply do not exist. EVERYTHING that happened there could be explained by science

You have no interest because you have no answers.

Science has tried and it's all a bunch of baloney, whatever theories they have attempted.

You will not even believe the scientists there, their own observations. Nor will you believe the atheist marxist journalists who humbled themselves and reported the truth.

Those who are so sure they know there is no God are nothing more than in search of a means.to justify their preferred end.

 

[HUGGY]

FEMA is not a religious institution. Neither is the Red Cross.

The stupid, it burns!

FEMA is a piss poor government organization (your God) and

Christian Businessman Founded the Red Cross

The only problem with FEMA is that YOUR religious zealots in congress refuse to fund it.

It doesn't matter who founded the Red Cross. That is a "stupid" statement with no relevance to it's operation today..

Link where FEMA response has been hindered by budget cuts.

Again, where are the homosexual groups in Louisiana? Athiest groups? BLM? Where are those 18 wheelers and tractors and tons of supplies alongside the Christians?

Game Over.

I have invested in FEMA through my taxes. I also donate my time occasionally at my local food bank. I can't speak for any other kinds of Americans but I do know that your god doesn't own MY moral compass so blow it out your poop shooter.

The stupidity of religion cannot hide behind our country running to the aid of natural disaster victims using the excuse that we would do nothing if it not were for your god's grace.

Hilarious. I pay taxes so I don't have to volunteer to help anyone excuse.

You're a pathetic person and validate the greatness of Christianity, thanks.

Sorry I didn't abandon my responsibilities and my dogs and run off to LA from Seattle. I suppose YOUR association with some church is better than my support of FEMA and the Red Cross?

You are hysterical in how you view the world. A comprehensive multi state effort can only be accomplished by an organization large enough to do the job. Your church's individual 18 wheeler would just get in the way.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I have no doubt that you could gather 70,000 idiots in one place in 1917. That isn't a miracle. Mass ignorance does not prove anything.

You are the one who looks like "mass ignorance."

You know nothing about Fatima because you do not want to get too close to the fire.

Go read about the two scientists who were there who doubted, but their written testimonies of what they witnessed casts no doubt.

Go read the English translation of the marxist Portuguese newspaper 'O Seculo' --- their journalists gathered there to mock the people and this big prophesied miracle. Not exactly the story they expected to write is what they ended up publishing (perhaps with great reluctance) two days later admitting to a supernatural manifestation.

But I know how the proud atheist works. "Out of sight, out of mind." It also often reminds me of the Barbra Streisand lyrics --- "...that which is too painful to remember, we simply choose to forget."

I have no interest in fighting your made up mind about the possibility of miracles. They simply do not exist. EVERYTHING that happened there could be explained by science. Obviously he proper scientific equipment was not in place.

PS. I hate Barbara.

Tell us what science says about chaos naturally evolving into order.

 

[HUGGY]

I have no interest in fighting your made up mind about the possibility of miracles. They simply do not exist. EVERYTHING that happened there could be explained by science

You have no interest because you have no answers.

Science has tried and it's all a bunch of baloney, whatever theories they have attempted.

You will not even believe the scientists there, their own observations. Nor will you believe the atheist marxist journalists who humbled themselves and reported the truth.

Those who are so sure they know there is no God are nothing more in search of a means.to justify their preferred end.

The scientists have the same eyes as the rest of the observers. The right equipment would have sorted out the hallucination from fact.

I have no doubt the observers THOUGHT they witnessed a miracle. They were mistaken.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The stupid, it burns!

FEMA is a piss poor government organization (your God) and

Christian Businessman Founded the Red Cross

The only problem with FEMA is that YOUR religious zealots in congress refuse to fund it.

It doesn't matter who founded the Red Cross. That is a "stupid" statement with no relevance to it's operation today..

Link where FEMA response has been hindered by budget cuts.

Again, where are the homosexual groups in Louisiana? Athiest groups? BLM? Where are those 18 wheelers and tractors and tons of supplies alongside the Christians?

Game Over.

I have invested in FEMA through my taxes. I also donate my time occasionally at my local food bank. I can't speak for any other kinds of Americans but I do know that your god doesn't own MY moral compass so blow it out your poop shooter.

The stupidity of religion cannot hide behind our country running to the aid of natural disaster victims using the excuse that we would do nothing if it not were for your god's grace.

Hilarious. I pay taxes so I don't have to volunteer to help anyone excuse.

You're a pathetic person and validate the greatness of Christianity, thanks.

Sorry I didn't abandon my responsibilities and my dogs and run off to LA from Seattle. I suppose YOUR association with some church is better than my support of FEMA and the Red Cross?

You are hysterical in how you view the world. A comprehensive multi state effort can only be accomplished by an organization large enough to do the job. Your church's individual 18 wheeler would just get in the way.

Yeah, too bad their are no homeless or hungry in Seattle.

All those Christians feeding and housing those people are crazy. No gay or leftist organization gets fooled.

 

[HUGGY]

I have no doubt that you could gather 70,000 idiots in one place in 1917. That isn't a miracle. Mass ignorance does not prove anything.

You are the one who looks like "mass ignorance."

You know nothing about Fatima because you do not want to get too close to the fire.

Go read about the two scientists who were there who doubted, but their written testimonies of what they witnessed casts no doubt.

Go read the English translation of the marxist Portuguese newspaper 'O Seculo' --- their journalists gathered there to mock the people and this big prophesied miracle. Not exactly the story they expected to write is what they ended up publishing (perhaps with great reluctance) two days later admitting to a supernatural manifestation.

But I know how the proud atheist works. "Out of sight, out of mind." It also often reminds me of the Barbra Streisand lyrics --- "...that which is too painful to remember, we simply choose to forget."

I have no interest in fighting your made up mind about the possibility of miracles. They simply do not exist. EVERYTHING that happened there could be explained by science. Obviously he proper scientific equipment was not in place.

PS. I hate Barbara.

Tell us what science says about chaos naturally evolving into order.

Gravity. Collisions eventually accumulate enough mass which feeds the attraction of even more mass..etc...etc

The Moon adds another element of gravital attraction providing for, with the addition of liquid water, tides, weather and LIFE.

There would be no one to recognize any of what we are discussing had the chaos not evolved US.

 

[turzovka]

The scientists have the same eyes as the rest of the observers. The right equipment would have sorted out the hallucination from fact.

I have no doubt the observers THOUGHT they witnessed a miracle. They were mistaken.

Yes, of course. They "thought" they witnessed something supernatural. Thanks for that very "scientific" refutation.

 

[HUGGY]

The only problem with FEMA is that YOUR religious zealots in congress refuse to fund it.

It doesn't matter who founded the Red Cross. That is a "stupid" statement with no relevance to it's operation today..

Link where FEMA response has been hindered by budget cuts.

Again, where are the homosexual groups in Louisiana? Athiest groups? BLM? Where are those 18 wheelers and tractors and tons of supplies alongside the Christians?

Game Over.

I have invested in FEMA through my taxes. I also donate my time occasionally at my local food bank. I can't speak for any other kinds of Americans but I do know that your god doesn't own MY moral compass so blow it out your poop shooter.

The stupidity of religion cannot hide behind our country running to the aid of natural disaster victims using the excuse that we would do nothing if it not were for your god's grace.

Hilarious. I pay taxes so I don't have to volunteer to help anyone excuse.

You're a pathetic person and validate the greatness of Christianity, thanks.

Sorry I didn't abandon my responsibilities and my dogs and run off to LA from Seattle. I suppose YOUR association with some church is better than my support of FEMA and the Red Cross?

You are hysterical in how you view the world. A comprehensive multi state effort can only be accomplished by an organization large enough to do the job. Your church's individual 18 wheeler would just get in the way.

Yeah, too bad their are no homeless or hungry in Seattle.

All those Christians feeding and housing those people are crazy. No gay or leftist organization gets fooled.

I see you missed the part where I volunteer at my local food bank and have stood up at the city/county councils and spoke on their behalf at the request of the Ballard Food Bank I volunteered at.

What does MY efforts and this discussion have to do with gays and leftists? I have seen both types donating their time at the same places I do. I also drove a truck occasionally helping facilitate distributing the food items.

If we care we do what we can. It has nothing to do with being deceived into believing in a bunch of nonsense.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I have no doubt that you could gather 70,000 idiots in one place in 1917. That isn't a miracle. Mass ignorance does not prove anything.

You are the one who looks like "mass ignorance."

You know nothing about Fatima because you do not want to get too close to the fire.

Go read about the two scientists who were there who doubted, but their written testimonies of what they witnessed casts no doubt.

Go read the English translation of the marxist Portuguese newspaper 'O Seculo' --- their journalists gathered there to mock the people and this big prophesied miracle. Not exactly the story they expected to write is what they ended up publishing (perhaps with great reluctance) two days later admitting to a supernatural manifestation.

But I know how the proud atheist works. "Out of sight, out of mind." It also often reminds me of the Barbra Streisand lyrics --- "...that which is too painful to remember, we simply choose to forget."

I have no interest in fighting your made up mind about the possibility of miracles. They simply do not exist. EVERYTHING that happened there could be explained by science. Obviously he proper scientific equipment was not in place.

PS. I hate Barbara.

Tell us what science says about chaos naturally evolving into order.

Gravity. Collisions eventually accumulate enough mass which feeds the attraction of even more mass..etc...etc

The Moon adds another element of gravital attraction providing for, with the addition of liquid water, tides, weather and LIFE.

There would be no one to recognize any of what we are discussing had the chaos not evolved US.

Oops, you just created matter and energy out of nothing.

Try again.

Then we can discuss the life part.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Link where FEMA response has been hindered by budget cuts.

Again, where are the homosexual groups in Louisiana? Athiest groups? BLM? Where are those 18 wheelers and tractors and tons of supplies alongside the Christians?

Game Over.

I have invested in FEMA through my taxes. I also donate my time occasionally at my local food bank. I can't speak for any other kinds of Americans but I do know that your god doesn't own MY moral compass so blow it out your poop shooter.

The stupidity of religion cannot hide behind our country running to the aid of natural disaster victims using the excuse that we would do nothing if it not were for your god's grace.

Hilarious. I pay taxes so I don't have to volunteer to help anyone excuse.

You're a pathetic person and validate the greatness of Christianity, thanks.

Sorry I didn't abandon my responsibilities and my dogs and run off to LA from Seattle. I suppose YOUR association with some church is better than my support of FEMA and the Red Cross?

You are hysterical in how you view the world. A comprehensive multi state effort can only be accomplished by an organization large enough to do the job. Your church's individual 18 wheeler would just get in the way.

Yeah, too bad their are no homeless or hungry in Seattle.

All those Christians feeding and housing those people are crazy. No gay or leftist organization gets fooled.

I see you missed the part where I volunteer at my local food bank and have stood up at the city/county councils and spoke on their behalf at the request of the Ballard Food Bank I volunteered at.

What does MY efforts and this discussion have to do with gays and leftists? I have seen both types donating their time at the same places I do. I also drove a truck occasionally helping facilitate distributing the food items.

If we care we do what we can. It has nothing to do with being deceived into believing in a bunch of nonsense.

Because non Christians don't do 1% of what Christians do to help those in need.

While you were helping at a food bank I was in the jungles of Southeast Asia, while you were speaking to the council I was in my 4th term on the council, while you drive the truck I donated a truck.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"Because non Christians don't do 1% of what Christians do to help those in need" rivals Correll's noted stupidity.

I know personally many non-believers who do a lot of good works and many believers who do not.

Weatherman is merely showing why socons are generally disliked by the rest of Christianity.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

good news for me & Bill Maher....i'm guessin Dont Taz Me Bro is an atheist? or Mormon maybe?

Pew: Americans giving up on God, miracles - Tea Party News

I am not sure what to say any longer myself? People see no sign of God? Seriously? Only those who do not seriously seek to know can claim they see no sign. You want a sign? Go read in depth about Fatima 1917 and explain how 3 shepherd children can say on July 13 the Virgin Mary said a great sign will happen on October 13 for all to see and know my words are from God. Then go read about the miracle on Oct 13 that all 70,000 present saw for themselves and fell on their knees. Then tell me it's a hoax. - - - -- How many miracles does God have to perform before you believe? I guess it is always one more than already manifested.

PS -- 80% of those excuses for not believing or practicing were either selfish or lazy or of weak reason. In other words, pathetic. (imo)

Seriously.

There is no ‘god’ as perceived by theists.

‘God’ can exist as a philosophy, or a metaphor for the collective goodness of humankind, or as a positive influence in one’s life.

But there is no extraterrestrial omnipotent deity that hears prayers, intercedes on behalf of mortals, or issues edicts of religious dogma all must obey lest transgressors suffer some sort of ‘punishment’ after death.

Religion and ‘god’ are creations of man.

 

[Weatherman2020]

"Because non Christians don't do 1% of what Christians do to help those in need" rivals Correll's noted stupidity.

I know personally many non-believers who do a lot of good works and many believers who do not.

Weatherman is merely showing why socons are generally disliked by the rest of Christianity.

Yeah, they sign petitions and wear cause t shirts.