Peter Wehner served 3 GOP admins: Everything Trump touches rots. The worst is yet to come.

[Billy_Kinetta]

The Full-Spectrum Corruption of Donald Trump

an incredible op ed from Peter Wehner. But it's not free.

The Last Temptation

Trump’s background and beliefs could hardly be more incompatible with traditional Christian models of life and leadership. Trump’s past political stances (he once supported the right to partial-birth abortion), his character (he has bragged about sexually assaulting women), and even his language (he introduced the words pussy and shithole into presidential discourse) would more naturally lead religious conservatives toward exorcism than alliance. This is a man who has cruelly publicized his infidelities, made disturbing sexual comments about his elder daughter, and boasted about the size of his penis on the debate stage. His lawyer reportedly arranged a $130,000 payment to a porn star to dissuade her from disclosing an alleged affair. Yet religious conservatives who once blanched at PG-13 public standards now yawn at such NC-17 maneuvers. We are a long way from The Book of Virtues.

According to Jerry Falwell Jr., evangelicals have “found their dream president,” which says something about the current quality of evangelical dreams.

Falwell and Franklin Graham followed Trump’s lead in supporting Judge Roy Moore in the December Senate election in Alabama. These are religious leaders who have spent their entire adult lives bemoaning cultural and moral decay. Yet they publicly backed a candidate who was repeatedly accused of sexual misconduct, including with a 14-year-old girl.

But the timing and emphasis of evangelical responses have contributed to a broad sense that evangelical political engagement is negative, censorious, and oppositional. This funneled focus has also created the damaging impression that Christians are obsessed with sex. Much of the secular public hears from Christians only on issues of sexuality—from contraceptive mandates to gay rights to transgender bathroom usage.

Moreover, in making their case on cultural decay and decline, evangelicals have, in some highly visible cases, chosen the wrong nightmares. Most notable, they made a crucial error in picking evolution as a main point of contention with modernity. “The contest between evolution and Christianity is a duel to the death,” William Jennings Bryan argued. “If evolution wins … Christianity goes—not suddenly, of course, but gradually, for the two cannot stand together.” Many people of his background believed this. But their resistance was futile, for one incontrovertible reason: Evolution is a fact. It is objectively true based on overwhelming evidence. By denying this, evangelicals made their entire view of reality suspect. They were insisting, in effect, that the Christian faith requires a flight from reason.

Evangelicals Are Divided on Trump After Charlottesville
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Regardless of when Trump leaves office, regardless of his damage to this country, he will have damaged the Evangelicals even more.

Peter Wehner, who worked for three GOP administrations was raised evangelical. He said Republicans have always stood for ethics, morality and leadership. Remember when Character mattered? Decency, integrity? There is no longer any interest in honor.

After the "magical creation" fight against evolution, many Evangelicals were seen as wacko and hating science. And now that they support such a man and everything he stands for, how are things going to be moving forward for their religion.

I don't think the Evangelicals supporting Trump have figured out how much Trump has hurt their religion in the eyes of the American people. They will forever be tied to supporting what Trump stands for. Defining what Trump stands for will test what Evangelicals say they stand for.

Peter who?

If nothing else, you people give them no choice. They cannot possibly support you.

Ergo ...

They cannot possibly support a party that gives women the right to choose. You can choose to carry your child to term if the idea of abortion offends you.

They cannot possibly support a party that treats gays as equal. Even though Jesus told his followers to treat others the way they would like to be treated.

According to Bible, God gave humans free will to choose their own path. Our choices will determine whether we will ascend into heaven.

Evangelicals want to strip us of our God given free will and force all of us to live according to their beliefs, even though they’re less than 25% of the population. So much for the First Amendment and God given free will.

Consider that 13% of the women seeking abortions identify as evangelicals. Hypocrisy all the way.

in the gospel Jesus states that one cannot serve two masters, yet the Evangelicals that support Trump desire to serve multiple masters.

If these people truly believe the book of faith they claim, then they will understand that they will eventually be burning in Hell for their open & vocal support of such a demonic, Satanic, false prophet.

IMO those that are seriously faithful should never openly endorse, or openly support ANY political candidate. The mixing of religious faith & politics is an invitation to ruin.

You are right, there needs to be a strong division between State and Church.

Then you don't believe State should be making laws concerning Religion?

Americans should have the common sense to understand to keep their religion out of politics & to keep their politics out of religion but too many are too stupid to do so.

This demonstrates that too many Americans are void of any real measure of common sense.

Freedom of speech prevents the domination of the State by religion.

Freedom of expression prevents the domination of religion by the State.

These fundamentals were created to protect each from the other. People need to grow up and learn to live with both.

 

[caddo kid]

in the gospel Jesus states that one cannot serve two masters, yet the Evangelicals that support Trump desire to serve multiple masters.

If these people truly believe the book of faith they claim, then they will understand that they will eventually be burning in Hell for their open & vocal support of such a demonic, Satanic, false prophet.

IMO those that are seriously faithful should never openly endorse, or openly support ANY political candidate. The mixing of religious faith & politics is an invitation to ruin.

You are right, there needs to be a strong division between State and Church.

Then you don't believe State should be making laws concerning Religion?

Americans should have the common sense to understand to keep their religion out of politics & to keep their politics out of religion but too many are too stupid to do so.

Odd

that's what the First Amendment stated BEFORE they took the Danbury Letter as an edict, instead of a comment in a personal letter.

nothing odd about keeping politics & religion as far away from each other as possible; it makes perfect sense to do so.

 

[Auld Phart]

in the gospel Jesus states that one cannot serve two masters, yet the Evangelicals that support Trump desire to serve multiple masters.

If these people truly believe the book of faith they claim, then they will understand that they will eventually be burning in Hell for their open & vocal support of such a demonic, Satanic, false prophet.

IMO those that are seriously faithful should never openly endorse, or openly support ANY political candidate. The mixing of religious faith & politics is an invitation to ruin.

You are right, there needs to be a strong division between State and Church.

Then you don't believe State should be making laws concerning Religion?

Americans should have the common sense to understand to keep their religion out of politics & to keep their politics out of religion but too many are too stupid to do so.

Odd

that's what the First Amendment stated BEFORE they took the Danbury Letter as an edict, instead of a comment in a personal letter.

nothing odd about keeping politics & religion as far away from each other as possible; it makes perfect sense to do so.

Then stop State from making laws concerning Religion.

(Or, don't you believe in Freedom of Speech?)

 

[Penelope]

You are right, there needs to be a strong division between State and Church.

Then you don't believe State should be making laws concerning Religion?

Americans should have the common sense to understand to keep their religion out of politics & to keep their politics out of religion but too many are too stupid to do so.

Odd

that's what the First Amendment stated BEFORE they took the Danbury Letter as an edict, instead of a comment in a personal letter.

nothing odd about keeping politics & religion as far away from each other as possible; it makes perfect sense to do so.

Then stop State from making laws concerning Religion.

(Or, don't you believe in Freedom of Speech?)

How about freedom of religion??

 

[Dragonlady]

in the gospel Jesus states that one cannot serve two masters, yet the Evangelicals that support Trump desire to serve multiple masters.

If these people truly believe the book of faith they claim, then they will understand that they will eventually be burning in Hell for their open & vocal support of such a demonic, Satanic, false prophet.

IMO those that are seriously faithful should never openly endorse, or openly support ANY political candidate. The mixing of religious faith & politics is an invitation to ruin.

You are right, there needs to be a strong division between State and Church.

Then you don't believe State should be making laws concerning Religion?

Not according to the Constitution.

And church’s should not be imposing their beliefs on government or asking the government to create laws based on their religious beliefs. So laws exempting religions from public accommodations laws, violate that tenet.

 

[Auld Phart]

Then you don't believe State should be making laws concerning Religion?

Americans should have the common sense to understand to keep their religion out of politics & to keep their politics out of religion but too many are too stupid to do so.

Odd

that's what the First Amendment stated BEFORE they took the Danbury Letter as an edict, instead of a comment in a personal letter.

nothing odd about keeping politics & religion as far away from each other as possible; it makes perfect sense to do so.

Then stop State from making laws concerning Religion.

(Or, don't you believe in Freedom of Speech?)

How about freedom of religion??

What about it?

aren't certain groups attempting, and in some cases succeeding, in limiting where religion can be practiced?

 

[Auld Phart]

in the gospel Jesus states that one cannot serve two masters, yet the Evangelicals that support Trump desire to serve multiple masters.

If these people truly believe the book of faith they claim, then they will understand that they will eventually be burning in Hell for their open & vocal support of such a demonic, Satanic, false prophet.

IMO those that are seriously faithful should never openly endorse, or openly support ANY political candidate. The mixing of religious faith & politics is an invitation to ruin.

You are right, there needs to be a strong division between State and Church.

Then you don't believe State should be making laws concerning Religion?

Not according to the Constitution.

And church’s should not be imposing their beliefs on government or asking the government to create laws based on their religious beliefs. So laws exempting religions from public accommodations laws, violate that tenet.

Not according to the Constitution.

The Constitution, or the Supreme Court?

So laws exempting religions from public accommodations laws, violate that tenet.

how so?

 

[Dragonlady]

in the gospel Jesus states that one cannot serve two masters, yet the Evangelicals that support Trump desire to serve multiple masters.

If these people truly believe the book of faith they claim, then they will understand that they will eventually be burning in Hell for their open & vocal support of such a demonic, Satanic, false prophet.

IMO those that are seriously faithful should never openly endorse, or openly support ANY political candidate. The mixing of religious faith & politics is an invitation to ruin.

You are right, there needs to be a strong division between State and Church.

Then you don't believe State should be making laws concerning Religion?

Not according to the Constitution.

And church’s should not be imposing their beliefs on government or asking the government to create laws based on their religious beliefs. So laws exempting religions from public accommodations laws, violate that tenet.

Not according to the Constitution.

The Constitution, or the Supreme Court?

So laws exempting religions from public accommodations laws, violate that tenet.

how so?

Let’s talk about Warren Jeffs. Jeffs was the head of a gang of pedophiles who hid behind “freedom of religion” to systematically rape and abuse the women and girls in their sect.

Jeffs and the other older male leaders of this group were “marrying” girls as young as 11. Young men were banished from the compound as soon of they reached puberty to reduce competetion for the girls. While it was widely known this was going on, authorities did nothing to stop it.

In regards to the boys, they had lived and worked in the compound all of their lives and were poorly equipped for life in the real world. They were referred to as the “Lost Boys”. They were just as abused as well, although their abuse didn’t amount to sexual slavery.

Are you saying that the rights of these young women to “security and safety of their person” should be subjugated to the right of freedom of religion of Jeffs and his followers?

There are laws on the books which make blood sacrifice illegal. Why is it OK to legal protect the lives of helpless animals from religious zealots, but not children?

 

[Penelope]

Americans should have the common sense to understand to keep their religion out of politics & to keep their politics out of religion but too many are too stupid to do so.

Odd

that's what the First Amendment stated BEFORE they took the Danbury Letter as an edict, instead of a comment in a personal letter.

nothing odd about keeping politics & religion as far away from each other as possible; it makes perfect sense to do so.

Then stop State from making laws concerning Religion.

(Or, don't you believe in Freedom of Speech?)

How about freedom of religion??

What about it?

aren't certain groups attempting, and in some cases succeeding, in limiting where religion can be practiced?

Consider atheism a religion. They do not want it pushed in their face , put it in the church and home where it belongs, take it with you in your mind. The ten commandments is a farce, and to even put them on public ground is a farce as they are not real. Read the OT.

 

[Penelope]

The Apotheosis of Washington

 

[Penelope]

The lawgivers reliefs in the House, Moses is the center. Only one with a full face, Moses, when were they put there , after Israel declared themselves a state. His laws I do not follow yet there is not a Jesus relief.

the reliefs plaques of the house - Google Search:

I do not follow the laws of Moses and neither do most jews, if they can call themselves jews.
The Hasidic are the closet to jews, but the FGM is against the law, but
the sucking circumcision is not. How great for grown rabbis to suck on an infants penis.

 

[Auld Phart]

Odd

that's what the First Amendment stated BEFORE they took the Danbury Letter as an edict, instead of a comment in a personal letter.

nothing odd about keeping politics & religion as far away from each other as possible; it makes perfect sense to do so.

Then stop State from making laws concerning Religion.

(Or, don't you believe in Freedom of Speech?)

How about freedom of religion??

What about it?

aren't certain groups attempting, and in some cases succeeding, in limiting where religion can be practiced?

Consider atheism a religion. They do not want it pushed in their face , put it in the church and home where it belongs, take it with you in your mind. The ten commandments is a farce, and to even put them on public ground is a farce as they are not real. Read the OT.

put it in the church and home where it belongs,

kinda negates the whole 'Freedom of Religion thing, doesn't it?

 

[Auld Phart]

in the gospel Jesus states that one cannot serve two masters, yet the Evangelicals that support Trump desire to serve multiple masters.

If these people truly believe the book of faith they claim, then they will understand that they will eventually be burning in Hell for their open & vocal support of such a demonic, Satanic, false prophet.

IMO those that are seriously faithful should never openly endorse, or openly support ANY political candidate. The mixing of religious faith & politics is an invitation to ruin.

You are right, there needs to be a strong division between State and Church.

Then you don't believe State should be making laws concerning Religion?

Not according to the Constitution.

And church’s should not be imposing their beliefs on government or asking the government to create laws based on their religious beliefs. So laws exempting religions from public accommodations laws, violate that tenet.

Not according to the Constitution.

The Constitution, or the Supreme Court?

So laws exempting religions from public accommodations laws, violate that tenet.

how so?

Let’s talk about Warren Jeffs. Jeffs was the head of a gang of pedophiles who hid behind “freedom of religion” to systematically rape and abuse the women and girls in their sect.

Jeffs and the other older male leaders of this group were “marrying” girls as young as 11. Young men were banished from the compound as soon of they reached puberty to reduce competetion for the girls. While it was widely known this was going on, authorities did nothing to stop it.

In regards to the boys, they had lived and worked in the compound all of their lives and were poorly equipped for life in the real world. They were referred to as the “Lost Boys”. They were just as abused as well, although their abuse didn’t amount to sexual slavery.

Are you saying that the rights of these young women to “security and safety of their person” should be subjugated to the right of freedom of religion of Jeffs and his followers?

There are laws on the books which make blood sacrifice illegal. Why is it OK to legal protect the lives of helpless animals from religious zealots, but not children?

(you may not realize this, but there are laws against pedophilia. Hiding it behind the mask of religion doesn't make it legal)

 

[Penelope]

nothing odd about keeping politics & religion as far away from each other as possible; it makes perfect sense to do so.

Then stop State from making laws concerning Religion.

(Or, don't you believe in Freedom of Speech?)

How about freedom of religion??

What about it?

aren't certain groups attempting, and in some cases succeeding, in limiting where religion can be practiced?

Consider atheism a religion. They do not want it pushed in their face , put it in the church and home where it belongs, take it with you in your mind. The ten commandments is a farce, and to even put them on public ground is a farce as they are not real. Read the OT.

put it in the church and home where it belongs,

kinda negates the whole 'Freedom of Religion thing, doesn't it?

No it does not. NO one stops you from going to church or praying in your home. You are allowed to believe in any supreme being there might be, even if some of you worship Trump.

 

[Dragonlady]

You are right, there needs to be a strong division between State and Church.

Then you don't believe State should be making laws concerning Religion?

Not according to the Constitution.

And church’s should not be imposing their beliefs on government or asking the government to create laws based on their religious beliefs. So laws exempting religions from public accommodations laws, violate that tenet.

Not according to the Constitution.

The Constitution, or the Supreme Court?

So laws exempting religions from public accommodations laws, violate that tenet.

how so?

Let’s talk about Warren Jeffs. Jeffs was the head of a gang of pedophiles who hid behind “freedom of religion” to systematically rape and abuse the women and girls in their sect.

Jeffs and the other older male leaders of this group were “marrying” girls as young as 11. Young men were banished from the compound as soon of they reached puberty to reduce competetion for the girls. While it was widely known this was going on, authorities did nothing to stop it.

In regards to the boys, they had lived and worked in the compound all of their lives and were poorly equipped for life in the real world. They were referred to as the “Lost Boys”. They were just as abused as well, although their abuse didn’t amount to sexual slavery.

Are you saying that the rights of these young women to “security and safety of their person” should be subjugated to the right of freedom of religion of Jeffs and his followers?

There are laws on the books which make blood sacrifice illegal. Why is it OK to legal protect the lives of helpless animals from religious zealots, but not children?

(you may not realize this, but there are laws against pedophilia. Hiding it behind the mask of religion doesn't make it legal)

And yet Jeffs was opening sexually assaulting girls as young as 11 for years with impunity.

 

[Auld Phart]

Then you don't believe State should be making laws concerning Religion?

Not according to the Constitution.

And church’s should not be imposing their beliefs on government or asking the government to create laws based on their religious beliefs. So laws exempting religions from public accommodations laws, violate that tenet.

Not according to the Constitution.

The Constitution, or the Supreme Court?

So laws exempting religions from public accommodations laws, violate that tenet.

how so?

Let’s talk about Warren Jeffs. Jeffs was the head of a gang of pedophiles who hid behind “freedom of religion” to systematically rape and abuse the women and girls in their sect.

Jeffs and the other older male leaders of this group were “marrying” girls as young as 11. Young men were banished from the compound as soon of they reached puberty to reduce competetion for the girls. While it was widely known this was going on, authorities did nothing to stop it.

In regards to the boys, they had lived and worked in the compound all of their lives and were poorly equipped for life in the real world. They were referred to as the “Lost Boys”. They were just as abused as well, although their abuse didn’t amount to sexual slavery.

Are you saying that the rights of these young women to “security and safety of their person” should be subjugated to the right of freedom of religion of Jeffs and his followers?

There are laws on the books which make blood sacrifice illegal. Why is it OK to legal protect the lives of helpless animals from religious zealots, but not children?

(you may not realize this, but there are laws against pedophilia. Hiding it behind the mask of religion doesn't make it legal)

And yet Jeffs was opening sexually assaulting girls as young as 11 for years with impunity.

sounds like the laws fault, not religions

 

[deanrd]

The Full-Spectrum Corruption of Donald Trump

an incredible op ed from Peter Wehner. But it's not free.

The Last Temptation

Trump’s background and beliefs could hardly be more incompatible with traditional Christian models of life and leadership. Trump’s past political stances (he once supported the right to partial-birth abortion), his character (he has bragged about sexually assaulting women), and even his language (he introduced the words pussy and shithole into presidential discourse) would more naturally lead religious conservatives toward exorcism than alliance. This is a man who has cruelly publicized his infidelities, made disturbing sexual comments about his elder daughter, and boasted about the size of his penis on the debate stage. His lawyer reportedly arranged a $130,000 payment to a porn star to dissuade her from disclosing an alleged affair. Yet religious conservatives who once blanched at PG-13 public standards now yawn at such NC-17 maneuvers. We are a long way from The Book of Virtues.

According to Jerry Falwell Jr., evangelicals have “found their dream president,” which says something about the current quality of evangelical dreams.

Falwell and Franklin Graham followed Trump’s lead in supporting Judge Roy Moore in the December Senate election in Alabama. These are religious leaders who have spent their entire adult lives bemoaning cultural and moral decay. Yet they publicly backed a candidate who was repeatedly accused of sexual misconduct, including with a 14-year-old girl.

But the timing and emphasis of evangelical responses have contributed to a broad sense that evangelical political engagement is negative, censorious, and oppositional. This funneled focus has also created the damaging impression that Christians are obsessed with sex. Much of the secular public hears from Christians only on issues of sexuality—from contraceptive mandates to gay rights to transgender bathroom usage.

Moreover, in making their case on cultural decay and decline, evangelicals have, in some highly visible cases, chosen the wrong nightmares. Most notable, they made a crucial error in picking evolution as a main point of contention with modernity. “The contest between evolution and Christianity is a duel to the death,” William Jennings Bryan argued. “If evolution wins … Christianity goes—not suddenly, of course, but gradually, for the two cannot stand together.” Many people of his background believed this. But their resistance was futile, for one incontrovertible reason: Evolution is a fact. It is objectively true based on overwhelming evidence. By denying this, evangelicals made their entire view of reality suspect. They were insisting, in effect, that the Christian faith requires a flight from reason.

Evangelicals Are Divided on Trump After Charlottesville
-----------------
Regardless of when Trump leaves office, regardless of his damage to this country, he will have damaged the Evangelicals even more.

Peter Wehner, who worked for three GOP administrations was raised evangelical. He said Republicans have always stood for ethics, morality and leadership. Remember when Character mattered? Decency, integrity? There is no longer any interest in honor.

After the "magical creation" fight against evolution, many Evangelicals were seen as wacko and hating science. And now that they support such a man and everything he stands for, how are things going to be moving forward for their religion.

I don't think the Evangelicals supporting Trump have figured out how much Trump has hurt their religion in the eyes of the American people. They will forever be tied to supporting what Trump stands for. Defining what Trump stands for will test what Evangelicals say they stand for.

Peter who?

If nothing else, you people give them no choice. They cannot possibly support you.

Ergo ...

They cannot possibly support a party that gives women the right to choose. You can choose to carry your child to term if the idea of abortion offends you.

They cannot possibly support a party that treats gays as equal. Even though Jesus told his followers to treat others the way they would like to be treated.

According to Bible, God gave humans free will to choose their own path. Our choices will determine whether we will ascend into heaven.

Evangelicals want to strip us of our God given free will and force all of us to live according to their beliefs, even though they’re less than 25% of the population. So much for the First Amendment and God given free will.

Consider that 13% of the women seeking abortions identify as evangelicals. Hypocrisy all the way.

Totally true. Every word.

 

[deanrd]

Trump is having a huge dinner at the White House with Evangelical leaders.

Donald Trump Hosting Evangelical Leaders at the White House | Breitbart

What do you think is going through his mind when he bows his head in pretend prayer?

He is thinking about grabbing the pussy of the lady in the red dress

Nah, she's probably married.

Oh wait.............

 

[caddo kid]

Trump is having a huge dinner at the White House with Evangelical leaders.

Donald Trump Hosting Evangelical Leaders at the White House | Breitbart

What do you think is going through his mind when he bows his head in pretend prayer?

He is thinking about grabbing the pussy of the lady in the red dress

Nah, she's probably married.

Oh wait.............

oh, stop it; I mean telling the truth. You know that Trump's evangelical flock will cry if they find out he cheated on (at least) three wives (that we know of). Oh, that's right; those evangelicals don't care if Trump is an adulterer.

I wonder if Trump ever said, "I did try and fvck her. She was married" to Melania, like during an extremely rare moment when Trump actually told someone the truth, about anything?

 

[Dragonlady]

Americans should have the common sense to understand to keep their religion out of politics & to keep their politics out of religion but too many are too stupid to do so.

Odd

that's what the First Amendment stated BEFORE they took the Danbury Letter as an edict, instead of a comment in a personal letter.

nothing odd about keeping politics & religion as far away from each other as possible; it makes perfect sense to do so.

Then stop State from making laws concerning Religion.

(Or, don't you believe in Freedom of Speech?)

How about freedom of religion??

What about it?

aren't certain groups attempting, and in some cases succeeding, in limiting where religion can be practiced?

No. They’re keeping religion out of government run institutions. Like schools.

I remember a time when my non-Christian classmates left the class and stood in the hallways while we recited the Lord’s Prayer every morning. I go to church to pray.