Pelosi And Schumer Say No To Our Security, Then Turn Around And Pledge $5 Billion To Mexico

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Are you seriously telling me that you had no idea that there are Democrat out there screaming that it would be immoral to build a wall on our Southern border.

If that is true, then you aren't really paying attention to the discussion.

And no the wall wouldn't solve everythign, but it would solve 90+% of the problem. Take the Israel/Egypt wall, for example. Once completed there have been ZERO cases of people getting across that border illegally.

I don't have to pay attention to what the Dems are saying--I'm an Independent.

And since you and I are both basing our opinions on what we THINK will happen in the future, there is no way of knowing or any way to end this argument.
Is there?

Oh I think we know exactly what the future holds. Congress is NEVER going to fund that fucking wall. Neither Republicans nor Democrats in Congress want it. The fact that they are in agreement on that should tell us all something.

Possibly that the Wall isn't that great an idea?
No-no-don't hit me. I'm half joking. I have no idea why they've had approval for a Wall since Clinton and yet they've never funded it. That's a long time. They still don't want it. And since the Democrats have not been in the majority all that time, it is not just the Democrats who don't want it.

Oh I know it's not just Democrats who don't want a wall. I have said as much several times. And it''s obvious that both sides are pandering to donors.

I mean sure it's a little bit about getting in new voters for the Democrats too, but primarily it's big business loving illegal immigration because it suppresses wages. I know the popular perception is that big businesses are all in the GOP camp, but that is obviously not true. I would , for example, bet you money that the new owners of Ben & Jerry ice cream have illegal aliens working for them. Want to make that bet? Of course not, because you are a reasonable person and know it is likely true.

These companies do NOT want to suddenly have to start paying wages that Americans are willing to work for and they will fight tooth and nail to prevent a wall which would vastly decrease their labor supply which in turn would vastly raise the cost of labor to them.

I'm a little sorry to hear that Ben & Jerry's has been sold. Not too long ago I heard about them making some progressive statement about something--thought they were still in charge. Bummage.

Well, when you mix politics with sales you're committing suicide.

 

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You are exactly right, this is a payoff to those people, because the coward crooks in DC rather just give tax payer money away rather than actually solve a problem.

A fucking wall would prevent the majority of illegals from jumping our southern border and getting in line for amnesty cases that they are going to lose anyway (and yes that is a fact 98% of central Americans who actually do show up for their hearings are denied amnesty and deported) then that would free up the system allowing more people who actually do come to the border and legally request asylum to be processed. Anyone with even a modicum of intelligence knows that is true and anyone with a spot of honesty would admit it is true.

If walls didn't work, the idiot Democrats in DC would not be fighting the wall tooth and nail, instead they would say "fine Trump here's the money build your wall" so that they could rub his face in it when it didn't work. But they are not doing that because the KNOW they absolutely KNOW that a wall would drastically reduce illegal immigration. You know it would as well.

And to further illustrate that Democrats are simply not arguing this topic from good faith let us consider their other talking point. "A wall on the border would be immoral" I mean first let's forget the fact that Democrats have been screaming for years that religion (and that is where morals come from) should not have a place in our government. Let's simply focus on the fact that when asked if the wall in say Israel is immoral too Democrats suddenly bring out the "that's different" argument. No it isn't , Israel built the wall between them and Egypt strictly because they were tired of Africans entering the country illegally. That's it, there was no terrorism on their southern border it was simply a matter of keeping out illegal aliens. Apparently it's different when Israel does it.

You're not responding to me, but to Dems in general, so I won't bother replying.

Okay , then let's make it specific.

Do you admit that walls serve their intended purpose?
Do you think wanting a wall on our southern border is immoral, and if so aren't we supposed to keep morals out of our government? And also, do you believe that Israel's wall is immoral?

I think you're suffering from dementia, because I've told you several times since you've been here that I've got nothing against a wall in areas where it is indicated.
I know nothing about arguments that the wall is immoral, either our wall or Israel's wall, which I never even heard of.

The millions and millions of illegals living in our country and the tens of thousands pushing at the gate lead me to believe that a wall simply is not the ONLY solution. There are lots of ways to attack the problem, but I don't see you considering anything but the Wall, as if that alone will solve our problem. It will keep border jumpers out until they figure out another way in. The biggest vehicle for illegals right now is staying on expired Visas. Until we fix that problem, we might as well stop giving them out, because we can't enforce them. Seemingly.

The biggest motivator for MOST illegals is economic. If they were not hired, they would not come. Welfare never gave anyone enough to live on comfortably. They don't come to "freeload," no matter what the propagandists say.

I could go on, but what's the sense, you're not listening. I'm not saying NO WALL. I am saying NOT JUST THE WALL.

Are you seriously telling me that you had no idea that there are Democrat out there screaming that it would be immoral to build a wall on our Southern border.

If that is true, then you aren't really paying attention to the discussion.

And no the wall wouldn't solve everythign, but it would solve 90+% of the problem. Take the Israel/Egypt wall, for example. Once completed there have been ZERO cases of people getting across that border illegally.

I don't have to pay attention to what the Dems are saying--I'm an Independent.

And since you and I are both basing our opinions on what we THINK will happen in the future, there is no way of knowing or any way to end this argument.
Is there?

And Independent is just some who is too ashamed to admit they belong to a particular party because both parties get trashed by everyone.

 

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Wall will introduce smaller immigration with Pence also its Pence or mrs Clinton did expectation of me if Americans of 2020.