PBS and rethinking the conservative argument

[JoeB131]

No, it's impossible to believe that someone who supports every liberal position, uses every liberal talking point, believes every ridiculous liberal stereotype and has no idea to present an argument that would convince anyone but the most shallow left wing Democrat of anything that they used to be anything but what they are.

Here's the problem. The thing is, most positions, the Republicans turned out to be DEAD WRONG on.

I figured this out when I found myself in 2008, fired because I had run up too many medical bills, with an underwater mortgage and a busted 401K. I am STILL digging my way out of that mess. That's why I don't support Republican positions.

Ah, got it. YOU got sick, YOU made a poor housing decision and YOUR 401k took a hit when the market tanked so YOU suddenly found yourself in agreement with the leftist POV. That says waaay more about YOUR lack of character than it does about American econo-politics.

No, it just says that I can make a value judgement.

The GOP notion is that if deregulate industries and investments, give huge tax cuts to rich people, and sign bad trade treaties that let our good manufacturing jobs go overseas.

Now, yeah, if I were one of these clowns who bought a McMansion that I couldn't afford in the hope of flipping it 2 years later, I would have made a poor housing decision. Nope. I b ought a sensible condo. And the market still tanked.

In fact, the GOP has been wrong about everything. Letting greed guide you economy leads to bad results, because when 1% controls 43% of the wealth and they STILL don't think they have enough, it's leaving the fox in charge of the henhouse.

 

[kaz]

Yes, Comrade, all property is the people's property.

Government owning roads doesn't mean they own your car.

True enough.

They can, however, tell me how fast I can go, that I have to wear a seat belt, that I can't talk on my cell phone while driving, that I can't drive on their road after downing a bottle of 80 Proof Skullcracker.

In short, I can use the road as long as I am using it responsibly.


Same should apply to broadcast licenses.

-- Which they get, by the way, for nothing.

How sweet would it be to have your town just give you a storefront, rent-free?

Yes, Comrade, all property is the people's property and government is the people. They should sell us our air, land, airwaves.

Government does nothing but make sure that two companies don't use the same airwaves at the same time. That is a legitimate use of government. Government selling us that which they did not create just because they have the guns and can is not.

 

[Pogo]

True enough.

They can, however, tell me how fast I can go, that I have to wear a seat belt, that I can't talk on my cell phone while driving, that I can't drive on their road after downing a bottle of 80 Proof Skullcracker.

In short, I can use the road as long as I am using it responsibly.


Same should apply to broadcast licenses.

-- Which they get, by the way, for nothing.

How sweet would it be to have your town just give you a storefront, rent-free?

Yes, Comrade, all property is the people's property and government is the people. They should sell us our air, land, airwaves.

Government does nothing but make sure that two companies don't use the same airwaves at the same time. That is a legitimate use of government. Government selling us that which they did not create just because they have the guns and can is not.

I agree with the second part dress-boy, but that's got nothing to do with the point, does it?

The first part doesn't even make any sense in English. If the people own something (i.e. the airwaves, which we do), then how can the gummint sell it to us?
Skipped coffee today?

 

[kaz]

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You realize your employer fired you because your total compensation was more than you were worth. That is on you, not them. You should have worked harder and cared more about the job you did.

Actually, I made them a shitload of money. But their policy was to fire anyone who might run up medical insurance

Oh, by the way, that's totally illegal, and they did give me a bunch of "Please don't sue us" money before I left.

In the six years since I left, they've hired and fired six people who did what I did.

Bull. You know nothing about business, a critical requirement to being a liberal.

You made lots of money for them, but they fired you and replaced you. And you couldn't get another job that paid remotely what that one did. I'm calling you a flat out liar.

 

[Dot Com]

Back when I was more right wing than I am now, I had a liberal buddy who volunteered to work at PBS for their telethons.

And the argument I made was that PBS didn't need donations and it didn't need a government subsidy. There are plenty of corporations that would happily put their commercials on the quality programming they were producing.

And back in the 1990's, I could point to The History Channel and the Discovery Channel and the Learning Channel and Arts and Entertainment and say, "See, these channels are producing quality education and arts programming and making a buck doing it. The Market Forces win again!"

Yup. I really used to believe that.

Flash forward to today.

The History Channel (which sometimes got called the Hitler Channel because of all the WWII shows) is now a mix of Paws Shops, Logger and trucker shows. Which have nothing to do with History.

The Discovery Channel, on the weeks they aren't doing Shark Week, do street racing, and shows about people who catch crabs in Alaska. (And I don't mean that as a visit with the Palin family.)

The Learning Channel- or Just TLC- They went gutter trash first. Jon and Kate + Eight, Sarah Palin, Midgets, and other trash.

Ah, but Arts and Entertainment. Oops, now it's Rednecks and Exterminators.

In short, the opposite of the argument I made with all sincerity. Once you are a slave to the bottom line, you lose your principles pretty quickly.

yep, rw'ers here, & in congress, think gov't is supposed to turn a profit lol

 

[kaz]

-- Which they get, by the way, for nothing.

How sweet would it be to have your town just give you a storefront, rent-free?

Yes, Comrade, all property is the people's property and government is the people. They should sell us our air, land, airwaves.

Government does nothing but make sure that two companies don't use the same airwaves at the same time. That is a legitimate use of government. Government selling us that which they did not create just because they have the guns and can is not.

I agree with the second part dress-boy, but that's got nothing to do with the point, does it?

The first part doesn't even make any sense in English. If the people own something (i.e. the airwaves, which we do), then how can the gummint sell it to us?
Skipped coffee today?

Do you even read your own posts? You may want to do that. You complained the government doesn't sell the airwaves, they give it for nothing. They didn't create the airwaves, they have no right to sell them.

Still confused on the libertarian and the Statue of Liberty thing I see. When you get through puberty and establish your sexual identity, things like this won't be so distressing to you. Hang in there, we all survive it.

 

[SAYIT]

Here's the problem. The thing is, most positions, the Republicans turned out to be DEAD WRONG on.

I figured this out when I found myself in 2008, fired because I had run up too many medical bills, with an underwater mortgage and a busted 401K. I am STILL digging my way out of that mess. That's why I don't support Republican positions.

Ah, got it. YOU got sick, YOU made a poor housing decision and YOUR 401k took a hit when the market tanked so YOU suddenly found yourself in agreement with the leftist POV. That says waaay more about YOUR lack of character than it does about American econo-politics.

No, it just says that I can make a value judgement.

The GOP notion is that if deregulate industries and investments, give huge tax cuts to rich people, and sign bad trade treaties that let our good manufacturing jobs go overseas.

Now, yeah, if I were one of these clowns who bought a McMansion that I couldn't afford in the hope of flipping it 2 years later, I would have made a poor housing decision. Nope. I b ought a sensible condo. And the market still tanked.

In fact, the GOP has been wrong about everything. Letting greed guide you economy leads to bad results, because when 1% controls 43% of the wealth and they STILL don't think they have enough, it's leaving the fox in charge of the henhouse.

You have the right to justify your newfound socialist leanings (evidently you didn't have them until things got rough for you) any way you like but given your circumstances it certainly smacks of sour grapes.

 

[Pogo]

Yes, Comrade, all property is the people's property and government is the people. They should sell us our air, land, airwaves.

Government does nothing but make sure that two companies don't use the same airwaves at the same time. That is a legitimate use of government. Government selling us that which they did not create just because they have the guns and can is not.

I agree with the second part dress-boy, but that's got nothing to do with the point, does it?

The first part doesn't even make any sense in English. If the people own something (i.e. the airwaves, which we do), then how can the gummint sell it to us?
Skipped coffee today?

Do you even read your own posts? You may want to do that. You complained the government doesn't sell the airwaves, they give it for nothing. They didn't create the airwaves, they have no right to sell them.

Still confused on the libertarian and the Statue of Liberty thing I see. When you get through puberty and establish your sexual identity, things like this won't be so distressing to you. Hang in there, we all survive it.

Do YOU ever read my posts? Where does it say anything about "selling"?

Assume much?

 

[Stephanie]

LOL

"I Used ta be a Republican..."

LOL

Was going to Neg you for being a lying scumbag and then I realized you do far more damage to yourself by posting than I could by negging your lying ass

and more right wing
and just all of a sudden he decided to GO commie/left wing and his excuse was it was because of the Tea Party...so hummm, that happened when his Dear Leader was elected...How amazing is that

Joey and Jakie two peas in a pod
they are what you would label, reactionaries as most leftwingers are

 

[kaz]

Do YOU ever read my posts? Where does it say anything about "selling"?

Assume much?

Seriously, what is wrong with you?

Same should apply to broadcast licenses.

-- Which they get, by the way, for nothing.

How sweet would it be to have your town just give you a storefront, rent-free?

 

[Pogo]

do you ever read my posts? Where does it say anything about "selling"?

Assume much?

seriously, what is wrong with you?

same should apply to broadcast licenses.

-- which they get, by the way, for nothing.

How sweet would it be to have your town just give you a storefront, rent-free?

............... and?


Say, dress-boy.... why do you take the links out of quotes? What are you afraid of?

 

[kaz]

do you ever read my posts? Where does it say anything about "selling"?

Assume much?

seriously, what is wrong with you?

same should apply to broadcast licenses.

............... and?


Say, dress-boy.... why do you take the links out of quotes? What are you afraid of?

I see, hiding behind links rather than what you said.

What I'm not afraid of is figuring out what my sexual identity is. I like girls, I like liberty. I've always used the Statue of Liberty as my avatar. I thought she was a hottie dressed as the Statue of Liberty. Is it disturbing you that you think she's hot? Or are you bothered by thinking that she isn't ... to you? You're certainly obsessed with this.

 

[kiwiman127]

Well, I thought this would have turned out to be an interesting thread, but noooooo! The usual insults/attacks reared their ugly heads.
Is it too adult to ask for threads that are sans the childish insults?

 

[Pogo]

seriously, what is wrong with you?

............... and?


Say, dress-boy.... why do you take the links out of quotes? What are you afraid of?

I see, hiding behind links rather than what you said.

What I'm not afraid of is figuring out what my sexual identity is. I like girls, I like liberty. I've always used the Statue of Liberty as my avatar. I thought she was a hottie dressed as the Statue of Liberty. Is it disturbing you that you think she's hot? Or are you bothered by thinking that she isn't ... to you? You're certainly obsessed with this.

Then why won't you ever say what your gender is? And where do you see a "statue of liberty" around here?

What about the actual points? (a) why do you remove the links from quotes, and (b) where did I say anything about "selling" anythng?

Do you think I can't find the quotes on my own and this will hide them? What are you trying to hide?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

LOL

"I Used ta be a Republican..."

LOL

Was going to Neg you for being a lying scumbag and then I realized you do far more damage to yourself by posting than I could by negging your lying ass

and more right wing
and just all of a sudden he decided to GO commie/left wing and his excuse was it was because of the Tea Party...so hummm, that happened when his Dear Leader was elected...How amazing is that

Joey and Jakie two peas in a pod
they are what you would label, reactionaries as most leftwingers are

And Bucs90 and rdean but at least deany never mentions it...I think he'd like to forget he ever said it

 

[Skull Pilot]

If you all think PBS is so great then make it a paid channel like HBO.

Why should people who never watch that drivel pay for it?

The same goes for NPR. Put in on satellite and let the people who listen to it pay

 

[Pogo]

If you all think PBS is so great then make it a paid channel like HBO.

The entire point of the thread just sailed blissfully over your head.

Why should people who never watch that drivel pay for it?

The same goes for NPR. Put in on satellite and let the people who listen to it pay

It already is on satellite, and the viewers/listeners already do pay those stations. It's the major part of their funding. Matter of fact any government funds they get depends on that audience support-- you have to demonstrate first that you have willing audience to earn it.

 

[Dot Com]

............... and?


Say, dress-boy.... why do you take the links out of quotes? What are you afraid of?

I see, hiding behind links rather than what you said.

What I'm not afraid of is figuring out what my sexual identity is. I like girls, I like liberty. I've always used the Statue of Liberty as my avatar. I thought she was a hottie dressed as the Statue of Liberty. Is it disturbing you that you think she's hot? Or are you bothered by thinking that she isn't ... to you? You're certainly obsessed with this.

Then why won't you ever say what your gender is? And where do you see a "statue of liberty" around here?

What about the actual points? (a) why do you remove the links from quotes, and (b) where did I say anything about "selling" anythng?

Do you think I can't find the quotes on my own and this will hide them? What are you trying to hide?

These "Androgynous Pat- types" piss me off too.

 

[kaz]

I see, hiding behind links rather than what you said.

What I'm not afraid of is figuring out what my sexual identity is. I like girls, I like liberty. I've always used the Statue of Liberty as my avatar. I thought she was a hottie dressed as the Statue of Liberty. Is it disturbing you that you think she's hot? Or are you bothered by thinking that she isn't ... to you? You're certainly obsessed with this.

Then why won't you ever say what your gender is? And where do you see a "statue of liberty" around here?

What about the actual points? (a) why do you remove the links from quotes, and (b) where did I say anything about "selling" anythng?

Do you think I can't find the quotes on my own and this will hide them? What are you trying to hide?

These "Androgynous Pat- types" piss me off too.

Libertarian ... statue of liberty ... still no connection, eh?

 

[JoeB131]

[
You realize your employer fired you because your total compensation was more than you were worth. That is on you, not them. You should have worked harder and cared more about the job you did.

Actually, I made them a shitload of money. But their policy was to fire anyone who might run up medical insurance

Oh, by the way, that's totally illegal, and they did give me a bunch of "Please don't sue us" money before I left.

In the six years since I left, they've hired and fired six people who did what I did.

Bull. You know nothing about business, a critical requirement to being a liberal.

You made lots of money for them, but they fired you and replaced you. And you couldn't get another job that paid remotely what that one did. I'm calling you a flat out liar.

Your boy Bush destroyed the economy. Unlike a lot of people, I landed on my feet.

One of my colleagues at this place, backstabbing wench that she was, but she kissed managements ass. She got fired, too, and it took her two years to find another job.

And frankly, I get a little bored with conservatives and LiberTARDians telling us about "business". You all took the great economy Clinton left you and managed to completely fuck it up.

What really amazes me, with most recessions happening on Republican watches, is why we listen to you at all.

When I was growing up in the 1970's, my parents remarked that Republicans brought us recessions and Democrats brought us wars.

Now Republicans bring us both.

Good job.