Pay for the military

[American Horse]

FORCED??? What part of "volunteer military" are you struggling with?

They "volunteer" to serve. Once their service begins until their enlistment is completed, very little of what they do could be described as being "voluntary."

They are "commanded" by their superiors and obey their commander's "orders" 24/7 when their duty requires that.

What do we call people who have no choice about how many hours they must work in addition to the conditions in which the must do it, and must continue under orders on pain of severe punishment whether or not they are paid?

Are you trying to say that our military recruiters are not doing a good enough job of letting these VOLUNTEERS know what they will be in for when they sign up?

Not at all; it's you who lacks understanding. Thats clear from your comments, either that or you are trolling which is what I suspect is the case, Vay.

 

[VaYank5150]

So its ok for the big wigs at congress to still get paid but not the Military huh? that makes sense.

This thread is now 4 pages long. Where did ANYONE state this?

Congress going to get paid no matter what, and yet your here saying the Military doesn't deserve to get paid.

You normally do not take my posts out of context. Please go back and show me where I have stated ANYWHERE in this thread that "the Mililtary doesn't deserve to get paid". When you can't find it, I will expect an apology from you for your false allegation.

 

[Samson]

Not down on the military. Just trying to figure out why they are not subject to the same brow beating that the right wingers on here give others who may live paycheck to paycheck. Why was it so important to ensure these budget challenged individuals got their paychecks, when those non-military folks who live paycheck to paycheck are so easily disregarded by right wingers on this board?

By "others" I suppose you mean public employees who have unionized so they can act as a voting block (PAC) to elect the same officials with whom they collectively bargain for salary and benefits.

While you're no doubt one of the sharper meatballs to have noticed that the military is composed of public employees, the fact that they haven't organized a union to hold taxpayers by the balls seems to have escaped your notice.

Hope I've drawn a clear enough picture for you to "figure out why" the military isn't treated the same way as a bunch of bitches.

Had you been paying attention, you would already know that I abhor unions in the private and public sectors. Since you haven't been, your assumption is incorrect.

Then what "others" do you mean?

Just trying to figure out why they are not subject to the same brow beating that the right wingers on here give others who may live paycheck to paycheck.


Who are these "other" people? You mean "the poor?" Do you thing everyone in the military "lives paycheck to paycheck?" Why? Do you have any evidence of ANY troop living under a bridge in a cardboard box with his family?

Sounds like you're full-o-shit.

 

[Samson]

They "volunteer" to serve. Once their service begins until their enlistment is completed, very little of what they do could be described as being "voluntary."

They are "commanded" by their superiors and obey their commander's "orders" 24/7 when their duty requires that.

What do we call people who have no choice about how many hours they must work in addition to the conditions in which the must do it, and must continue under orders on pain of severe punishment whether or not they are paid?

Are you trying to say that our military recruiters are not doing a good enough job of letting these VOLUNTEERS know what they will be in for when they sign up?

Not at all; it's you who lacks understanding. Thats clear from your comments, either that or you are trolling which is what I suspect is the case, Vay.

Indeed.

Apparently Vay heard half a talking point drool out of Chris Matthews and is parroting it.

 

[VaYank5150]

Sleep in their bunks? you know less than zero about the Military.

Oh REALLY? So, are you now trying to say recruits do not sleep?

You were trying to imply the Military spends most of their time sleeping or doing nothing, don't play games with me.

I never implied ANY such thing. Ollie said the military trained recruits 24/7, and I was simply trying to understand what traing the recruits were getting while they were sleeping. Please go back and reread the posts.

 

[bodecea]

By "others" I suppose you mean public employees who have unionized so they can act as a voting block (PAC) to elect the same officials with whom they collectively bargain for salary and benefits.

While you're no doubt one of the sharper meatballs to have noticed that the military is composed of public employees, the fact that they haven't organized a union to hold taxpayers by the balls seems to have escaped your notice.

Hope I've drawn a clear enough picture for you to "figure out why" the military isn't treated the same way as a bunch of bitches.

Had you been paying attention, you would already know that I abhor unions in the private and public sectors. Since you haven't been, your assumption is incorrect.

Then what "others" do you mean?

Just trying to figure out why they are not subject to the same brow beating that the right wingers on here give others who may live paycheck to paycheck.

Who are these "other" people? You mean "the poor?" Do you thing everyone in the military "lives paycheck to paycheck?" Why? Do you have any evidence of ANY troop living under a bridge in a cardboard box with his family?

Sounds like you're full-o-shit.

Actually, there are MANY military....usually lower enlisted...living pay check to pay check. They don't know how to manage money and even if they do, if they have a family with kids, they qualify for food stamps.

 

[VaYank5150]

They "volunteer" to serve. Once their service begins until their enlistment is completed, very little of what they do could be described as being "voluntary."

They are "commanded" by their superiors and obey their commander's "orders" 24/7 when their duty requires that.

What do we call people who have no choice about how many hours they must work in addition to the conditions in which the must do it, and must continue under orders on pain of severe punishment whether or not they are paid?

Are you trying to say that our military recruiters are not doing a good enough job of letting these VOLUNTEERS know what they will be in for when they sign up?

Not at all; it's you who lacks understanding. Thats clear from your comments, either that or you are trolling which is what I suspect is the case, Vay.

I have asked a valid question, and have yet to receive a valid answer. Why is this trolling to you?

 

[High_Gravity]

This thread is now 4 pages long. Where did ANYONE state this?

Congress going to get paid no matter what, and yet your here saying the Military doesn't deserve to get paid.

You normally do not take my posts out of context. Please go back and show me where I have stated ANYWHERE in this thread that "the Mililtary doesn't deserve to get paid". When you can't find it, I will expect an apology from you for your false allegation.

The whole basis of this thread is that the Military is no different than any other job and their pay shouldn't be protected right?

 

[High_Gravity]

Oh REALLY? So, are you now trying to say recruits do not sleep?

You were trying to imply the Military spends most of their time sleeping or doing nothing, don't play games with me.

I never implied ANY such thing. Ollie said the military trained recruits 24/7, and I was simply trying to understand what traing the recruits were getting while they were sleeping. Please go back and reread the posts.

Ok if thats what you meant to say I apologize for attacking you but what Ollie said is technically true since in the Military you are technically on duty 24/7, they can pretty much bring you in anytime they want to work.

 

[VaYank5150]

By "others" I suppose you mean public employees who have unionized so they can act as a voting block (PAC) to elect the same officials with whom they collectively bargain for salary and benefits.

While you're no doubt one of the sharper meatballs to have noticed that the military is composed of public employees, the fact that they haven't organized a union to hold taxpayers by the balls seems to have escaped your notice.

Hope I've drawn a clear enough picture for you to "figure out why" the military isn't treated the same way as a bunch of bitches.

Had you been paying attention, you would already know that I abhor unions in the private and public sectors. Since you haven't been, your assumption is incorrect.

Then what "others" do you mean?

Just trying to figure out why they are not subject to the same brow beating that the right wingers on here give others who may live paycheck to paycheck.


Who are these "other" people? You mean "the poor?" Do you thing everyone in the military "lives paycheck to paycheck?" Why? Do you have any evidence of ANY troop living under a bridge in a cardboard box with his family?

Sounds like you're full-o-shit.

By "others" I meant ANYONE who lives paycheck to paycheck, and may ultimatley fall on hard times due to a loss of their job. Which in turn, lands them in a mrotgage crisis and for a period of time in the unemployment lines. Or as Willow Tree would call it, sucking off the tit of big Government.

 

[bodecea]

I just spoke to an active Marine leader over a recent holiday and he told me that the active military is NOT mostly conservative.

One of you is lying. And I don't think it's the active Marine leader.

I would say it is mostly conservative but while someone like Ollie probably thinks the split is something like 80% conservative, 20% liberal...the reality is more like 60% conservative, 40% liberal.

Some have a hard time imagining liberals in the military....just observe when liberal vets such as myself, seawytch, noose4 and zona are on....our military service is questioned again and again and again. They can't handle the reality that not all military are hard core conservatives. That liberals actually serve. That liberals don't go screaming away from guns and service to country.

Hey, you're safe already

About what I'd expect from you, Samson.

 

[VaYank5150]

Congress going to get paid no matter what, and yet your here saying the Military doesn't deserve to get paid.

You normally do not take my posts out of context. Please go back and show me where I have stated ANYWHERE in this thread that "the Mililtary doesn't deserve to get paid". When you can't find it, I will expect an apology from you for your false allegation.

The whole basis of this thread is that the Military is no different than any other job and their pay shouldn't be protected right?

I am trying to understand WHY many on the right see their pay as needing protection, so, in effect, yes.

 

[SFC Ollie]

If your point is that the military is sucking the life out of our economy, I'm 100% on board with that sentiment.

I don't blame the military personnel for that, of course.

But I do get rather tired of people who are NOT players in the capitalist economy (the military is pure socialist) waxing poetic about how much they LOVE capitalism.


These boys live in a social workers paradise and yet they have the unmitigate gall to lecutre the rest of us about how good capitalism works.

If they love this perverted form of capitalism we are currently enjoying so damned much, they ought to try to living with it.

I mean how many recruits going into boot camp today do you think could find a job in the civilian sector that pays nearly so well?

Not 10% of them, kids.

Starting salaries in the military are very generous given the lack of skills these boys are taking into the service with them.

And they learn the necessary skills very very fast. What civilian job will train you 24/7 to give you all the needed skills and knowledge?

What exactly are those recruits learning while they sleep in their bunks, again?

You really are lost on this aren't you?

 

[High_Gravity]

You normally do not take my posts out of context. Please go back and show me where I have stated ANYWHERE in this thread that "the Mililtary doesn't deserve to get paid". When you can't find it, I will expect an apology from you for your false allegation.

The whole basis of this thread is that the Military is no different than any other job and their pay shouldn't be protected right?

I am trying to understand WHY many on the right see their pay as needing protection, so, in effect, yes.

Well the Police and Firemen have their pay protected right?

 

[VaYank5150]

You were trying to imply the Military spends most of their time sleeping or doing nothing, don't play games with me.

I never implied ANY such thing. Ollie said the military trained recruits 24/7, and I was simply trying to understand what traing the recruits were getting while they were sleeping. Please go back and reread the posts.

Ok if thats what you meant to say I apologize for attacking you but what Ollie said is technically true since in the Military you are technically on duty 24/7, they can pretty much bring you in anytime they want to work.

Trust me, I come from a military family. I know the drill. I was just trying to figure out what Ollie meant by training their recruits 24/7?

 

[VaYank5150]

The whole basis of this thread is that the Military is no different than any other job and their pay shouldn't be protected right?

I am trying to understand WHY many on the right see their pay as needing protection, so, in effect, yes.

Well the Police and Firemen have their pay protected right?

Police and firemen are the states' responsibility.

 

[Samson]

Had you been paying attention, you would already know that I abhor unions in the private and public sectors. Since you haven't been, your assumption is incorrect.

Then what "others" do you mean?

Just trying to figure out why they are not subject to the same brow beating that the right wingers on here give others who may live paycheck to paycheck.

Who are these "other" people? You mean "the poor?" Do you thing everyone in the military "lives paycheck to paycheck?" Why? Do you have any evidence of ANY troop living under a bridge in a cardboard box with his family?

Sounds like you're full-o-shit.

Actually, there are MANY military....usually lower enlisted...living pay check to pay check. They don't know how to manage money and even if they do, if they have a family with kids, they qualify for food stamps.

Really?

And I should believe you because....bodecea said so?

Why? If you made anything like a logical arguement, then it would be OK not to post a link with statistics supporting your claim, but the fact is the military's pay is at the highest its ever been, and they don't have any problem getting people to join, and re-enlist! If there was even a smidgeon of common sense in your absurd statement, then why are these destitute families of "lower enlisted" joining the military?

 

[High_Gravity]

I am trying to understand WHY many on the right see their pay as needing protection, so, in effect, yes.

Well the Police and Firemen have their pay protected right?

Police and firemen are the states' responsibility.

That maybe the case, but we are sending the Military into 2 wars now, and if we really can't afford to pay them, we just need to end the wars and bring them home. To keep them out there getting shot at with no paychecks is madness.

 

[theHawk]

Much has been made by those on the right here on USMB, about supposed lefties who are either down and out or are living paycheck to paycheck, and of course what a bad thing this is, and how only those on the left, who RELY on the Federal government for their very being, would live such a life.

With this in mind, why was so much made about how the Federal government shutdown would hurt military families and how such a shut dwon could make military families destitute and possibly lose their homes, etc. Are military families lefties? All of them? Really?

If your point is that the military is sucking the life out of our economy, I'm 100% on board with that sentiment.

I don't blame the military personnel for that, of course.

But I do get rather tired of people who are NOT players in the capitalist economy (the military is pure socialist) waxing poetic about how much they LOVE capitalism.


These boys live in a social workers paradise and yet they have the unmitigate gall to lecutre the rest of us about how good capitalism works.

If they love this perverted form of capitalism we are currently enjoying so damned much, they ought to try to living with it.

I mean how many recruits going into boot camp today do you think could find a job in the civilian sector that pays nearly so well?

Not 10% of them, kids.
Starting salaries in the military are very generous given the lack of skills these boys are taking into the service with them.

Yea, thats why the military offered people in my career field up to $60,000 in bonus money if they re-enlisted.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Ask anyone in the military how many nights they spent on duty.

My last duty station before retirement I spent the first 90 days (nights) attending the instructors course. We reported to our class at 8 PM. We went home the following morning at 6 AM.

Yes the military trains 24/7

Do you think maybe a war stops at 5PM every day? Maybe we can meet up with the enemy on Saturday afternoon for a quick 9 holes?

Wake up dumb ass.