Patriotic Americans vs. Israel

[eagle1462010]

This region was taken by force in a stand against the Germans and Ottomans during WWI at a cost of 1 to 1.5 million Allied forces............Ending the long standing rule by the Ottomans...................

Middle Eastern theatre of World War I - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

None of the countries of today there were even countries there.................and those that won the region by force of arms had every right to decide the fate of the region............including the creation of Israel at a much later date............

Really? They had the right to remove the inhabitants of the conquered lands to make room for Europeans in contravention of the Covenant of the League of Nations which Britain, France and Italy signed?

At a cost of over a million lives taking the place I'd say so.

 

[montelatici]

This region was taken by force in a stand against the Germans and Ottomans during WWI at a cost of 1 to 1.5 million Allied forces............Ending the long standing rule by the Ottomans...................

Middle Eastern theatre of World War I - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

None of the countries of today there were even countries there.................and those that won the region by force of arms had every right to decide the fate of the region............including the creation of Israel at a much later date............

Really? They had the right to remove the inhabitants of the conquered lands to make room for Europeans in contravention of the Covenant of the League of Nations which Britain, France and Italy signed?

At a cost of over a million lives taking the place I'd say so.

The displacement of the people of Palestine from their land contravened the peace treaty and the Covenant of the League of Nations as the British themselves acknowledge:

170. With regard to the various statements mentioned in paragraph 168, the above committee considered that it was beyond its scope to express an opinion upon their proper interpretation, and that such opinion could not in any case be properly formed unless consideration had also been given to a number of other statements made during the war. In the opinion of the committee, however, it was evident from these statements that "His Majesty's Government were not free to dispose of Palestine without regard for the wishes and interests of the inhabitants of Palestine, and that these statements must all be taken into account in any attempt to estimate the responsibilities which—upon any interpretation of the correspondence—His Majesty's Government have incurred towards those inhabitants as a result of the correspondence"

A 364 of 3 September 1947

 

[Phoenall]

This region was taken by force in a stand against the Germans and Ottomans during WWI at a cost of 1 to 1.5 million Allied forces............Ending the long standing rule by the Ottomans...................

Middle Eastern theatre of World War I - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

None of the countries of today there were even countries there.................and those that won the region by force of arms had every right to decide the fate of the region............including the creation of Israel at a much later date............

Really? They had the right to remove the inhabitants of the conquered lands to make room for Europeans in contravention of the Covenant of the League of Nations which Britain, France and Italy signed?

Not according to your link which clearly shows that the LoN had given the land to the Jews

 

[Phoenall]

This region was taken by force in a stand against the Germans and Ottomans during WWI at a cost of 1 to 1.5 million Allied forces............Ending the long standing rule by the Ottomans...................

Middle Eastern theatre of World War I - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

None of the countries of today there were even countries there.................and those that won the region by force of arms had every right to decide the fate of the region............including the creation of Israel at a much later date............

Really? They had the right to remove the inhabitants of the conquered lands to make room for Europeans in contravention of the Covenant of the League of Nations which Britain, France and Italy signed?

At a cost of over a million lives taking the place I'd say so.

The displacement of the people of Palestine from their land contravened the peace treaty and the Covenant of the League of Nations as the British themselves acknowledge:

170. With regard to the various statements mentioned in paragraph 168, the above committee considered that it was beyond its scope to express an opinion upon their proper interpretation, and that such opinion could not in any case be properly formed unless consideration had also been given to a number of other statements made during the war. In the opinion of the committee, however, it was evident from these statements that "His Majesty's Government were not free to dispose of Palestine without regard for the wishes and interests of the inhabitants of Palestine, and that these statements must all be taken into account in any attempt to estimate the responsibilities which—upon any interpretation of the correspondence—His Majesty's Government have incurred towards those inhabitants as a result of the correspondence"

A 364 of 3 September 1947

 

[Phoenall]

And the UK did not do anything of the sort as they did not have the authority, but the LoN did and made it very clear in the Mandate.

 

[Thunderbird]

and those that won the region by force of arms had every right to decide the fate of the region

Might makes right?! So the Nazis had every right to kill Jews?!

 

[eagle1462010]

and those that won the region by force of arms had every right to decide the fate of the region

Might makes right?! So the Nazis had every right to kill Jews?!

Yawn.......................Stop the Caliphate are eventually get your ass kicked.................

Or how about a novel idea...............stop saying convert or fucking die.....................because eventually someone is going to knock you on your ass if you don't cut it out............

So yeah.............MIGHT MAKES RIGHT..........on this equation............

btw who bombed the Nazi's into the stone age.................bye bye.

 

[Thunderbird]

The Islamic Genocide of Christians Past and Present -

Last Friday, April 24, we remembered how exactly 100 years ago the last historic Muslim caliphate, the Ottoman Empire, tried to cleanse its empire of Christian minorities —Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks — even as we stand by watching as the new caliphate, the Islamic State, resumes the genocide.

And in both cases, the atrocities were and are being committed in the name of Islam.

Completely wrong!

The Young Turks who were responsible for the genocide were ardently secular! Some of the leaders were Jews!

Young Turks - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Try not to be so ignorant.

 

[eagle1462010]

Armenian Genocide - Facts Summary - HISTORY.com

In 1915, leaders of the Turkish government set in motion a plan to expel and massacre Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire. Though reports vary, most sources agree that there were about 2 million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire at the time of the massacre. By the early 1920s, when the massacres and deportations finally ended, some 1.5 million of Turkey’s Armenians were dead, with many more forcibly removed from the country. Today, most historians call this event a genocide–a premeditated and systematic campaign to exterminate an entire people. However, the Turkish government does not acknowledge the enormity or scope of these events. Despite pressure from Armenians and social justice advocates throughout the world, it is still illegal in Turkey to talk about what happened to Armenians during this era.

THE RISE OF THE YOUNG TURKS
In 1908, a new government came to power in Turkey. A group of reformers who called themselves the “Young Turks” overthrew Sultan Abdul Hamid and established a more modern constitutional government. At first, the Armenians were hopeful that they would have an equal place in this new state, but they soon learned that what the nationalistic Young Turks wanted most of all was to “Turkify” the empire. According to this way of thinking, non-Turks–and especially Christian non-Turks–were a grave threat to the new state

GENOCIDE BEGINS
On April 24, 1915, the Armenian genocide began. That day, the Turkish government arrested and executed several hundred Armenian intellectuals. After that, ordinary Armenians were turned out of their homes and sent on death marches through the Mesopotamian desert without food or water. Frequently, the marchers were stripped naked and forced to walk under the scorching sun until they dropped dead. People who stopped to rest were shot.

At the same time, the Young Turks created a “Special Organization,” which in turn organized “killing squads” or “butcher battalions” to carry out, as one officer put it, “the liquidation of the Christian elements.” These killing squads were often made up of murderers and other ex-convicts. They drowned people in rivers, threw them off cliffs, crucified them and burned them alive. In short order, the Turkish countryside was littered with Armenian corpses.

Records show that during this “Turkification”campaign government squads also kidnapped children, converted them to Islam and gave them to Turkish families. In some places, they raped women and forced them to join Turkish “harems” or serve as slaves. Muslim families moved into the homes of deported Armenians and seized their property.

 

[Thunderbird]

Armenian Genocide - Facts Summary - HISTORY.com

In 1915, leaders of the Turkish government set in motion a plan to expel and massacre Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire. Though reports vary, most sources agree that there were about 2 million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire at the time of the massacre. By the early 1920s, when the massacres and deportations finally ended, some 1.5 million of Turkey’s Armenians were dead, with many more forcibly removed from the country. Today, most historians call this event a genocide–a premeditated and systematic campaign to exterminate an entire people. However, the Turkish government does not acknowledge the enormity or scope of these events. Despite pressure from Armenians and social justice advocates throughout the world, it is still illegal in Turkey to talk about what happened to Armenians during this era.

THE RISE OF THE YOUNG TURKS
In 1908, a new government came to power in Turkey. A group of reformers who called themselves the “Young Turks” overthrew Sultan Abdul Hamid and established a more modern constitutional government. At first, the Armenians were hopeful that they would have an equal place in this new state, but they soon learned that what the nationalistic Young Turks wanted most of all was to “Turkify” the empire. According to this way of thinking, non-Turks–and especially Christian non-Turks–were a grave threat to the new state

GENOCIDE BEGINS
On April 24, 1915, the Armenian genocide began. That day, the Turkish government arrested and executed several hundred Armenian intellectuals. After that, ordinary Armenians were turned out of their homes and sent on death marches through the Mesopotamian desert without food or water. Frequently, the marchers were stripped naked and forced to walk under the scorching sun until they dropped dead. People who stopped to rest were shot.

At the same time, the Young Turks created a “Special Organization,” which in turn organized “killing squads” or “butcher battalions” to carry out, as one officer put it, “the liquidation of the Christian elements.” These killing squads were often made up of murderers and other ex-convicts. They drowned people in rivers, threw them off cliffs, crucified them and burned them alive. In short order, the Turkish countryside was littered with Armenian corpses.

Records show that during this “Turkification”campaign government squads also kidnapped children, converted them to Islam and gave them to Turkish families. In some places, they raped women and forced them to join Turkish “harems” or serve as slaves. Muslim families moved into the homes of deported Armenians and seized their property.

The Young Turks were awful I couldn't agree more!

But the Young Turks who were responsible for the genocide were ardently secular and some of the leaders were Jews.

 

[eagle1462010]

Armenian Genocide - Facts Summary - HISTORY.com

In 1915, leaders of the Turkish government set in motion a plan to expel and massacre Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire. Though reports vary, most sources agree that there were about 2 million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire at the time of the massacre. By the early 1920s, when the massacres and deportations finally ended, some 1.5 million of Turkey’s Armenians were dead, with many more forcibly removed from the country. Today, most historians call this event a genocide–a premeditated and systematic campaign to exterminate an entire people. However, the Turkish government does not acknowledge the enormity or scope of these events. Despite pressure from Armenians and social justice advocates throughout the world, it is still illegal in Turkey to talk about what happened to Armenians during this era.

THE RISE OF THE YOUNG TURKS
In 1908, a new government came to power in Turkey. A group of reformers who called themselves the “Young Turks” overthrew Sultan Abdul Hamid and established a more modern constitutional government. At first, the Armenians were hopeful that they would have an equal place in this new state, but they soon learned that what the nationalistic Young Turks wanted most of all was to “Turkify” the empire. According to this way of thinking, non-Turks–and especially Christian non-Turks–were a grave threat to the new state

GENOCIDE BEGINS
On April 24, 1915, the Armenian genocide began. That day, the Turkish government arrested and executed several hundred Armenian intellectuals. After that, ordinary Armenians were turned out of their homes and sent on death marches through the Mesopotamian desert without food or water. Frequently, the marchers were stripped naked and forced to walk under the scorching sun until they dropped dead. People who stopped to rest were shot.

At the same time, the Young Turks created a “Special Organization,” which in turn organized “killing squads” or “butcher battalions” to carry out, as one officer put it, “the liquidation of the Christian elements.” These killing squads were often made up of murderers and other ex-convicts. They drowned people in rivers, threw them off cliffs, crucified them and burned them alive. In short order, the Turkish countryside was littered with Armenian corpses.

Records show that during this “Turkification”campaign government squads also kidnapped children, converted them to Islam and gave them to Turkish families. In some places, they raped women and forced them to join Turkish “harems” or serve as slaves. Muslim families moved into the homes of deported Armenians and seized their property.

The Young Turks were awful I couldn't agree more!

But the Young Turks who were responsible for the genocide were ardently secular and some of the leaders were Jews.

The Ottomans treated those of other faiths, especially Armenians as dogs..........They only tolerated them when they paid the fees of being a non believer...............Before WWI they had already started the cleansing.................and your attempt to put of the GENOCIDE IS UTTER BS..............They slaughtered about 1.5 million christians to every man women and child for allah.............because they were different..............

These guys helped stop the Ottoman BS in the 6 month campaign for GAZA.............WWI......

 

[eagle1462010]

BTW............These Aussies were outnumbered 3 to 1 there............

Under fire for 3.5 miles...............

And Won against the turks opening the road for Jerusalem.............and Paved the way for modern day ISREAL............

 

[Kondor3]

American taxpayers are forced to pay billions of dollars to Israel...

We give a LOT of people foreign (and large-scale) military aid...

United States foreign aid - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Including Egypt, Pakistan, etc.

And, much of Israel's foreign military aid comes back to the US, in the form of credits against orders for Military Purchases from the US, creating jobs, etc., on our end.

... America has suffered through oil embargoes because of Israel...

America has suffered through oil embargoes because Muslim-dominated powers tried to dictate to the United States, whom it may befriend, and whom it may be allies with, and whom it may not.

The Muslim blackmail did not succeed.

...America has fought wars for Israel...

No, it hasn't.

...And what has Israel done for the U.S.?...

It has shared intelligence findings with the United States and it has shared its own commercial and medical and military research results and it has provided a tripwire and pre-arranged staging area and advance-base in the Middle East should we ever need it and it has served as a tuning-range and proving ground for many US weapons systems.

Just to get warmed up... somebody else can expand upon that list for us.

...In gratitude the Israelis have conducted damaging spy operations against the U.S...

Yep... major powers tend to do that to each other... hell... look at us, versus the Germans, and French, and British, and that very, very recently, right?

...and sold advanced weapons to our most dangerous adversaries...

True. When the Obama Administration serves-up its latest anti-Israeli hissy-fit, the Israelis DO tend to take care of themselves first, and us second.

...American interests are not served by propping up apartheid Israel...

Israel is not an Apartheid state, regardless of how many pissants in the Old Ladies' Debating Society (a.k.a. the UN) in thrall to Islam, would like to portray it that way.

...Our politicians are bribed to betray our country and put Israel first...

No, they aren't.

They are openly lobbied.

Much along the lines of the lobbying that other countries engage in, as well, in dealing with our lawmakers.

If you conduct an investigation of foreign lobbying corruption, my guess is that you'll find a great many other countries engaged in unscrupulous lobbying.

Furthermore, I cannot, at the moment, recall an instance wherein an American lawmaker subordinated America's interests to those of Israel, in any substantive fashion.

...American subservience to Israel creates hatred for America throughout the Muslim world, terrorism, instability, and aversion to American ideals and reform.

America is not subservient to Israel.

Israel, on the other hand, is still, to some extent, dependent upon American goodwill, in order to thrive.

As to hatred for America throughout a re-awakening and re-militarizing Islam - shaking itself awake after several centuries under the heel of European Imperialism - Islam hates The West in general, and America in particular, as The West's dominant faction - as much for our modern culture and technical superiority as anything to do with Israel.

Rather, we need to remain on-guard against chickenshit cheese-eating surrender monkeys, and Muslim fifth-columnists, and their Useful Idiots and fellow travelers.

How's that Muslim-centric "Divide and Conquer" strategy workin' out for ya so far, there, Achmed?

 

[montelatici]

What we need is to be on guard against fascists and traitors like Kondor who puts the interest of foreign countries above our own, and is your typical chicken hawk who has never served or seen war.

 

[SAYIT]

What we need is to be on guard against fascists and traitors like Kondor who puts the interest of foreign countries above our own, and is your typical chicken hawk who has never served or seen war.

"We," Monte? Would that be you and all the munchkins living in your (pin)head or you and the rest of your little Nazi cabal here?

 

[montelatici]

What we need is to be on guard against fascists and traitors like Kondor who puts the interest of foreign countries above our own, and is your typical chicken hawk who has never served or seen war.

"We," Monte? Would that be you and all the munchkins living in your (pin)head or you and the rest of your little Nazi cabal here?

You mean the anti-Zionist and anti-Nazi America Firster cabal.

 

[SAYIT]

...So the Nazis had every right to kill Jews?!

Clearly one such as you has no doubt about the legitimacy of his forebear's actions but it is good to see you admit to them.

 

[Kondor3]

What we need is to be on guard against fascists and traitors like Kondor...

Blow it out your ass, Achmed.

...who puts the interest of foreign countries above our own...

Never have.

Never will.

And, seriously, I doubt you're even an American.

....and is your typical chicken hawk...

Given that I am not advocating War, that is highly amusing.

...who has never served...

Two years... US Army... documented elsewhere on this board system.

...or seen war.

True.

Volunteered in wartime.

Got sent to a non-combat foreign theater of operations.

But I showed-up for the party when my country needed help.

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You lie, Achmed.

Now... confine yourself to the subject matter, rather than personal attacks, eh?

 

[montelatici]

No you are the liar, and you were never in the U.S. Army as I was, maybe the IDF.

 

[Kondor3]

What we need is to be on guard against fascists and traitors like Kondor who puts the interest of foreign countries above our own, and is your typical chicken hawk who has never served or seen war.

"We," Monte? Would that be you and all the munchkins living in your (pin)head or you and the rest of your little Nazi cabal here?

Nahhhhh... just the other members of his Radical Muslim sleeper-cell.