Party of No Blocking Doc Fix

[WillowTree]

Cat got yer tongue?

 

[Immanuel]

Not having read this entire thread, yet, let me just ask, is this part of Obama's strategy?

First you push the legislation down the throats of the citizens and then when you have succeeded in that accomplishment, you begin to blame those citizens who told you that you were screwing up, for your own screw ups?

And we all thought the man was a jackass... seems we may have been right.

Immie

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Not having read this entire thread, yet, let me just ask, is this part of Obama's strategy?

First you push the legislation down the throats of the citizens and then when you have succeeded in that accomplishment, you begin to blame those citizens who told you that you were screwing up, for your own screw ups?

And we all thought the man was a jackass... seems we may have been right.

Immie

The way they thought it would work was...
"Oh my God!!!!! I got free healthcare JUST LIKE EUROPE...I'M GOING TO VOTE OBAMA IN FOR ANOTHER 4 YEARS!!!! WHAT A GUY!!!!!

Then reality set in when the price was truly examined....now that criticism is coming his way...he and those who voted for him and his policies lock, stock and barrel...are upset that the entire country isn't in lockstep with their progressive agenda.
One party rule SUCKS...I hope America learned a lesson from this.

 

[Alpha1]

Why do the peckerheads think we can just keep spending money that doesn't exist....
Someday the Piper will have to be paid, ...and who the hell will pay the bill...where will the money come from...?

"Even in the face of public outrage, Democrats are showing either that they just don't get it on this issue of the debt, or that they just don't care," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).

CBO ssys ObamaCare with “doctor fix” will actually add billions to the deficit

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) lost the first floor battle of the healthcare reform debate Wednesday when 12 Democrats and one Independent joined all Republicans to defeat a bill to halt Medicare cuts affecting doctors.
But Reid couldn’t secure enough votes to bring the bill up for debate, with the procedural vote failing 47-53.

“No one should be surprised that the first vote on healthcare reform that Harry Reid brought to the floor adds nearly $250 billion to our already skyrocketing national deficit,” said Michael Steele, chairman of the Republican National Committee.

Miscalculation delivers loss on Medicare doctor's fix for Majority Leader Reid - TheHill.com

 

[Immanuel]

Okay, I'm confused about this:

In his weekly address, Obama said the so-called "doc fix" has been approved by Congress when it was under both Democratic and Republican control. Democrats are looking to prevent a 21 percent cut in payments as part of a broader tax and spending package.

"Some Senate Republicans may even block a vote on this issue," Obama said. "After years of voting to defer these cuts, the other party is now willing to walk away from the needs of our doctors and our seniors."

The Democrats proved with the passing of Health Insurance Reform that the Republicans didn't have the power to stop a mosquito with a can of raid and now they want us to believe that suddenly Republicans have the capability of making or breaking his fiasco?

Immie

 

[WillowTree]

Yes, Immie, that's what the demonRats would have you believe.

 

[boedicca]

Not having read this entire thread, yet, let me just ask, is this part of Obama's strategy?

First you push the legislation down the throats of the citizens and then when you have succeeded in that accomplishment, you begin to blame those citizens who told you that you were screwing up, for your own screw ups?

And we all thought the man was a jackass... seems we may have been right.

Immie

Here's more on his "plan":

Internal White House documents reveal that 51% of employers may have to relinquish their current health care coverage by 2013 due to ObamaCare. That numbers soars to 66% for small-business employers.

The documents — product of a joint project of the Labor Department, the Health and Human Services Department and the IRS — examine the effects new regulations would have on existing, or “grandfathered,” employer-based health care plans.

Draft copies of the documents were reportedly leaked to House Republicans earlier in the week. Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla., posted them on his Web site Friday afternoon. (View the full report here.)

Under interim regulations, current employer-based coverage would not be grandfathered and hence subject to the health care laws’ consumer provisions if:

* The plan eliminates benefits related to diagnosis or treatment of a particular condition.

* The plan increases the percentage of a cost-sharing requirement (such as co-insurance) above the level at which it was on March 23, 2010.

* The plan increases the fixed amount of cost sharing such as deductibles or out-of-pocket limits by a total percentage measured from March 23, 2010, that is more than the sum of medical inflation plus 15 percentage points.

* The plan increases co-payments as a total percentage measured from March 23, 2010, that is more than the sum of medical inflation plus 15 percentage points or medical inflation plus $5.

* The employer’s share of the premium decreases more than 5 percentage points below what the share was on March 23, 2010.

According to the report, by 2013 51% of all employers — 66% of small employers (3-99 employees) and 45% of large employers — would have to relinquish current coverage. In a worst-case scenario, 69% of firms would lose their grandfathered status.

Administration: 51% Of Companies? Health Plans Won?t Pass Muster


It's becoming increasingly transparent that the goal of ObamaCare Phase I was to trick the public with budget gimmicks in order to enable the Feds to kill of private plans...softening the them up for Single Payer once the private plans are destroyed.

 

[boedicca]

Why do the peckerheads think we can just keep spending money that doesn't exist....
Someday the Piper will have to be paid, ...and who the hell will pay the bill...where will the money come from...?

"Even in the face of public outrage, Democrats are showing either that they just don't get it on this issue of the debt, or that they just don't care," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).

CBO ssys ObamaCare with “doctor fix” will actually add billions to the deficit

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) lost the first floor battle of the healthcare reform debate Wednesday when 12 Democrats and one Independent joined all Republicans to defeat a bill to halt Medicare cuts affecting doctors.
But Reid couldn’t secure enough votes to bring the bill up for debate, with the procedural vote failing 47-53.

“No one should be surprised that the first vote on healthcare reform that Harry Reid brought to the floor adds nearly $250 billion to our already skyrocketing national deficit,” said Michael Steele, chairman of the Republican National Committee.

Miscalculation delivers loss on Medicare doctor's fix for Majority Leader Reid - TheHill.com

Well. Duh. That's why Pelosi and Reid removed the Doc Fix from the ObamaCare bill in the first place.

 

[Immanuel]

Not having read this entire thread, yet, let me just ask, is this part of Obama's strategy?

First you push the legislation down the throats of the citizens and then when you have succeeded in that accomplishment, you begin to blame those citizens who told you that you were screwing up, for your own screw ups?

And we all thought the man was a jackass... seems we may have been right.

Immie

Here's more on his "plan":

Internal White House documents reveal that 51% of employers may have to relinquish their current health care coverage by 2013 due to ObamaCare. That numbers soars to 66% for small-business employers.

The documents — product of a joint project of the Labor Department, the Health and Human Services Department and the IRS — examine the effects new regulations would have on existing, or “grandfathered,” employer-based health care plans.

Draft copies of the documents were reportedly leaked to House Republicans earlier in the week. Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla., posted them on his Web site Friday afternoon. (View the full report here.)

Under interim regulations, current employer-based coverage would not be grandfathered and hence subject to the health care laws’ consumer provisions if:

* The plan eliminates benefits related to diagnosis or treatment of a particular condition.

* The plan increases the percentage of a cost-sharing requirement (such as co-insurance) above the level at which it was on March 23, 2010.

* The plan increases the fixed amount of cost sharing such as deductibles or out-of-pocket limits by a total percentage measured from March 23, 2010, that is more than the sum of medical inflation plus 15 percentage points.

* The plan increases co-payments as a total percentage measured from March 23, 2010, that is more than the sum of medical inflation plus 15 percentage points or medical inflation plus $5.

* The employer’s share of the premium decreases more than 5 percentage points below what the share was on March 23, 2010.

According to the report, by 2013 51% of all employers — 66% of small employers (3-99 employees) and 45% of large employers — would have to relinquish current coverage. In a worst-case scenario, 69% of firms would lose their grandfathered status.

Administration: 51% Of Companies? Health Plans Won?t Pass Muster


It's becoming increasingly transparent that the goal of ObamaCare Phase I was to trick the public with budget gimmicks in order to enable the Feds to kill of private plans...softening the them up for Single Payer once the private plans are destroyed.

So, how long before they start blaming Republicans if 51% of employers don't qualify and their employees end up sucking off the government's tit... oh wait, wasn't that the stated goal of this bill in the first place?

The blame will come when employers get pissed off about it and start screaming, then they will blame Republicans.

Immie

 

[boedicca]

That's an interesting question.

Who will the employers and employees blame when the Government rigs the legislation and regs so that private plans don't qualify? They people who sponsored the legislation or the ones that opposed it in the first place?

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Not having read this entire thread, yet, let me just ask, is this part of Obama's strategy?

First you push the legislation down the throats of the citizens and then when you have succeeded in that accomplishment, you begin to blame those citizens who told you that you were screwing up, for your own screw ups?

And we all thought the man was a jackass... seems we may have been right.

Immie

Here's more on his "plan":

Internal White House documents reveal that 51% of employers may have to relinquish their current health care coverage by 2013 due to ObamaCare. That numbers soars to 66% for small-business employers.

The documents — product of a joint project of the Labor Department, the Health and Human Services Department and the IRS — examine the effects new regulations would have on existing, or “grandfathered,” employer-based health care plans.

Draft copies of the documents were reportedly leaked to House Republicans earlier in the week. Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla., posted them on his Web site Friday afternoon. (View the full report here.)

Under interim regulations, current employer-based coverage would not be grandfathered and hence subject to the health care laws’ consumer provisions if:

* The plan eliminates benefits related to diagnosis or treatment of a particular condition.

* The plan increases the percentage of a cost-sharing requirement (such as co-insurance) above the level at which it was on March 23, 2010.

* The plan increases the fixed amount of cost sharing such as deductibles or out-of-pocket limits by a total percentage measured from March 23, 2010, that is more than the sum of medical inflation plus 15 percentage points.

* The plan increases co-payments as a total percentage measured from March 23, 2010, that is more than the sum of medical inflation plus 15 percentage points or medical inflation plus $5.

* The employer’s share of the premium decreases more than 5 percentage points below what the share was on March 23, 2010.

According to the report, by 2013 51% of all employers — 66% of small employers (3-99 employees) and 45% of large employers — would have to relinquish current coverage. In a worst-case scenario, 69% of firms would lose their grandfathered status.

Administration: 51% Of Companies? Health Plans Won?t Pass Muster


It's becoming increasingly transparent that the goal of ObamaCare Phase I was to trick the public with budget gimmicks in order to enable the Feds to kill of private plans...softening the them up for Single Payer once the private plans are destroyed.

So, how long before they start blaming Republicans if 51% of employers don't qualify and their employees end up sucking off the government's tit... oh wait, wasn't that the stated goal of this bill in the first place?

The blame will come when employers get pissed off about it and start screaming, then they will blame Republicans.

Immie

Funny you should mention this...many companies will adopt this as a cost savings measure...it's cheaper to pay the now reduced fine than to insure their workers.

 

[Immanuel]

Here's more on his "plan":

Internal White House documents reveal that 51% of employers may have to relinquish their current health care coverage by 2013 due to ObamaCare. That numbers soars to 66% for small-business employers.

The documents — product of a joint project of the Labor Department, the Health and Human Services Department and the IRS — examine the effects new regulations would have on existing, or “grandfathered,” employer-based health care plans.

Draft copies of the documents were reportedly leaked to House Republicans earlier in the week. Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla., posted them on his Web site Friday afternoon. (View the full report here.)

Under interim regulations, current employer-based coverage would not be grandfathered and hence subject to the health care laws’ consumer provisions if:

* The plan eliminates benefits related to diagnosis or treatment of a particular condition.

* The plan increases the percentage of a cost-sharing requirement (such as co-insurance) above the level at which it was on March 23, 2010.

* The plan increases the fixed amount of cost sharing such as deductibles or out-of-pocket limits by a total percentage measured from March 23, 2010, that is more than the sum of medical inflation plus 15 percentage points.

* The plan increases co-payments as a total percentage measured from March 23, 2010, that is more than the sum of medical inflation plus 15 percentage points or medical inflation plus $5.

* The employer’s share of the premium decreases more than 5 percentage points below what the share was on March 23, 2010.

According to the report, by 2013 51% of all employers — 66% of small employers (3-99 employees) and 45% of large employers — would have to relinquish current coverage. In a worst-case scenario, 69% of firms would lose their grandfathered status.

Administration: 51% Of Companies? Health Plans Won?t Pass Muster


It's becoming increasingly transparent that the goal of ObamaCare Phase I was to trick the public with budget gimmicks in order to enable the Feds to kill of private plans...softening the them up for Single Payer once the private plans are destroyed.

So, how long before they start blaming Republicans if 51% of employers don't qualify and their employees end up sucking off the government's tit... oh wait, wasn't that the stated goal of this bill in the first place?

The blame will come when employers get pissed off about it and start screaming, then they will blame Republicans.

Immie

Funny you should mention this...many companies will adopt this as a cost savings measure...it's cheaper to pay the now reduced fine than to insure their workers.

Honestly, I don't blame them. It makes sense. Health Insurance benefits have been killing the small business for a long time. This will provide a cheap(er) way out. But then, when employees find out that the coverage is mediocre or worse? Then the proverbial shit will hit the fan.

Immie

 

[WillowTree]

who will the demonRats blame when they have to wait 6 months to see a Dr.?

 

[boedicca]

ObamaCare is just another transfer payment program which will hit the working and middle classes particularly hard.

 

[boedicca]

who will the demonRats blame when they have to wait 6 months to see a Dr.?

Easy: they'll blame BOOOOOOOOSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jillian]

thank you for proving, once again, that you haven't an independent thought in your little hack minds.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Okay, I'm confused about this:

In his weekly address, Obama said the so-called "doc fix" has been approved by Congress when it was under both Democratic and Republican control. Democrats are looking to prevent a 21 percent cut in payments as part of a broader tax and spending package.

"Some Senate Republicans may even block a vote on this issue," Obama said. "After years of voting to defer these cuts, the other party is now willing to walk away from the needs of our doctors and our seniors."

The Democrats proved with the passing of Health Insurance Reform that the Republicans didn't have the power to stop a mosquito with a can of raid and now they want us to believe that suddenly Republicans have the capability of making or breaking his fiasco?

Immie

Republicans have super powers, now.

 

[jillian]

Okay, I'm confused about this:

In his weekly address, Obama said the so-called "doc fix" has been approved by Congress when it was under both Democratic and Republican control. Democrats are looking to prevent a 21 percent cut in payments as part of a broader tax and spending package.

"Some Senate Republicans may even block a vote on this issue," Obama said. "After years of voting to defer these cuts, the other party is now willing to walk away from the needs of our doctors and our seniors."

The Democrats proved with the passing of Health Insurance Reform that the Republicans didn't have the power to stop a mosquito with a can of raid and now they want us to believe that suddenly Republicans have the capability of making or breaking his fiasco?

Immie

Republicans have super powers, now.

you not understand the process the repubs are using?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The exact same one that did not work to stop the health care fiasco.

 

[WillowTree]

Okay, I'm confused about this:

The Democrats proved with the passing of Health Insurance Reform that the Republicans didn't have the power to stop a mosquito with a can of raid and now they want us to believe that suddenly Republicans have the capability of making or breaking his fiasco?

Immie

Republicans have super powers, now.

you not understand the process the repubs are using?

51 votes is all it takes. 51