Palin slams W.H. on Libya response

[ABikerSailor]

Here's the problem with flying over Libyan airspace and shooting down planes...........

It's their airspace. The only way we could possibly get a no-fly zone is to get all the NATO countries to agree to it.

If we fly into their airspace with the intention of shooting down aircraft without NATO approval, it's considered an act of war.

I wish you hawkish civvies would understand that there are rules the military has to follow. You can't just fly into a country and start shooting.

 

[kaz]

As though she hasn't already marginalized herself enough.

Don't you like how the Left wants to support the people in overthrowing Egypt, but they're mum on Libya. The Right wants to overthrow Qaddafi, but not Egypt. To few people want to stay out of both of them. Meanwhile our troops remain in the Middle East a target

 

[hylandrdet]

Sarah Palin is accusing the White House of not showing enough support for the people of Libya still protesting against Muammar Qadhafi.

On her Facebook page Tuesday night, Palin said that it is “a little perplexing” to watch the administration’s reaction to events in the Middle East.

“There was a statement on the horrible earthquake in New Zealand, and certainly our hearts go out to all those affected by this horrible natural disaster," Palin wrote. "But nothing on the slaughter in Libya?”

As on Egypt, White House officials have been careful to not lean too far forward in voicing their preferred outcome in a far-from-resolved conflict. But Palin criticized President Barack Obama’s restraint, writing that “now is the time to speak out.”

Palin highlighted Qadhafi’s ties to past acts of terrorism in characterizing the longtime Libyan dictator as “Osama before Osama hit the scene.”

The former Alaska governor also suggested that NATO establish “a no-fly zone so Libyan air forces cannot continue slaughtering the Libyan people.”



Read more: Palin slams W.H. on Libya response - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com

You mean the same NATO that the Republican party wanted to get rid of, along with the UN?

Really...?

We're in "sit down, shut up and watch" mode. Deal with it.

 

[kaz]

You mean the same NATO that the Republican party wanted to get rid of, along with the UN?

Really...?

We're in "sit down, shut up and watch" mode. Deal with it.

You're in a make it up as you go mode. Provide a link for this.

 

[hylandrdet]

You mean the same NATO that the Republican party wanted to get rid of, along with the UN?

Really...?

We're in "sit down, shut up and watch" mode. Deal with it.

You're in a make it up as you go mode. Provide a link for this.

Don't need a link, that's my opinion.

 

[Missourian]

Here's the problem with flying over Libyan airspace and shooting down planes...........

It's their airspace. The only way we could possibly get a no-fly zone is to get all the NATO countries to agree to it.

If we fly into their airspace with the intention of shooting down aircraft without NATO approval, it's considered an act of war.

I wish you hawkish civvies would understand that there are rules the military has to follow. You can't just fly into a country and start shooting.

First, I'm a Veteran.

Second, I know we can do it...because we've done it before.

The United States bombing of Libya (code-named Operation El Dorado Canyon) comprised the joint United States Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps air-strikes against Libya on April 15, 1986. The attack was carried out in response to the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing.
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Bombing of Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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[kaz]

You mean the same NATO that the Republican party wanted to get rid of, along with the UN?

Really...?

We're in "sit down, shut up and watch" mode. Deal with it.

You're in a make it up as you go mode. Provide a link for this.

Don't need a link, that's my opinion.

Sorry for the make it up as you go mode then, you're in pull it out of your ass mode. Republicans support Nato. Then again, never let facts stand in the way of a good, liberal argument. Now the UN I'm against and totally for withdrawing from. Dictators voting is not a Democracy. The problem with too many Republicans is they don't want to leave the UN.

But on Republicans wanting to leave NATO you are just completely full of shit

 

[hylandrdet]

Here's the problem with flying over Libyan airspace and shooting down planes...........

It's their airspace. The only way we could possibly get a no-fly zone is to get all the NATO countries to agree to it.

If we fly into their airspace with the intention of shooting down aircraft without NATO approval, it's considered an act of war.

I wish you hawkish civvies would understand that there are rules the military has to follow. You can't just fly into a country and start shooting.

First, I'm a Veteran.

Second, I know we can do it...because we've done it before.

The United States bombing of Libya (code-named Operation El Dorado Canyon) comprised the joint United States Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps air-strikes against Libya on April 15, 1986. The attack was carried out in response to the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing.
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Bombing of Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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So now that you know that we won't get the votes to authorize such an attack, does my opinion stink now?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Here's the problem with flying over Libyan airspace and shooting down planes...........

It's their airspace. The only way we could possibly get a no-fly zone is to get all the NATO countries to agree to it.

If we fly into their airspace with the intention of shooting down aircraft without NATO approval, it's considered an act of war.

I wish you hawkish civvies would understand that there are rules the military has to follow. You can't just fly into a country and start shooting.

First, I'm a Veteran.

Second, I know we can do it...because we've done it before.

The United States bombing of Libya (code-named Operation El Dorado Canyon) comprised the joint United States Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps air-strikes against Libya on April 15, 1986. The attack was carried out in response to the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing.
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Bombing of Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I know..........my squadron was the one that did the shooting..........

In March 1986 during Freedom of Navigation exercises in the Gulf of Sidra, the squadron’s aircraft flew Combat Air Patrols during which a Libyan SA-5 Gammon missile was fired against an American aircraft operating in international waters. On 14–15 April 1986, squadron aircraft participated in Operation El Dorado Canyon, along with other units of CVW-13 and A-7 Corsair IIs from CVW-1, providing air-to-surface Shrike and HARM strikes against Libyan surface-to-air missile sites at Benghazi. This was the first use of the F/A-18 in combat.

VFA-131 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm a U.S. Navy retiree.

But the bottom line was that Libya did something to us FIRST, and the bombing was in response to a disco bombing where US troops were known to frequent.

Libya hasn't done anything to the United States yet. All they've done is go against their own people. If they did attack, then and only then would we have the authority to fly in.

Until Libya attacks us, we would need NATO approval to get the no-fly zone.

 

[Missourian]

Here's the problem with flying over Libyan airspace and shooting down planes...........

It's their airspace. The only way we could possibly get a no-fly zone is to get all the NATO countries to agree to it.

If we fly into their airspace with the intention of shooting down aircraft without NATO approval, it's considered an act of war.

I wish you hawkish civvies would understand that there are rules the military has to follow. You can't just fly into a country and start shooting.

First, I'm a Veteran.

Second, I know we can do it...because we've done it before.

The United States bombing of Libya (code-named Operation El Dorado Canyon) comprised the joint United States Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps air-strikes against Libya on April 15, 1986. The attack was carried out in response to the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing.
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Bombing of Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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So now that you know that we won't get the votes to authorize such an attack, does my opinion stink now?

Your ignorance is showing.

We acted unilaterally AND the UN condemned the attack.

International response

The attack was condemned by many countries. By a vote of 79 in favor to 28 against with 33 abstentions, the United Nations General Assembly adopted resolution 41/38 which "condemns the military attack perpetrated against the Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya on 15 April 1986, which constitutes a violation of the Charter of the United Nations and of international law."[20]

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[Missourian]

Here's the problem with flying over Libyan airspace and shooting down planes...........

It's their airspace. The only way we could possibly get a no-fly zone is to get all the NATO countries to agree to it.

If we fly into their airspace with the intention of shooting down aircraft without NATO approval, it's considered an act of war.

I wish you hawkish civvies would understand that there are rules the military has to follow. You can't just fly into a country and start shooting.

First, I'm a Veteran.

Second, I know we can do it...because we've done it before.

The United States bombing of Libya (code-named Operation El Dorado Canyon) comprised the joint United States Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps air-strikes against Libya on April 15, 1986. The attack was carried out in response to the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing.
​

Bombing of Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
​

I know..........my squadron was the one that did the shooting..........

In March 1986 during Freedom of Navigation exercises in the Gulf of Sidra, the squadron’s aircraft flew Combat Air Patrols during which a Libyan SA-5 Gammon missile was fired against an American aircraft operating in international waters. On 14–15 April 1986, squadron aircraft participated in Operation El Dorado Canyon, along with other units of CVW-13 and A-7 Corsair IIs from CVW-1, providing air-to-surface Shrike and HARM strikes against Libyan surface-to-air missile sites at Benghazi. This was the first use of the F/A-18 in combat.

VFA-131 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm a U.S. Navy retiree.

But the bottom line was that Libya did something to us FIRST, and the bombing was in response to a disco bombing where US troops were known to frequent.

Libya hasn't done anything to the United States yet. All they've done is go against their own people. If they did attack, then and only then would we have the authority to fly in.

Until Libya attacks us, we would need NATO approval to get the no-fly zone.

Legally you may be right about that.

Personally, I rather do what's right and beg forgiveness than ask permission and have my hands tied.

 

[ABikerSailor]

First, I'm a Veteran.

Second, I know we can do it...because we've done it before.

The United States bombing of Libya (code-named Operation El Dorado Canyon) comprised the joint United States Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps air-strikes against Libya on April 15, 1986. The attack was carried out in response to the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing.
​

Bombing of Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
​

I know..........my squadron was the one that did the shooting..........

In March 1986 during Freedom of Navigation exercises in the Gulf of Sidra, the squadron’s aircraft flew Combat Air Patrols during which a Libyan SA-5 Gammon missile was fired against an American aircraft operating in international waters. On 14–15 April 1986, squadron aircraft participated in Operation El Dorado Canyon, along with other units of CVW-13 and A-7 Corsair IIs from CVW-1, providing air-to-surface Shrike and HARM strikes against Libyan surface-to-air missile sites at Benghazi. This was the first use of the F/A-18 in combat.

VFA-131 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm a U.S. Navy retiree.

But the bottom line was that Libya did something to us FIRST, and the bombing was in response to a disco bombing where US troops were known to frequent.

Libya hasn't done anything to the United States yet. All they've done is go against their own people. If they did attack, then and only then would we have the authority to fly in.

Until Libya attacks us, we would need NATO approval to get the no-fly zone.

Legally you may be right about that.

Personally, I rather do what's right and beg forgiveness than ask permission and have my hands tied.

Hey stupid........you DO realize that we are a nation of laws, right?

And.........."doing what's right"? By whose definition, yours? If we break the law and fly into Libya without NATO approval, or being attacked by them, it's a declaration of war.

Libya is a Muslim country. If we declared war on Libya without justification, we'd end up fighting the whole Middle East.

 

[Missourian]

I know..........my squadron was the one that did the shooting..........

VFA-131 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm a U.S. Navy retiree.

But the bottom line was that Libya did something to us FIRST, and the bombing was in response to a disco bombing where US troops were known to frequent.

Libya hasn't done anything to the United States yet. All they've done is go against their own people. If they did attack, then and only then would we have the authority to fly in.

Until Libya attacks us, we would need NATO approval to get the no-fly zone.

Legally you may be right about that.

Personally, I rather do what's right and beg forgiveness than ask permission and have my hands tied.

Hey stupid........you DO realize that we are a nation of laws, right?

And.........."doing what's right"? By whose definition, yours? If we break the law and fly into Libya without NATO approval, or being attacked by them, it's a declaration of war.

Libya is a Muslim country. If we declared war on Libya without justification, we'd end up fighting the whole Middle East.

According to the international community, we broke the law in 1986.

Wow, that really came back to haunt us, didn't it.

We unilaterally flew into Libyan airspace and bombed their country and NOTHING HAPPENED.

Go back, regroup, and try again.

Explain your theory why we could break international law, be condemned by the UN, and NATO, were refused overflight of NATO countries...but this is different.

Think twice, type once.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Legally you may be right about that.

Personally, I rather do what's right and beg forgiveness than ask permission and have my hands tied.

Hey stupid........you DO realize that we are a nation of laws, right?

And.........."doing what's right"? By whose definition, yours? If we break the law and fly into Libya without NATO approval, or being attacked by them, it's a declaration of war.

Libya is a Muslim country. If we declared war on Libya without justification, we'd end up fighting the whole Middle East.

According to the international community, we broke the law in 1986.

Wow, that really came back to haunt us, didn't it.

We unilaterally flew into Libyan airspace and bombed their country and NOTHING HAPPENED.

Go back, regroup, and try again.

Explain your theory why we could break international law, be condemned by the UN, and NATO, were refused overflight of NATO countries...but this is different.

Think twice, type once.

Try reading comprehension you idiot. First, there was the bombing of a disco in Germany (I think) that was frequented by many US servicemembers, resulting in several of their deaths.

Then........one month prior to firing at Libya (read my post about VFA-131), they were fired at by a Libyan missile.

And.........there's also the fact that the entire ME is up in arms about the US because of the fiasco known as Iraq, as well as our current operations in Pakistan.

You think Abu-Grahib got people motivated against the US? Try attacking an Islamic country without any kind of provocation.

What service were you in and how long were you in, because it sure as shit sounds like you forgot all about the Geneva conventions, as well as the ROE.

 

[bodecea]

Legally you may be right about that.

Personally, I rather do what's right and beg forgiveness than ask permission and have my hands tied.

Hey stupid........you DO realize that we are a nation of laws, right?

And.........."doing what's right"? By whose definition, yours? If we break the law and fly into Libya without NATO approval, or being attacked by them, it's a declaration of war.

Libya is a Muslim country. If we declared war on Libya without justification, we'd end up fighting the whole Middle East.

According to the international community, we broke the law in 1986.

Wow, that really came back to haunt us, didn't it.

We unilaterally flew into Libyan airspace and bombed their country and NOTHING HAPPENED.

Go back, regroup, and try again.

Explain your theory why we could break international law, be condemned by the UN, and NATO, were refused overflight of NATO countries...but this is different.

Think twice, type once.

We bombed Libya in 1986?????

 

[Dr.Drock]

For the same reason we should have protected the Tutsi in Rwanda.

Because murder is murder and if you have the ability to stop murder, you have a responsibility to do so.

So in other words you want your income taxes doubled so that the US military can be big enough to prevent a murder from ever happening around the world?

Don't worry we're going in that direction, if your grandchildren share your view they'll be ecstatic.

You should learn to read for comprehension.

We have the ability. The money's been spent.

Please, in the future...Think twice, type once.

I don't understand why the US taxpayer is financially responsible to prevent murder around the world. Does it say this in the Constitution? I sure as hell don't want money taken out of my check in order to save the chinese from the chinese or the rwandans from the rwandans.

Give me a tax cut and give me the option of donating to charitable causes to help people, rather than demanding I give my money to government in hopes of saving poor people abroad (a very liberal philosophy btw).

 

[MichIndy]

As though she hasn't already marginalized herself enough.

Don't you like how the Left wants to support the people in overthrowing Egypt, but they're mum on Libya. The Right wants to overthrow Qaddafi, but not Egypt. To few people want to stay out of both of them. Meanwhile our troops remain in the Middle East a target

First i read this little nugget of wisdom -- The problem is that Obama is a clueless dolt, whose only real expertise is working with the chicago political machine to get ahead.

then the one quoted above -- too few people want to stay out of both of them. <--------- this one of course being correct

We should stay out of both of them. Let the situation develop.
And Palin's input on anything outside of Wasilla Wal-Mart floor space arrangement means nothing. She wants a stronger response on Egypt and Libya? Like what?? send in troops?? validate one side or the other by advocating their position?? Obama is doing what he should and letting the people of those countries voice their opinion. Granted it is opinion that sometimes come riding in on horseback or is solidified with a gun or 13, but that is how it is. Not every part of the world has the capacity or capability of "peaceful" protest.
Egyptians were probably "peacefully" protesting for 30 years, but it took an 18 day onslaught of support to get a change in leadership and Libya is no different. But instead of a frail 82-year-old leader, Libyans get a leader who has probably been itching for a fight for decades, even if it is against his own people.

But hey, those cheap shots at Obama really do hit the mark tho. Genius

 

[Missourian]

Hey stupid........you DO realize that we are a nation of laws, right?

And.........."doing what's right"? By whose definition, yours? If we break the law and fly into Libya without NATO approval, or being attacked by them, it's a declaration of war.

Libya is a Muslim country. If we declared war on Libya without justification, we'd end up fighting the whole Middle East.

According to the international community, we broke the law in 1986.

Wow, that really came back to haunt us, didn't it.

We unilaterally flew into Libyan airspace and bombed their country and NOTHING HAPPENED.

Go back, regroup, and try again.

Explain your theory why we could break international law, be condemned by the UN, and NATO, were refused overflight of NATO countries...but this is different.

Think twice, type once.

Try reading comprehension you idiot. First, there was the bombing of a disco in Germany (I think) that was frequented by many US servicemembers, resulting in several of their deaths.

Then........one month prior to firing at Libya (read my post about VFA-131), they were fired at by a Libyan missile.

And.........there's also the fact that the entire ME is up in arms about the US because of the fiasco known as Iraq, as well as our current operations in Pakistan.

You think Abu-Grahib got people motivated against the US? Try attacking an Islamic country without any kind of provocation.

What service were you in and how long were you in, because it sure as shit sounds like you forgot all about the Geneva conventions, as well as the ROE.

This is your best argument.


The U.S. invaded Grenada with zero provocation. It was condemned by the UN and NATO countries. Congressional investigations cleared the US of any wrong doing and that was the end of it.

How it would be spun does give me pause...but Gaddafi has gone on National Television and blamed Bin Laden.

Hard to imagine anyone believing the U.S. and Bin Laden being allies.

Understand my position, I don't want to take sides or declare war...I want to stop Libyan aircraft from strafing unarmed civilians...no bombs, no boots on the ground. Defending civilians only.

A Humanitarian mission.

 

[Missourian]

Hey stupid........you DO realize that we are a nation of laws, right?

And.........."doing what's right"? By whose definition, yours? If we break the law and fly into Libya without NATO approval, or being attacked by them, it's a declaration of war.

Libya is a Muslim country. If we declared war on Libya without justification, we'd end up fighting the whole Middle East.

According to the international community, we broke the law in 1986.

Wow, that really came back to haunt us, didn't it.

We unilaterally flew into Libyan airspace and bombed their country and NOTHING HAPPENED.

Go back, regroup, and try again.

Explain your theory why we could break international law, be condemned by the UN, and NATO, were refused overflight of NATO countries...but this is different.

Think twice, type once.

We bombed Libya in 1986?????

Yes.

The United States bombing of Libya (code-named Operation El Dorado Canyon) comprised the joint United States Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps air-strikes against Libya on April 15, 1986. The attack was carried out in response to the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing.​

 

[ABikerSailor]

According to the international community, we broke the law in 1986.

Wow, that really came back to haunt us, didn't it.

We unilaterally flew into Libyan airspace and bombed their country and NOTHING HAPPENED.

Go back, regroup, and try again.

Explain your theory why we could break international law, be condemned by the UN, and NATO, were refused overflight of NATO countries...but this is different.

Think twice, type once.

Try reading comprehension you idiot. First, there was the bombing of a disco in Germany (I think) that was frequented by many US servicemembers, resulting in several of their deaths.

Then........one month prior to firing at Libya (read my post about VFA-131), they were fired at by a Libyan missile.

And.........there's also the fact that the entire ME is up in arms about the US because of the fiasco known as Iraq, as well as our current operations in Pakistan.

You think Abu-Grahib got people motivated against the US? Try attacking an Islamic country without any kind of provocation.

What service were you in and how long were you in, because it sure as shit sounds like you forgot all about the Geneva conventions, as well as the ROE.

This is your best argument.


The U.S. invaded Grenada with zero provocation. It was condemned by the UN and NATO countries. Congressional investigations cleared the US of any wrong doing and that was the end of it.

How it would be spun does give me pause...but Gaddafi has gone on National Television and blamed Bin Laden.

Hard to imagine anyone believing the U.S. and Bin Laden being allies.

Understand my position, I don't want to take sides or declare war...I want to stop Libyan aircraft from strafing unarmed civilians...no bombs, no boots on the ground. Defending civilians only.

A Humanitarian mission.

What part of "the world has changed significantly" since 1986 do you keep missing?

This is nothing like Grenada.

And.......besides........there were US citizens there who were being attacked.

Like I said.........brush up on the Geneva Conventions and the Rules of Engagement and then maybe you'll have some understanding of the situation.