Palin slams W.H. on Libya response

[Missourian]

So in other words you want your income taxes doubled so that the US military can be big enough to prevent a murder from ever happening around the world?

Don't worry we're going in that direction, if your grandchildren share your view they'll be ecstatic.

You should learn to read for comprehension.

We have the ability. The money's been spent.

Please, in the future...Think twice, type once.

I don't understand why the US taxpayer is financially responsible to prevent murder around the world. Does it say this in the Constitution? I sure as hell don't want money taken out of my check in order to save the chinese from the chinese or the rwandans from the rwandans.

Give me a tax cut and give me the option of donating to charitable causes to help people, rather than demanding I give my money to government in hopes of saving poor people abroad (a very liberal philosophy btw).

Ya, I know, we all have our cross to bear.

 

[Dr.Drock]

You should learn to read for comprehension.

We have the ability. The money's been spent.

Please, in the future...Think twice, type once.

I don't understand why the US taxpayer is financially responsible to prevent murder around the world. Does it say this in the Constitution? I sure as hell don't want money taken out of my check in order to save the chinese from the chinese or the rwandans from the rwandans.

Give me a tax cut and give me the option of donating to charitable causes to help people, rather than demanding I give my money to government in hopes of saving poor people abroad (a very liberal philosophy btw).

Ya, I know, we all have our cross to bear.

That's it? Can you address the rest of it plz?

 

[Missourian]

I don't understand why the US taxpayer is financially responsible to prevent murder around the world. Does it say this in the Constitution? I sure as hell don't want money taken out of my check in order to save the chinese from the chinese or the rwandans from the rwandans.

Give me a tax cut and give me the option of donating to charitable causes to help people, rather than demanding I give my money to government in hopes of saving poor people abroad (a very liberal philosophy btw).

Ya, I know, we all have our cross to bear.

That's it? Can you address the rest of it plz?

I've already addressed it Drock...the money's spent...the carriers and planes are bought and paid for. We have a Mediterranean Fleet. The fuel is being burned whether we use it in this humanitarian endeavor or not. Planes are going to fly off that deck. If you want a refund on your share of the missiles and bullets, post your address and I'll mail you a penny....spend it wisely.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Ya, I know, we all have our cross to bear.

That's it? Can you address the rest of it plz?

I've already addressed it Drock...the money's spent...the carriers and planes are bought and paid for. We have a Mediterranean Fleet. The fuel is being burned whether we use it in this humanitarian endeavor or not. Planes are going to fly off that deck. If you want a refund on your share of the missiles and bullets, post your address and I'll mail you a penny....spend it wisely.

Well then why do wars cost more money if we already have everything? Why do our war and defense budgets skyrocket in war times?

Good mockery though, making jokes is about the only way to rationalize the disaster that is our gov't and the out of control military spending.

 

[hylandrdet]

First, I'm a Veteran.

Second, I know we can do it...because we've done it before.

The United States bombing of Libya (code-named Operation El Dorado Canyon) comprised the joint United States Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps air-strikes against Libya on April 15, 1986. The attack was carried out in response to the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing.
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Bombing of Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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So now that you know that we won't get the votes to authorize such an attack, does my opinion stink now?

Your ignorance is showing.

We acted unilaterally AND the UN condemned the attack.

International response

The attack was condemned by many countries. By a vote of 79 in favor to 28 against with 33 abstentions, the United Nations General Assembly adopted resolution 41/38 which "condemns the military attack perpetrated against the Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya on 15 April 1986, which constitutes a violation of the Charter of the United Nations and of international law."[20]

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Your ignorance is showing. Today is Feb 24 2011, not 15 April 1986!!!

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/156761-my-problem-with-sarah-palin.html

 

[ABikerSailor]

Ya, I know, we all have our cross to bear.

That's it? Can you address the rest of it plz?

I've already addressed it Drock...the money's spent...the carriers and planes are bought and paid for. We have a Mediterranean Fleet. The fuel is being burned whether we use it in this humanitarian endeavor or not. Planes are going to fly off that deck. If you want a refund on your share of the missiles and bullets, post your address and I'll mail you a penny....spend it wisely.

Apparently, you've never served in the US Navy. It costs roughly 1 million/day to keep a carrier operating and functioning. I know.......I've served on 2 of 'em.

Combine that with their transit of the Suez (yeah, I've been through it 2 times, 1 time while onboard a carrier, the flight deck is actually hanging over land), which probably means that they were heading to the Persian Gulf, which means that the Battle Group Admiral probably can't take time out to shoot down the planes you want.

And......like I said.......there's the Geneva Conventions as well as the established ROE that have to be taken into consideration as well.

What service were you in again, and how many years did you serve?

 

[hylandrdet]

That's it? Can you address the rest of it plz?

I've already addressed it Drock...the money's spent...the carriers and planes are bought and paid for. We have a Mediterranean Fleet. The fuel is being burned whether we use it in this humanitarian endeavor or not. Planes are going to fly off that deck. If you want a refund on your share of the missiles and bullets, post your address and I'll mail you a penny....spend it wisely.

Apparently, you've never served in the US Navy. It costs roughly 1 million/day to keep a carrier operating and functioning. I know.......I've served on 2 of 'em.

Combine that with their transit of the Suez (yeah, I've been through it 2 times, 1 time while onboard a carrier, the flight deck is actually hanging over land), which probably means that they were heading to the Persian Gulf, which means that the Battle Group Admiral probably can't take time out to shoot down the planes you want.

And......like I said.......there's the Geneva Conventions as well as the established ROE that have to be taken into consideration as well.

What service were you in again, and how many years did you serve?

I can't speak for him, but I'm Army, former vet, 94th ENGR BN and I say STFU Sarah Palin.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/156761-my-problem-with-sarah-palin.html

 

[Missourian]

That's it? Can you address the rest of it plz?

I've already addressed it Drock...the money's spent...the carriers and planes are bought and paid for. We have a Mediterranean Fleet. The fuel is being burned whether we use it in this humanitarian endeavor or not. Planes are going to fly off that deck. If you want a refund on your share of the missiles and bullets, post your address and I'll mail you a penny....spend it wisely.

Apparently, you've never served in the US Navy. It costs roughly 1 million/day to keep a carrier operating and functioning. I know.......I've served on 2 of 'em.

Combine that with their transit of the Suez (yeah, I've been through it 2 times, 1 time while onboard a carrier, the flight deck is actually hanging over land), which probably means that they were heading to the Persian Gulf, which means that the Battle Group Admiral probably can't take time out to shoot down the planes you want.

And......like I said.......there's the Geneva Conventions as well as the established ROE that have to be taken into consideration as well.

What service were you in again, and how many years did you serve?

Of course when were not at war, what do those aircraft carriers do?

Do we just...uhh...turn them off?

We pay for the carrier whether it shoots down Libyan planes or not.

Try to keep up.

 

[WillowTree]

I've already addressed it Drock...the money's spent...the carriers and planes are bought and paid for. We have a Mediterranean Fleet. The fuel is being burned whether we use it in this humanitarian endeavor or not. Planes are going to fly off that deck. If you want a refund on your share of the missiles and bullets, post your address and I'll mail you a penny....spend it wisely.

Apparently, you've never served in the US Navy. It costs roughly 1 million/day to keep a carrier operating and functioning. I know.......I've served on 2 of 'em.

Combine that with their transit of the Suez (yeah, I've been through it 2 times, 1 time while onboard a carrier, the flight deck is actually hanging over land), which probably means that they were heading to the Persian Gulf, which means that the Battle Group Admiral probably can't take time out to shoot down the planes you want.

And......like I said.......there's the Geneva Conventions as well as the established ROE that have to be taken into consideration as well.

What service were you in again, and how many years did you serve?

I can't speak for him, but I'm Army, former vet, 94th ENGR BN and I say STFU Sarah Palin.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/156761-my-problem-with-sarah-palin.html

Why is a no fly zone suggested?

 

[Missourian]

That's it? Can you address the rest of it plz?

I've already addressed it Drock...the money's spent...the carriers and planes are bought and paid for. We have a Mediterranean Fleet. The fuel is being burned whether we use it in this humanitarian endeavor or not. Planes are going to fly off that deck. If you want a refund on your share of the missiles and bullets, post your address and I'll mail you a penny....spend it wisely.

Well then why do wars cost more money if we already have everything? Why do our war and defense budgets skyrocket in war times?

Good mockery though, making jokes is about the only way to rationalize the disaster that is our gov't and the out of control military spending.

Listen Drock, try to READ the words that I wrote.

HAVE THE ABILITY...did you read that in my post?

That means the financial ability too.

We have the financial ability to protect unarmed Libyan civilians.

The cost is negligible.

If you want the penny you contributed...just let me know.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I've already addressed it Drock...the money's spent...the carriers and planes are bought and paid for. We have a Mediterranean Fleet. The fuel is being burned whether we use it in this humanitarian endeavor or not. Planes are going to fly off that deck. If you want a refund on your share of the missiles and bullets, post your address and I'll mail you a penny....spend it wisely.

Apparently, you've never served in the US Navy. It costs roughly 1 million/day to keep a carrier operating and functioning. I know.......I've served on 2 of 'em.

Combine that with their transit of the Suez (yeah, I've been through it 2 times, 1 time while onboard a carrier, the flight deck is actually hanging over land), which probably means that they were heading to the Persian Gulf, which means that the Battle Group Admiral probably can't take time out to shoot down the planes you want.

And......like I said.......there's the Geneva Conventions as well as the established ROE that have to be taken into consideration as well.

What service were you in again, and how many years did you serve?

Of course when were not at war, what do those aircraft carriers do?

Do we just...uhh...turn them off?

We pay for the carrier whether it shoots down Libyan planes or not.

Try to keep up.

Actually, it's based on an 18 month cycle. 6 month deployment, 6 months in the shipyard for repairs and 6 months of training and work ups to prepare for deployment.

Do we "just turn them off"? No. However.......because we have a limited number of carriers, as well as the fact that we have a lot of places we have to watch OTHER THAN LIBYA, well........we just can't afford to.

Besides........are you sure that carrier isn't doing anything? Iran borders the Persian Gulf, as well as does Kuwait and oh yeah.........there's a little place called Iraq over there as well, all of which are places that we currently have some interest in. I've been over there on a carrier myself and understand this.

Again, I ask.......what service were you in and for how long?

As far as keeping up? I'd have to go backwards to let you keep up with me.

 

[Dr.Drock]

I've already addressed it Drock...the money's spent...the carriers and planes are bought and paid for. We have a Mediterranean Fleet. The fuel is being burned whether we use it in this humanitarian endeavor or not. Planes are going to fly off that deck. If you want a refund on your share of the missiles and bullets, post your address and I'll mail you a penny....spend it wisely.

Well then why do wars cost more money if we already have everything? Why do our war and defense budgets skyrocket in war times?

Good mockery though, making jokes is about the only way to rationalize the disaster that is our gov't and the out of control military spending.

Listen Drock, try to READ the words that I wrote.

HAVE THE ABILITY...did you read that in my post?

That means the financial ability too.

We have the financial ability to protect unarmed Libyan civilians.

The cost is negligible.

If you want the penny you contributed...just let me know.

I guess we have a different idea of financial ability.

I don't think we can financially afford the current defense and war budgets, making them marginally higher for attacking Libya would make it even worse.

Besides you weren't just talking about Libya, you said we have a responsibility to prevent murder. I think we can all agree if we're talking like grown ups that trying to input a policy like that would cause a need for a HUGE increase in an already out of control military spending budget.

 

[uscitizen]

Sarah Palin is accusing the White House of not showing enough support for the people of Libya still protesting against Muammar Qadhafi.

On her Facebook page Tuesday night, Palin said that it is “a little perplexing” to watch the administration’s reaction to events in the Middle East.

“There was a statement on the horrible earthquake in New Zealand, and certainly our hearts go out to all those affected by this horrible natural disaster," Palin wrote. "But nothing on the slaughter in Libya?”

As on Egypt, White House officials have been careful to not lean too far forward in voicing their preferred outcome in a far-from-resolved conflict. But Palin criticized President Barack Obama’s restraint, writing that “now is the time to speak out.”

Palin highlighted Qadhafi’s ties to past acts of terrorism in characterizing the longtime Libyan dictator as “Osama before Osama hit the scene.”

The former Alaska governor also suggested that NATO establish “a no-fly zone so Libyan air forces cannot continue slaughtering the Libyan people.”



Read more: Palin slams W.H. on Libya response - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com

so does Beck and Hannity, etc.
Palin is nothing but a political pundit like they are.

 

[Missourian]

Well then why do wars cost more money if we already have everything? Why do our war and defense budgets skyrocket in war times?

Good mockery though, making jokes is about the only way to rationalize the disaster that is our gov't and the out of control military spending.

Listen Drock, try to READ the words that I wrote.

HAVE THE ABILITY...did you read that in my post?

That means the financial ability too.

We have the financial ability to protect unarmed Libyan civilians.

The cost is negligible.

If you want the penny you contributed...just let me know.

I guess we have a different idea of financial ability.

I don't think we can financially afford the current defense and war budgets, making them marginally higher for attacking Libya would make it even worse.

Besides you weren't just talking about Libya, you said we have a responsibility to prevent murder. I think we can all agree if we're talking like grown ups that trying to input a policy like that would cause a need for a HUGE increase in an already out of control military spending budget.

Go back and look again...what I said was IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, you have a responsibility.

I have a conceal carry permit, I carry a firearm every day.

If I see someone beating you with a 2 x 4....

You better hope I don't think like Biker..."Well, he didn't attack me, and I have no legal responsibility to help, in fact I could be charged with a crime and get sued...best to just let it happen".

And you'd better hope I don't think like you..."Well, these bullets cost like 75 cents apiece and then there's gun cleaner, oil and patches...it's just not worth the expense".

 

[Dr.Drock]

Listen Drock, try to READ the words that I wrote.

HAVE THE ABILITY...did you read that in my post?

That means the financial ability too.

We have the financial ability to protect unarmed Libyan civilians.

The cost is negligible.

If you want the penny you contributed...just let me know.

I guess we have a different idea of financial ability.

I don't think we can financially afford the current defense and war budgets, making them marginally higher for attacking Libya would make it even worse.

Besides you weren't just talking about Libya, you said we have a responsibility to prevent murder. I think we can all agree if we're talking like grown ups that trying to input a policy like that would cause a need for a HUGE increase in an already out of control military spending budget.

Go back and look again...what I said was IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, you have a responsibility.

I have a conceal carry permit, I carry a firearm every day.

If I see someone beating you with a 2 x 4....

You better hope I don't think like Biker..."Well, he didn't attack me, and I have no legal responsibility to help, in fact I could be charged with a crime and get sued...best to just let it happen".

And you'd better hope I don't think like you..."Well, these bullets cost like 75 cents apiece and then there's gun cleaner, oil and patches...it's just not worth the expense".

You could twist anything into "having the ability", the US could raise my income taxes to 90% and pay for the attempt at world peace that you're pushing for, I guess they "have the ability" to do that. Just shows we have a different view of what the job of the US gov't is to do.

Apples and oranges, I don't want the people of say, Oregon, to be taxed in order to pay for your weapon to protect me if I get attacked. Wouldn't be fair to Oregonians. That's a better comparison.

 

[Missourian]

I guess we have a different idea of financial ability.

I don't think we can financially afford the current defense and war budgets, making them marginally higher for attacking Libya would make it even worse.

Besides you weren't just talking about Libya, you said we have a responsibility to prevent murder. I think we can all agree if we're talking like grown ups that trying to input a policy like that would cause a need for a HUGE increase in an already out of control military spending budget.

Go back and look again...what I said was IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, you have a responsibility.

I have a conceal carry permit, I carry a firearm every day.

If I see someone beating you with a 2 x 4....

You better hope I don't think like Biker..."Well, he didn't attack me, and I have no legal responsibility to help, in fact I could be charged with a crime and get sued...best to just let it happen".

And you'd better hope I don't think like you..."Well, these bullets cost like 75 cents apiece and then there's gun cleaner, oil and patches...it's just not worth the expense".

You could twist anything into "having the ability", the US could raise my income taxes to 90% and pay for the attempt at world peace that you're pushing for, I guess they "have the ability" to do that. Just shows we have a different view of what the job of the US gov't is to do.

Apples and oranges, I don't want the people of say, Oregon, to be taxed in order to pay for your weapon to protect me if I get attacked. Wouldn't be fair to Oregonians. That's a better comparison.

Only if you are in the habit of twisting.

Let...me...break...it...down...for...you...,...and...I'll...use...small...words.

WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROTECT UNARMED LIBYAN CIVILIANS.

WE HAVE IT RIGHT NOW.

GET IT?

GOT IT?

Good.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Listen Drock, try to READ the words that I wrote.

HAVE THE ABILITY...did you read that in my post?

That means the financial ability too.

We have the financial ability to protect unarmed Libyan civilians.

The cost is negligible.

If you want the penny you contributed...just let me know.

I guess we have a different idea of financial ability.

I don't think we can financially afford the current defense and war budgets, making them marginally higher for attacking Libya would make it even worse.

Besides you weren't just talking about Libya, you said we have a responsibility to prevent murder. I think we can all agree if we're talking like grown ups that trying to input a policy like that would cause a need for a HUGE increase in an already out of control military spending budget.

Go back and look again...what I said was IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, you have a responsibility.

I have a conceal carry permit, I carry a firearm every day.

If I see someone beating you with a 2 x 4....

You better hope I don't think like Biker..."Well, he didn't attack me, and I have no legal responsibility to help, in fact I could be charged with a crime and get sued...best to just let it happen".

And you'd better hope I don't think like you..."Well, these bullets cost like 75 cents apiece and then there's gun cleaner, oil and patches...it's just not worth the expense".

If you have the ability, you have a responsibility? Thank God that when Jared Laughtner pulled out his gun and started firing, the person standing close by (with a concealed weapon permit and a gun) didn't pull his, because I saw him interviewed and he said that he almost drew but didn't and if he had, he would have shot someone who was trying to STOP Laughtner.

And, your comparisons are simplistic, as well as stink on ice. People who live in the same country, under the SAME LAWS are different than one country versus another.

From the way you've been posting on this, combined with your sad lack of knowledge about the Geneva Conventions and the Rules of Engagement, I think you just said you were in the military at one time to try to get others to buy your bullshit.

 

[Missourian]

I guess we have a different idea of financial ability.

I don't think we can financially afford the current defense and war budgets, making them marginally higher for attacking Libya would make it even worse.

Besides you weren't just talking about Libya, you said we have a responsibility to prevent murder. I think we can all agree if we're talking like grown ups that trying to input a policy like that would cause a need for a HUGE increase in an already out of control military spending budget.

Go back and look again...what I said was IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, you have a responsibility.

I have a conceal carry permit, I carry a firearm every day.

If I see someone beating you with a 2 x 4....

You better hope I don't think like Biker..."Well, he didn't attack me, and I have no legal responsibility to help, in fact I could be charged with a crime and get sued...best to just let it happen".

And you'd better hope I don't think like you..."Well, these bullets cost like 75 cents apiece and then there's gun cleaner, oil and patches...it's just not worth the expense".

If you have the ability, you have a responsibility? Thank God that when Jared Laughtner pulled out his gun and started firing, the person standing close by (with a concealed weapon permit and a gun) didn't pull his, because I saw him interviewed and he said that he almost drew but didn't and if he had, he would have shot someone who was trying to STOP Laughtner.

And, your comparisons are simplistic, as well as stink on ice. People who live in the same country, under the SAME LAWS are different than one country versus another.

From the way you've been posting on this, combined with your sad lack of knowledge about the Geneva Conventions and the Rules of Engagement, I think you just said you were in the military at one time to try to get others to buy your bullshit.

Well then show me the error of my ways Biker.

Where does it say in the Geneva Convention that it is unlawful to stop the wholesale murder of Civilians.

Show me in the Rules of Engagement where it is states that military force may not be used to protect an unarmed populace.

Not your opinion.

Show me the facts, with a link.

I'll wait.

 

[Missourian]

I have some work to do...I'll come back and check in on you later.

 

[kaz]

Who gives a flying fuck what she thinks about Libya? She knows jack shit about foreign policy.

The saddest thing about Sarah Palin is she's better then most of the politicians in DC. Hmm...maybe that's the saddest thing about most of the politicians in DC, they're even worse then Sarah Palin...