Palestinian does not have any rights

[P F Tinmore]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzSgqvJ11QE]Palestinian does not have any rights to go through freely in Palestine 10.Jan.2012 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JStone]

Sorry, Hamas, I'm Wearing Blue Jeans

Palestinian feminist Asma Al-Ghoul arrived to our meeting at a Gaza coffee shop sporting blue jeans and a T-shirt—in stark contrast to the Islamic headscarves and tent-like dresses worn by the vast majority of Gazan women.

It's not just clothing that sets this 28-year-old secularist apart. She once publicly chastised a senior Hamas military leader—her uncle—who threatened to kill her, and she continues to publish gutsy articles, read banned books, and defy discriminatory policies. "Gaza needs all the liberal, secular people to stay here," she insisted, when I asked why she had declined opportunities to live abroad.

For three years, Israel has enforced a devastating blockade of the Gaza Strip aimed at isolating Hamas, the Islamic militant group that won Palestinian parliamentary elections in 2006 and seized control of this Palestinian territory in a 2007 civil war. (Fatah, a more moderate Palestinian faction, retained control of the West Bank.) Since then, Hamas has introduced restrictive new laws, including prohibitions against women using male hairdressers or smoking hookah in public. Hamas police have shut down musical concerts and interrogated suspected couples. Principals at government schools have reportedly pressured even Christian girls to wear the Islamic headscarf. Through it all, Asma has remained devoted to secularism, and was recently awarded a prestigious Human Rights Watch grant for her "commitment to free expression and courage in the face of political persecution." But will she be able to help build the inclusive civil society she seeks?

Her brother Mustafa was arrested and jailed by Hamas police last week for participating in street protests against Hamas's recent shutdown of Sharek Youth Forum. The nonprofit, which organized camps and afterschool programs for more than 60,000 Gazan children, is accused of storing pornography on its computers.

These days, when Asma is not overcome with worry about her imprisoned brother's fate, she is reading, writing, and following the news, including coverage of the failing peace negotiations between Israel and Fatah. She regards these talks as a "sad fairytale where everyone knows the ending." She's acquired a smuggled Arabic copy of Midnight's Children by Salman Rushdie and insists, "We should read it before we judge it." She's also finishing the manuscript to her novel, titled City of Love and Taboo, which explores the Islamization of Gaza. She's hoping to publish it in both Arabic and English.

"Everything is taboo in Gaza now," she says, explaining the book's title. "Yet, at the same time, people still touch and feel and love."

Sorry, Hamas, I'm Wearing Blue Jeans | Mother Jones

 

[P F Tinmore]

Sorry, Hamas, I'm Wearing Blue Jeans

Palestinian feminist Asma Al-Ghoul arrived to our meeting at a Gaza coffee shop sporting blue jeans and a T-shirt—in stark contrast to the Islamic headscarves and tent-like dresses worn by the vast majority of Gazan women.

It's not just clothing that sets this 28-year-old secularist apart. She once publicly chastised a senior Hamas military leader—her uncle—who threatened to kill her, and she continues to publish gutsy articles, read banned books, and defy discriminatory policies. "Gaza needs all the liberal, secular people to stay here," she insisted, when I asked why she had declined opportunities to live abroad.

For three years, Israel has enforced a devastating blockade of the Gaza Strip aimed at isolating Hamas, the Islamic militant group that won Palestinian parliamentary elections in 2006 and seized control of this Palestinian territory in a 2007 civil war. (Fatah, a more moderate Palestinian faction, retained control of the West Bank.) Since then, Hamas has introduced restrictive new laws, including prohibitions against women using male hairdressers or smoking hookah in public. Hamas police have shut down musical concerts and interrogated suspected couples. Principals at government schools have reportedly pressured even Christian girls to wear the Islamic headscarf. Through it all, Asma has remained devoted to secularism, and was recently awarded a prestigious Human Rights Watch grant for her "commitment to free expression and courage in the face of political persecution." But will she be able to help build the inclusive civil society she seeks?

Her brother Mustafa was arrested and jailed by Hamas police last week for participating in street protests against Hamas's recent shutdown of Sharek Youth Forum. The nonprofit, which organized camps and afterschool programs for more than 60,000 Gazan children, is accused of storing pornography on its computers.

These days, when Asma is not overcome with worry about her imprisoned brother's fate, she is reading, writing, and following the news, including coverage of the failing peace negotiations between Israel and Fatah. She regards these talks as a "sad fairytale where everyone knows the ending." She's acquired a smuggled Arabic copy of Midnight's Children by Salman Rushdie and insists, "We should read it before we judge it." She's also finishing the manuscript to her novel, titled City of Love and Taboo, which explores the Islamization of Gaza. She's hoping to publish it in both Arabic and English.

"Everything is taboo in Gaza now," she says, explaining the book's title. "Yet, at the same time, people still touch and feel and love."

Sorry, Hamas, I'm Wearing Blue Jeans | Mother Jones

Most of that stuff that Hamas imposed has gone by the wayside because the Palestinian women won't have it.

You gotta love Palestinian women.

 

[JStone]

Sorry, Hamas, I'm Wearing Blue Jeans

Palestinian feminist Asma Al-Ghoul arrived to our meeting at a Gaza coffee shop sporting blue jeans and a T-shirt—in stark contrast to the Islamic headscarves and tent-like dresses worn by the vast majority of Gazan women.

It's not just clothing that sets this 28-year-old secularist apart. She once publicly chastised a senior Hamas military leader—her uncle—who threatened to kill her, and she continues to publish gutsy articles, read banned books, and defy discriminatory policies. "Gaza needs all the liberal, secular people to stay here," she insisted, when I asked why she had declined opportunities to live abroad.

For three years, Israel has enforced a devastating blockade of the Gaza Strip aimed at isolating Hamas, the Islamic militant group that won Palestinian parliamentary elections in 2006 and seized control of this Palestinian territory in a 2007 civil war. (Fatah, a more moderate Palestinian faction, retained control of the West Bank.) Since then, Hamas has introduced restrictive new laws, including prohibitions against women using male hairdressers or smoking hookah in public. Hamas police have shut down musical concerts and interrogated suspected couples. Principals at government schools have reportedly pressured even Christian girls to wear the Islamic headscarf. Through it all, Asma has remained devoted to secularism, and was recently awarded a prestigious Human Rights Watch grant for her "commitment to free expression and courage in the face of political persecution." But will she be able to help build the inclusive civil society she seeks?

Her brother Mustafa was arrested and jailed by Hamas police last week for participating in street protests against Hamas's recent shutdown of Sharek Youth Forum. The nonprofit, which organized camps and afterschool programs for more than 60,000 Gazan children, is accused of storing pornography on its computers.

These days, when Asma is not overcome with worry about her imprisoned brother's fate, she is reading, writing, and following the news, including coverage of the failing peace negotiations between Israel and Fatah. She regards these talks as a "sad fairytale where everyone knows the ending." She's acquired a smuggled Arabic copy of Midnight's Children by Salman Rushdie and insists, "We should read it before we judge it." She's also finishing the manuscript to her novel, titled City of Love and Taboo, which explores the Islamization of Gaza. She's hoping to publish it in both Arabic and English.

"Everything is taboo in Gaza now," she says, explaining the book's title. "Yet, at the same time, people still touch and feel and love."

Sorry, Hamas, I'm Wearing Blue Jeans | Mother Jones

Most of that stuff that Hamas imposed has gone by the wayside because the Palestinian women won't have it.

You gotta love Palestinian women.

Hamas Bans Lingerie Displays
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GncVr9hNZGM]Hamas bans Gaza's lingerie displays - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JStone]

You gotta love Palestinian women.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efktSi0MiIY]Palestinian cleric: How to gently beat your wife - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JStone]

Palestinian does not have any rights to go through freely in Palestine

Arab American Joseph Farah: Palestine And Palesteenians Are A Myth

The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.

Palestine has never existed — before or since — as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.

There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.

But that’s too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

I know what you’re going to say: “Farah, the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem represent Islam’s third most holy sites.”

Not true. In fact, the Quran says nothing about Jerusalem. It mentions Mecca hundreds of times. It mentions Medina countless times. It never mentions Jerusalem. With good reason. There is no historical evidence to suggest Muhammad ever visited Jerusalem.

So how did Jerusalem become the third holiest site of Islam? Muslims today cite a vague passage in the Quran, the 17th Sura, entitled “The Night Journey.” It relates that in a dream or a vision Muhammad was carried by night “from the sacred temple to the temple that is most remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that we might show him our signs. …” In the seventh century, some Muslims identified the two temples mentioned in this verse as being in Mecca and Jerusalem. And that’s as close as Islam’s connection with Jerusalem gets — myth, fantasy, wishful thinking. Meanwhile, Jews can trace their roots in Jerusalem back to the days of Abraham.
Myths of the Middle East

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[docmauser1]

Palestinian does not have any rights to go through freely in Palestine

It's no surprise, of course, - palestine has been dead for 64 years.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Palestinian does not have any rights to go through freely in Palestine 10.Jan.2012 - YouTube

There is and never was a palestine. The palestinians are crying the blues for nothing. They need to leave Israel.

 

[Wolverine1984]

Palestinian does not have any rights to go through freely in Palestine 10.Jan.2012 - YouTube

When you say they don't have a right to go through freely in Palestine, you actually mean that they can't enter Israel without being searched right?
Because as I remember it there is not country named Palestine, and there never were.

The reasoning behind the checkpoints and searches is abundantly clear, Just a few days ago 2 Palestinians were caught trying to cross to Israel carrying weapons and explosives.

There would be no checkpoints or searches if there were no suicide bombings and attempts to kill Israeli civilians.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian does not have any rights to go through freely in Palestine 10.Jan.2012 - YouTube

When you say they don't have a right to go through freely in Palestine, you actually mean that they can't enter Israel without being searched right?
Because as I remember it there is not country named Palestine, and there never were.

The reasoning behind the checkpoints and searches is abundantly clear, Just a few days ago 2 Palestinians were caught trying to cross to Israel carrying weapons and explosives.

There would be no checkpoints or searches if there were no suicide bombings and attempts to kill Israeli civilians.

Israel will not allow Palestinians go from one area in Palestine to another. Palestinians are not allowed to farm their land, go to school, get medical treatment, visit relatives, and many are not even allowed to go home.

 

[Wolverine1984]

Palestinian does not have any rights to go through freely in Palestine 10.Jan.2012 - YouTube

When you say they don't have a right to go through freely in Palestine, you actually mean that they can't enter Israel without being searched right?
Because as I remember it there is not country named Palestine, and there never were.

The reasoning behind the checkpoints and searches is abundantly clear, Just a few days ago 2 Palestinians were caught trying to cross to Israel carrying weapons and explosives.

There would be no checkpoints or searches if there were no suicide bombings and attempts to kill Israeli civilians.

Israel will not allow Palestinians go from one area in Palestine to another. Palestinians are not allowed to farm their land, go to school, get medical treatment, visit relatives, and many are not even allowed to go home.

I still do not understand what you mean ...
what do you mean when you say Palestine ?
In the Palestinian territories they are free to do what ever they want ... far/go to school / get medical treatment etc ...
If you are not referring to the Palestinian territories see my comment above.

 

[P F Tinmore]

When you say they don't have a right to go through freely in Palestine, you actually mean that they can't enter Israel without being searched right?
Because as I remember it there is not country named Palestine, and there never were.

The reasoning behind the checkpoints and searches is abundantly clear, Just a few days ago 2 Palestinians were caught trying to cross to Israel carrying weapons and explosives.

There would be no checkpoints or searches if there were no suicide bombings and attempts to kill Israeli civilians.

Israel will not allow Palestinians go from one area in Palestine to another. Palestinians are not allowed to farm their land, go to school, get medical treatment, visit relatives, and many are not even allowed to go home.

I still do not understand what you mean ...
what do you mean when you say Palestine ?
In the Palestinian territories they are free to do what ever they want ... far/go to school / get medical treatment etc ...
If you are not referring to the Palestinian territories see my comment above.

You aren't familiar with this, are you?

 

[Wolverine1984]

what are you talking about ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

what are you talking about ?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrdsLf4n5Ug]36 sleepless Gaza Jerusalem.divx - YouTube[/ame]

 

[PredFan]

Palestinian does not have any rights to go through freely in Palestine 10.Jan.2012 - YouTube

When you say they don't have a right to go through freely in Palestine, you actually mean that they can't enter Israel without being searched right?
Because as I remember it there is not country named Palestine, and there never were.

The reasoning behind the checkpoints and searches is abundantly clear, Just a few days ago 2 Palestinians were caught trying to cross to Israel carrying weapons and explosives.

There would be no checkpoints or searches if there were no suicide bombings and attempts to kill Israeli civilians.

Israel will not allow Palestinians go from one area in Palestine to another. Palestinians are not allowed to farm their land, go to school, get medical treatment, visit relatives, and many are not even allowed to go home.

Good.

 

[Wolverine1984]

As I said before ,if Israel would not be under a security threat from the Palestinians , there would be no walls no checkpoints and everyone could go where ever they please.

You can't expect Israel to let Palestinians cross freely into Israeli territory when there is a real risk that one of them can blow himself in a bus station,coffee shop or a night club.
This is not some kind of paranoid scenario, all of those bombings did happen.

Palestinians can't have it both ways on the one hand saying "Death to Israel" , launching rockets , suicide bombing, and on the other hand saying "Evil Israel don't let us through".

 

[P F Tinmore]

As I said before ,if Israel would not be under a security threat from the Palestinians , there would be no walls no checkpoints and everyone could go where ever they please.

You can't expect Israel to let Palestinians cross freely into Israeli territory when there is a real risk that one of them can blow himself in a bus station,coffee shop or a night club.
This is not some kind of paranoid scenario, all of those bombings did happen.

Palestinians can't have it both ways on the one hand saying "Death to Israel" , launching rockets , suicide bombing, and on the other hand saying "Evil Israel don't let us through".

Your picking up the story in the middle. You have to start at the beginning.

 

[Godboy]

As I said before ,if Israel would not be under a security threat from the Palestinians , there would be no walls no checkpoints and everyone could go where ever they please.

You can't expect Israel to let Palestinians cross freely into Israeli territory when there is a real risk that one of them can blow himself in a bus station,coffee shop or a night club.
This is not some kind of paranoid scenario, all of those bombings did happen.

Palestinians can't have it both ways on the one hand saying "Death to Israel" , launching rockets , suicide bombing, and on the other hand saying "Evil Israel don't let us through".

Your picking up the story in the middle. You have to start at the beginning.

The begining is unimportant, and it wouldnt help your case anyway. The fact is, you like palestinian terrorists, and the rest of us dont. There is no amount of spin you can possibly come up with that will ever change that fact. Palestinians are islamic shit people, and thats why they are weak and pathetic and they deserve worse treatment than the way Israel handles them with kids gloves. One of these days we will hopefully see Israel make the world a better place by simply flattening that territory with bombs.

 

[P F Tinmore]

As I said before ,if Israel would not be under a security threat from the Palestinians , there would be no walls no checkpoints and everyone could go where ever they please.

You can't expect Israel to let Palestinians cross freely into Israeli territory when there is a real risk that one of them can blow himself in a bus station,coffee shop or a night club.
This is not some kind of paranoid scenario, all of those bombings did happen.

Palestinians can't have it both ways on the one hand saying "Death to Israel" , launching rockets , suicide bombing, and on the other hand saying "Evil Israel don't let us through".

Your picking up the story in the middle. You have to start at the beginning.

The begining is unimportant, and it wouldnt help your case anyway. The fact is, you like palestinian terrorists, and the rest of us dont. There is no amount of spin you can possibly come up with that will ever change that fact. Palestinians are islamic shit people, and thats why they are weak and pathetic and they deserve worse treatment than the way Israel handles them with kids gloves. One of these days we will hopefully see Israel make the world a better place by simply flattening that territory with bombs.

The beginning is important. That is why Israel wants to keep that from you.

 

[Wolverine1984]

As I said before ,if Israel would not be under a security threat from the Palestinians , there would be no walls no checkpoints and everyone could go where ever they please.

You can't expect Israel to let Palestinians cross freely into Israeli territory when there is a real risk that one of them can blow himself in a bus station,coffee shop or a night club.
This is not some kind of paranoid scenario, all of those bombings did happen.

Palestinians can't have it both ways on the one hand saying "Death to Israel" , launching rockets , suicide bombing, and on the other hand saying "Evil Israel don't let us through".

Your picking up the story in the middle. You have to start at the beginning.

So you agree that it is unreasonable that Palestinians would be free to roam Israel without a search in the current situation.

So we are back at 'who was here first'?
well first of all it is not relevant to the here and now. Even if Arabs were here first, it doesn't matter to the here and now. You can't expect Israel to let potential bombs insides its territory because 'They were here first.'

And besides they weren't here first:
the United Kingdom of Israel was established in 1020 BC and split within a century to form the northern Kingdom of Israel, and the southern Kingdom of Judah.

This happen long before any Arab set foot on this land, and also about 1500 years before the Muslim Prophet Muhammad was born.