Palestinian Authority Makes New Threats. "We'll Hijack Your Planes."

[Shusha]

they want their own state.

Then they should get on with building their own state instead of trying to screw with Israel.

israel stands in the way of them having their own state. they won't allow it. netanyahu's government does not support a two state solution, and israel has not supported peace for some time.

Hogwash. They are in complete control of Area A and Gaza. And mostly in control of Area B. Just what do you think they need to do to have a state that they can't do because of Israel?

They need to stand up and start taking responsibility for themselves.

 

[ogibillm]

they want their own state.

Then they should get on with building their own state instead of trying to screw with Israel.

israel stands in the way of them having their own state. they won't allow it. netanyahu's government does not support a two state solution, and israel has not supported peace for some time.

Hogwash. They are in complete control of Area A and Gaza. And mostly in control of Area B. Just what do you think they need to do to have a state that they can't do because of Israel?

They need to stand up and start taking responsibility for themselves.

can they raise an army? import goods? collect revenues?

 

[RoccoR]

ogibillm, et al,

Again, I'm confused.

you make a good nazi

(COMMENT)

I thought: Hajj Amin al-Husayni, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was a strong ally of the NAZI and actually helped recruiting efforts for the Bosnian Muslims for the Waffen-SS. Or, am I wrong?

I thought: Hasan Salama, Commander of the Palestinian Holy War Army (HWA) during the 1948/49 War of Independence, was a Waffen-SS Special Commando for the Abwehr. Or, was I wrong?

I thought: Fawzi al-Qawuqji, Field Commander, Arab Liberation Army (ALA) during the 1948/49, was a Colonel the Wehrmacht. OR was I wrong?

I must have this all mixed up.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[skye]

It's interesting that Nabil Shaath , the Senior Palestinian negotiator, specifies attention must be paid to the Arab cause, rather than a genuine peace deal.

The Arab cause is quite simple, they want to overrun Israel completely. This is pure blackmail and propaganda, but what's new?

They have been offered a favorable genuine peace deal on several occasions, but all have been rejected because they don't want a * PIECE * the want the WHOLE of Israel.

 

[Shusha]

import goods? collect revenues?

Can and do.

can they raise an army?

Yeah, that will be problematic until a peace treaty is negotiated, signed, sealed and acted upon.

But, to the point of this thread, hijacking planes is NOT state-building.

 

[ogibillm]

ogibillm, et al,

Again, I'm confused.

you make a good nazi

(COMMENT)

I thought: Hajj Amin al-Husayni, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was a strong ally of the NAZI and actually helped recruiting efforts for the Bosnian Muslims for the Waffen-SS. Or, am I wrong?

I thought: Hasan Salama, Commander of the Palestinian Holy War Army (HWA) during the 1948/49 War of Independence, was a Waffen-SS Special Commando for the Abwehr. Or, was I wrong?

I thought: Fawzi al-Qawuqji, Field Commander, Arab Liberation Army (ALA) during the 1948/49, was a Colonel the Wehrmacht. OR was I wrong?

I must have this all mixed up.

Most Respectfully,
R

you certainly are mixed up if you think that matters

 

[Weatherman2020]

ogibillm, et al,

Again, I'm confused.

you make a good nazi

(COMMENT)

I thought: Hajj Amin al-Husayni, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was a strong ally of the NAZI and actually helped recruiting efforts for the Bosnian Muslims for the Waffen-SS. Or, am I wrong?

I thought: Hasan Salama, Commander of the Palestinian Holy War Army (HWA) during the 1948/49 War of Independence, was a Waffen-SS Special Commando for the Abwehr. Or, was I wrong?

I thought: Fawzi al-Qawuqji, Field Commander, Arab Liberation Army (ALA) during the 1948/49, was a Colonel the Wehrmacht. OR was I wrong?

I must have this all mixed up.

Most Respectfully,
R

you certainly are mixed up if you think that matters

Not my fault you have a severe case of butt hurt from the terrorist Palestinans.
They have their own government, import their own goods, collect taxes.
And oh yeah, target civilians intentionally which has been a violation of every international standard for centuries.

Call us when your terrorist decide to join civilization.

 

[Hossfly]

Yeah, and the world kicked their asses for it.
Just like the world should eradicate the Palestinian evildoers.

you are the nazi in this analogy.

do you want your ass kicked?

Can't stay on topic. Understandable considering your losing position of supporting Palestinian scum.

How many Jews in the Paelestinian government?
How many Jews in the Palestinian military?
What is the requirement for Palestinians to say they will live in peace with Jews?
Game over.

what real government? what military?

they want their own state.

and you can't get away from your own nazi words

You ask what government? Is it true? Is ignorance truely bliss?

http://www.ips-dc.org/hamas_wins_the_palestinian_elections/

they aren't sovereign. they aren't able to raise a defense, or protect their people from israel. there is no real government, just figment of one

And that's the reason for all the stoning, stabbing, running cars through crowds and rocket attacks. Just a little defensive resistance. Makes sense.

 

[RoccoR]

ogibillm, et al,

I may very well be confused. But I know the militarization of the Arab Parties into Islamic Resistance, Jihadist, insurgents and terrorists --- and making terrorist type threats is more in line with the uniformed elements of the NAZI Regime then it is with the Israelis. It is an radicalized trait, not a Jewish trait.

The general policies of the Nationalist Socialist Party (NASI) have very little in common with the political underpinning of the Israelis.

ogibillm, et al,

Again, I'm confused.

you make a good nazi

(COMMENT)

I thought: Hajj Amin al-Husayni, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was a strong ally of the NAZI and actually helped recruiting efforts for the Bosnian Muslims for the Waffen-SS. Or, am I wrong?

I thought: Hasan Salama, Commander of the Palestinian Holy War Army (HWA) during the 1948/49 War of Independence, was a Waffen-SS Special Commando for the Abwehr. Or, was I wrong?

I thought: Fawzi al-Qawuqji, Field Commander, Arab Liberation Army (ALA) during the 1948/49, was a Colonel the Wehrmacht. OR was I wrong?

I must have this all mixed up.

Most Respectfully,
R

you certainly are mixed up if you think that matters

(COMMENT)

in addition to the three pillars to the NAZI Regime, it had some undesirable characteristics that are more in common with the Arab Palestinians than the Israelis.

• The NAZI were not in favor of large, vertically integrated Companies and multinational/transnational corporations that tend to dominate and control market, and work against the development of the class workers.
• Opposed to the development of independent means of production and cost effective control of modernization efforts in industry.
• Opposed to inhabitants having the rights of citizenship and political rights --- very socialist and generally anti-capitalist.

But what I suspect you are driving at are the two big Characteristics:

You will have noticed that once the NAZIs took power, there were no further need for leadership ratification. This is very similar to the way in which the Arab Palestinians operate. When did the Arab Palestinians last verify their leadership?

The NAZIs became a paramilitary political organization with its own militarized force within it. This is not so dissimilar to the Arab Palestinians with the Islamic Resistance, the Islamic Jihad, its Fedayeen etc.

The there is the Arab turn in radicalize Islamic stance: As Khalid Mishaal has said --- "Resistance: This is a primary principle and our strategic choice. Some have had doubts that talk of a truce is giving up on the resistance; this of course arbitrary. In short, the path of resistance, in terms of its preparation, organization, and performance for the liberation of Palestine, is a path that cannot be interrupted."

There are many aspects to the Arab-Palestinian that we can associate with the old NAZI. It does not mean that the Arab Palestinians are "NAZI" or even NAZI like. Yet, we must be vigilante that the Resistance, jihadist, terrorist and insurgents in the asymmetric conflict do not evolve into the element we call DAESH.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Roudy]

you are the nazi in this analogy.

do you want your ass kicked?

Can't stay on topic. Understandable considering your losing position of supporting Palestinian scum.

How many Jews in the Paelestinian government?
How many Jews in the Palestinian military?
What is the requirement for Palestinians to say they will live in peace with Jews?
Game over.

what real government? what military?

they want their own state.

and you can't get away from your own nazi words

You ask what government? Is it true? Is ignorance truely bliss?

http://www.ips-dc.org/hamas_wins_the_palestinian_elections/

they aren't sovereign. they aren't able to raise a defense, or protect their people from israel. there is no real government, just figment of one

And that's the reason for all the stoning, stabbing, running cars through crowds and rocket attacks. Just a little defensive resistance. Makes sense.

They have no choice but to be barbaric savages!

 

[RoccoR]

ogibillm, et al,

Yeah! I noticed that it is not the HAMAS view to end the resistance effort, or agree to a two-state solution.

can they raise an army? import goods? collect revenues?

(COMMENT)

With that said, at the very earliest --- it is unlikely that the status would change for one year unless the Arab Palestinians cease hostilities and bring a general close to military and terrorist operations; Article 6 GCIV.

I don't see that happening. So, it is probably not reasonable to assume that Israel would even consider reducing security countermeasure --- unless something extraordinary happens.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[ogibillm]

ogibillm, et al,

Yeah! I noticed that it is not the HAMAS view to end the resistance effort, or agree to a two-state solution.

can they raise an army? import goods? collect revenues?

(COMMENT)

With that said, at the very earliest --- it is unlikely that the status would change for one year unless the Arab Palestinians cease hostilities and bring a general close to military and terrorist operations; Article 6 GCIV.

I don't see that happening. So, it is probably not reasonable to assume that Israel would even consider reducing security countermeasure --- unless something extraordinary happens.

Most Respectfully,
R

right. they should accept oppression.

that's what you would do, right? accept domination by another nation?

 

[Shusha]

right. they should accept oppression.

that's what you would do, right? accept domination by another nation?

No. They shouldn't accept oppression or domination. They should grow the fuck up and build their own nation.

Its like two brothers fighting over the two houses left to them in their parent's will. One brother spent 70 years repairing and making improvements on his house. The other brother spent that 70 years throwing rocks at his brother's house; building tunnels to undermine the foundation of his brother's house; ripping shingles of the roof off his brother's house; stabbing his brother's wife and is now threatening to hijack his brother's car.

See that other house over there? The one our parents left you? Go fix that up and live in it. No, the fact that your house is not as nice as your brother's is neither oppression nor domination. Its your lack of hard work. No, the fact that your brother builds a huge fence to keep you out and tries to take away your rocks, or prevent you from bringing in truckloads of new rocks, is not oppression or domination. Its you attacking him.

Quit it.

 

[montelatici]

ogibillm, et al,

Yeah! I noticed that it is not the HAMAS view to end the resistance effort, or agree to a two-state solution.

can they raise an army? import goods? collect revenues?

(COMMENT)

With that said, at the very earliest --- it is unlikely that the status would change for one year unless the Arab Palestinians cease hostilities and bring a general close to military and terrorist operations; Article 6 GCIV.

I don't see that happening. So, it is probably not reasonable to assume that Israel would even consider reducing security countermeasure --- unless something extraordinary happens.

Most Respectfully,
R

I think you posted this before you read the latest news. The Israelis finally come clean, there will not be a Palestinian state. Most neutral observers knew that the Israelis had no intention of allowing non-Jews to have sovereignty over the territory controlled by Israel. Now that it is official, what's next?

"After Labor rules out Palestinian state, Netanyahu says: 'Good morning, Herzog'"

“And then, at the beginning of the week, something happened. Members of the Labor Party decided that the two-state solution cannot be implemented,”

After Labor rules out Palestinian state, Netanyahu says: 'Good morning, Herzog'

 

[RoccoR]

"ogibillm," et al,

OK ... This is a matter of Palestinian policy. It is not about right or wrong.

It is about the elevation of criminally negligent (malfeseance) leaders that condone the deliberate and intentional targetting of civilians (Rules 6, 11, 23, 24 Cutomary and IHL) and the incitement of to commit a terrorist acts, the ack of attention to prevet such conduct; as well as the denial of safe haven to any such Resistance fighters, insurgents and terrorist involved in such activity (UNSC Resolution 1624).

ogibillm, et al,

Yeah! I noticed that it is not the HAMAS view to end the resistance effort, or agree to a two-state solution.

can they raise an army? import goods? collect revenues?

(COMMENT)
PA Official: Do We Have to Hijack Your Planes Again? - Israel News
With that said, at the very earliest --- it is unlikely that the status would change for one year unless the Arab Palestinians cease hostilities and bring a general close to military and terrorist operations; Article 6 GCIV.

I don't see that happening. So, it is probably not reasonable to assume that Israel would even consider reducing security countermeasure --- unless something extraordinary happens.

Most Respectfully,
R

right. they should accept oppression.

that's what you would do, right? accept domination by another nation?

(COMMENT)

This is not a matter of accepting oppression. The State of Israel did not apply any more pressure to the Palestinians in 1967 than the Egyptians or the Jordanians. The gradual increases in security restrictions, barries, and countermeansures were in direct response to the absolute and unnessary hostilities that the Arab Palestinian represented to Israel.

There is no domination by another nation, merely the containment of jihadist, insurgent, terrorist and assymmetric warfare by Hostile Arag Palestinians that openly advocate the commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, and espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, (violations of Article 68, of the Fourth Geneva Convention), and taking all the measures to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country (Article 43 Hague Regulation). There is no international law that exempts the hostile Islamic Resistance extremeist, the Jihadist, the Fedayeen, the Insurgents, the Terrorists, and other assymetric warfare operations from the Geneva Convention or the Hague Regulation.

FURTHER, both Chapter 1 of the UN Charter, as well as the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations dictate that:

Arab Palestinians have the duty to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Israel (Senior Palestinian official and former peace negotiator Nabil Shaath said in an recent interview that if the Western world does not pay attention to the Arab cause, it risks more plane hijackings and global economic crises emanating from the Middle East), or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations. Such a threat or use of force constitutes a violation of international law and the Charter of the United Nations and shall never be employed as a means of settling international issues.

A war of aggression constitutes a crime against the peace, for which there is responsibility under international law.

In accordance with the purposes and principles of the United Nations, Arab Palestinians have the duty to refrain from propaganda for wars of aggression (incitement to conflict).
​

When a population like the Arab Palestinians, have an established history of criminal behaviors as just described, there is a Hague Regulation Requirement to take all the measures to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety. In 1967, before the Palestinian Black Hand attempted assassination on the Hashemite King's motorcade, before the 1972 Olymic Masacre in Munich, before the assorted hijackings, bombings, roadside boobytraps and ambushes, kidnappings and murders, there was a time when the Israelis did not have any of the security measures necessary to maintain in place now. The Israelis don't want to dominate the Arab Palestinian, they want to be protected from the barbaricradicalized Islamic terrorism they are known for and have demonstrated in the past.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

You are so silly Rocco. Your logic flies in the face of history. People like you were saying the same thing about the non-whites in South Africa, the Algerian natives, the non-whites in Rhodesia, the Vietnamese, etc. You are such a racist.

 

[P F Tinmore]

"ogibillm," et al,

OK ... This is a matter of Palestinian policy. It is not about right or wrong.

It is about the elevation of criminally negligent (malfeseance) leaders that condone the deliberate and intentional targetting of civilians (Rules 6, 11, 23, 24 Cutomary and IHL) and the incitement of to commit a terrorist acts, the ack of attention to prevet such conduct; as well as the denial of safe haven to any such Resistance fighters, insurgents and terrorist involved in such activity (UNSC Resolution 1624).

ogibillm, et al,

Yeah! I noticed that it is not the HAMAS view to end the resistance effort, or agree to a two-state solution.

can they raise an army? import goods? collect revenues?

(COMMENT)
PA Official: Do We Have to Hijack Your Planes Again? - Israel News
With that said, at the very earliest --- it is unlikely that the status would change for one year unless the Arab Palestinians cease hostilities and bring a general close to military and terrorist operations; Article 6 GCIV.

I don't see that happening. So, it is probably not reasonable to assume that Israel would even consider reducing security countermeasure --- unless something extraordinary happens.

Most Respectfully,
R

right. they should accept oppression.

that's what you would do, right? accept domination by another nation?

(COMMENT)

This is not a matter of accepting oppression. The State of Israel did not apply any more pressure to the Palestinians in 1967 than the Egyptians or the Jordanians. The gradual increases in security restrictions, barries, and countermeansures were in direct response to the absolute and unnessary hostilities that the Arab Palestinian represented to Israel.

There is no domination by another nation, merely the containment of jihadist, insurgent, terrorist and assymmetric warfare by Hostile Arag Palestinians that openly advocate the commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, and espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, (violations of Article 68, of the Fourth Geneva Convention), and taking all the measures to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country (Article 43 Hague Regulation). There is no international law that exempts the hostile Islamic Resistance extremeist, the Jihadist, the Fedayeen, the Insurgents, the Terrorists, and other assymetric warfare operations from the Geneva Convention or the Hague Regulation.

FURTHER, both Chapter 1 of the UN Charter, as well as the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations dictate that:

Arab Palestinians have the duty to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Israel (Senior Palestinian official and former peace negotiator Nabil Shaath said in an recent interview that if the Western world does not pay attention to the Arab cause, it risks more plane hijackings and global economic crises emanating from the Middle East), or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations. Such a threat or use of force constitutes a violation of international law and the Charter of the United Nations and shall never be employed as a means of settling international issues.

A war of aggression constitutes a crime against the peace, for which there is responsibility under international law.

In accordance with the purposes and principles of the United Nations, Arab Palestinians have the duty to refrain from propaganda for wars of aggression (incitement to conflict).
​

When a population like the Arab Palestinians, have an established history of criminal behaviors as just described, there is a Hague Regulation Requirement to take all the measures to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety. In 1967, before the Palestinian Black Hand attempted assassination on the Hashemite King's motorcade, before the 1972 Olymic Masacre in Munich, before the assorted hijackings, bombings, roadside boobytraps and ambushes, kidnappings and murders, there was a time when the Israelis did not have any of the security measures necessary to maintain in place now. The Israelis don't want to dominate the Arab Palestinian, they want to be protected from the barbaricradicalized Islamic terrorism they are known for and have demonstrated in the past.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course Israel has to defend its colonization and ethnic cleansing from the native Palestinians.

 

[Weatherman2020]

"ogibillm," et al,

OK ... This is a matter of Palestinian policy. It is not about right or wrong.

It is about the elevation of criminally negligent (malfeseance) leaders that condone the deliberate and intentional targetting of civilians (Rules 6, 11, 23, 24 Cutomary and IHL) and the incitement of to commit a terrorist acts, the ack of attention to prevet such conduct; as well as the denial of safe haven to any such Resistance fighters, insurgents and terrorist involved in such activity (UNSC Resolution 1624).

ogibillm, et al,

Yeah! I noticed that it is not the HAMAS view to end the resistance effort, or agree to a two-state solution.

can they raise an army? import goods? collect revenues?

(COMMENT)
PA Official: Do We Have to Hijack Your Planes Again? - Israel News
With that said, at the very earliest --- it is unlikely that the status would change for one year unless the Arab Palestinians cease hostilities and bring a general close to military and terrorist operations; Article 6 GCIV.

I don't see that happening. So, it is probably not reasonable to assume that Israel would even consider reducing security countermeasure --- unless something extraordinary happens.

Most Respectfully,
R

right. they should accept oppression.

that's what you would do, right? accept domination by another nation?

(COMMENT)

This is not a matter of accepting oppression. The State of Israel did not apply any more pressure to the Palestinians in 1967 than the Egyptians or the Jordanians. The gradual increases in security restrictions, barries, and countermeansures were in direct response to the absolute and unnessary hostilities that the Arab Palestinian represented to Israel.

There is no domination by another nation, merely the containment of jihadist, insurgent, terrorist and assymmetric warfare by Hostile Arag Palestinians that openly advocate the commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, and espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, (violations of Article 68, of the Fourth Geneva Convention), and taking all the measures to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country (Article 43 Hague Regulation). There is no international law that exempts the hostile Islamic Resistance extremeist, the Jihadist, the Fedayeen, the Insurgents, the Terrorists, and other assymetric warfare operations from the Geneva Convention or the Hague Regulation.

FURTHER, both Chapter 1 of the UN Charter, as well as the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations dictate that:

Arab Palestinians have the duty to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Israel (Senior Palestinian official and former peace negotiator Nabil Shaath said in an recent interview that if the Western world does not pay attention to the Arab cause, it risks more plane hijackings and global economic crises emanating from the Middle East), or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations. Such a threat or use of force constitutes a violation of international law and the Charter of the United Nations and shall never be employed as a means of settling international issues.

A war of aggression constitutes a crime against the peace, for which there is responsibility under international law.

In accordance with the purposes and principles of the United Nations, Arab Palestinians have the duty to refrain from propaganda for wars of aggression (incitement to conflict).
​

When a population like the Arab Palestinians, have an established history of criminal behaviors as just described, there is a Hague Regulation Requirement to take all the measures to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety. In 1967, before the Palestinian Black Hand attempted assassination on the Hashemite King's motorcade, before the 1972 Olymic Masacre in Munich, before the assorted hijackings, bombings, roadside boobytraps and ambushes, kidnappings and murders, there was a time when the Israelis did not have any of the security measures necessary to maintain in place now. The Israelis don't want to dominate the Arab Palestinian, they want to be protected from the barbaricradicalized Islamic terrorism they are known for and have demonstrated in the past.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course Israel has to defend its colonization and ethnic cleansing from the native Palestinians.

Is that why the Israeli government and military have Muslims in them, but 1 Jew living next door to you Palestinians is justification to slit the throats of children?

Tell me more about ethnic cleansing, moron.

 

[rhodescholar]

right. they should accept oppression.that's what you would do, right? accept domination by another nation?

Another low IQ moron.

Idiot, what "oppression" was Israel applying from 1948 - 1967 that caused the thousands of arab muslim terrorist attacks against it?

Further, as Rocco alluded to, were you even aware of how badly the Jordanians and Egyptians treated the arab muslims in gaza and the west bank from 1948-1967? Horrendously - yet remarkably, the arabs there never attacked or conducted terrorism against either, just amazing...

People like you are just so, so fucking stupid.

 

[rhodescholar]

You are so silly Rocco. Your logic flies in the face of history. People like you were saying the same thing about the non-whites in South Africa, the Algerian natives, the non-whites in Rhodesia, the Vietnamese, etc. You are such a racist.

And you're mentally ill, with no facts and less brains. You're fucking garbage, and have zero credibility. The arab muslims will never move forward until they decide to fix their own problems, and stop accepting the so-called "help" from western useful idiots like you.