OWS Echoes The French Revolution.

[Intense]

Health care is not frivolous.



Huh?



Which is what you want, right? You don't like the idea of lazy 65 year olds getting the best of care, do you?

Tell us, Mr. Wizard. Why is it so high?

That is a matter of perspective, in truth. There are many Procedures that are either Cover Your Ass, and Unnecessary and there are outright Scams and Fraud. There are Procedures that are life saving yet unauthorized because of procedure and Bureaucracy. There are Life Saving Procedures that do not get approved. Don't worry though, your Viagra is covered.


What... Are you lost in the Subway again? I told you to transfer at Times Square. Get with it, and clean up that drool. It's comely, Up Town.

Which is what you want, right? You don't like the idea of lazy 65 year olds getting the best of care, do you?

Tell us, Mr. Wizard. Why is it so high?

I have no issue with you getting what you pay for.

The "Huh" was my way of letting you know you were rambling. Since you don't like that, I'll tell you straight out. You're rambling.

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The Allman Brothers- Ramblin Man

You can't have me, and you can't be me.

Sorry man, all I have to do is pick up a local News Paper to see the absurdity in Government Logic and Government Spending. That's not talking points.

 

[SAT]

Sorry man, all I have to do is pick up a local News Paper to see the absurdity in Government Logic and Government Spending. That's not talking points.

Yep. Government is not perfect. Neither are corporations. But this is about health care access, and the best way to make sure that people have it.

 

[Intense]

Sorry man, all I have to do is pick up a local News Paper to see the absurdity in Government Logic and Government Spending. That's not talking points.

Yep. Government is not perfect. Neither are corporations. But this is about health care access, and the best way to make sure that people have it.

Nope, not if it sinks the whole ship. You want to donate it? Nobody is stopping you. You want to set up a system where those that can't pay, give back, in time, by volunteering, go for it. You want a Sex Change, pay for it on your own dime.

 

[SAT]

Sorry man, all I have to do is pick up a local News Paper to see the absurdity in Government Logic and Government Spending. That's not talking points.

Yep. Government is not perfect. Neither are corporations. But this is about health care access, and the best way to make sure that people have it.

Nope, not if it sinks the whole ship. You want to donate it? Nobody is stopping you. You want to set up a system where those that can't pay, give back, in time, by volunteering, go for it. You want a Sex Change, pay for it on your own dime.

It isn't going to sink the ship. What we've got right now is going to, though.

 

[taichiliberal]

Yep. Government is not perfect. Neither are corporations. But this is about health care access, and the best way to make sure that people have it.

Nope, not if it sinks the whole ship. You want to donate it? Nobody is stopping you. You want to set up a system where those that can't pay, give back, in time, by volunteering, go for it. You want a Sex Change, pay for it on your own dime.

It isn't going to sink the ship. What we've got right now is going to, though.

And that's the lynch pin in the whole neocon/teabagger argument against the Health Care Reform law......the deregulated insurance companies had their shot, and they F'ed up royally. Peelo and Potter told the tale from the inside, yet insanely stubborn jokers like "Intense" just cover their ears, close their eyes and yell "socialism!" So long as it's not their butts in a sling, folk like Intense will parrot the party line to the grave.

 

[taichiliberal]

1. The OWS movement reflects several aspects of the French Revolution.
Had they an actual education, we would have seen cardboard signs with
"Liberté, égalité, fraternité."

a. égalité..equality...is the demand that the so-called "1%" be brought down to their level.

2. The OWS folks certainly count as a mob.

a. Gustave Le Bon, in his groundbreaking 1896 book, “The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind,” was the first to identify the phenomenon of mass psychology. Both Hitler and Mussolini used his book to understand how to incite a mob.
The administration had hoped to harnass this mob as an ally.

3. In her book, "Demonic," Coulter illustrates how rumors and catch-phrases innervate a mob, and this is clear in that OWS and their supporters believe nonsense such as workers incomes stagnating, or falling, and only some bête noire called the "1%" is thriving, at their expense.

4. The man most identified with the French Revolution is Rousseau, who famously saw man sans government as 'the noble savage,' and some 'general will,' that the group expressed, as the right path. How did that work out in the OWS communes...? An anemic reflection of the French Revolution...without guillotines. Up to now.

a. In France, there was the development of an apparatus of ideological enforcement for ‘reason.’ But rather than necessitate liberty, Edmund Burke was prescient enough to predict that ‘enlightened despotism’ would be embodied in the general will, a formula for oppression as in ‘tyranny of popular opinion’ or even ‘a dictatorship of the proletariat.’

b. Although attributed to Rousseau, it was Diderot who gave the model for totalitarianism of reason: “We must reason about all things,” and anyone who ‘refuses to seek out the truth’ thereby renounces his human nature and “should be treated by the rest of his species as a wild beast.” So, once ‘truth’ is determined, anyone who doesn’t accept it was “either insane or wicked and morally evil.” It is not the individual who has the “ right to decide about the nature of right and wrong,” but only “the human race,” expressed as the general will. Himmelfarb, “The Roads to Modernity,” p. 167-68

c. Robespierre used Rousseau’s call for a “reign of virtue,’ proclaiming the Republic of Virtue, his euphemism for The Terror. In ‘The Social Contract’ Rousseau advocated death for anyone who did not uphold the common values of the community: the totalitarian view of reshaping of humanity, echoed in communism, Nazism, progressivism. Robespierre: “the necessity of bringing about a complete regeneration and, if I may express myself so, of creating a new people.” Himmefarb, Ibid.

d. In this particular idea of the Enlightenment, the need to change human nature, and to eliminate customs and traditions, to remake established institutions, to do away with all inequalities in order to bring man closer to the state, which was the expression of the general will. Talmon, “Origins of Totalitarian Democracy,” p. 3-7

Bottom line: The OW protesters point to the FACT that you have Wall St. folk NOT being punished for the crimes they committed that put our country into an economic dire straits while STILL profitting via the bail out with the tax dollars of the people who are NOT getting jobs because the corporations that are entwined to Wall St. will not hire domestically because it's MORE profitable to outsource jobs and hide profits in off shore banks.....then they bitch about paying 1 to 3% more in taxes despite logging record profits in the last ten years. In New York City, there is no "transaction tax" on the mega profits made on Wall St.....there use to be, and it was serious revenue fo

Bottom line: The OW protesters point to the FACT that you have Wall St. folk NOT being punished for the crimes they committed that put our country into an economic dire straits while STILL profitting via the bail out with the tax dollars of the people who are NOT getting jobs because the corporations that are entwined to Wall St. will not hire domestically because it's MORE profitable to outsource jobs and hide profits in off shore banks.....then they bitch about paying 1 to 3% more in taxes despite logging record profits in the last ten years.

I think the perpetrators should be prosecuted too, and the Government Bureaucrats that ran cover for them too. I bet if that happened there would be allot of sad Holiday tables around DC and the State Capitals as well. A full audit of the Federal, Reserve would send allot of them out of US jurisdiction as well I bet. We are in a losing battle with China if you haven't noticed. We cannot compete with Prison, Slave, Child Labor. We can neither protect our markets. I don't see that as greed. It's survival.

Agreed, but to date the Republican Party du jour along with some Bluedog Democrats have steadfastly fought against precisely what you have advocated here. THAT is the problem, because seriously partisan voters REFUSE to acknowledge these simple facts.

In New York City, there is no "transaction tax" on the mega profits made on Wall St.....there use to be, and it was serious revenue fo

r the State...and all the millionaires and near-millionaires dancing through the upper West Side were none worst for wear. Now there's no transaction tax, and New York is in serious economic dire straits regarding infrastructure, jobs, etc..

I can't believe you are attacking the core of DNC influence and fund raising. Come again? Do you really want to throw the Progressive Upper West Side under the bus? Not that I disapprove mind you, I hate them, I am just shocked that you would fire like that on your own troops. ... On second thought, go for it.

What makes you think that the majority of the Upper West Side in NYC are progressives? Newsflash for ya, THEY'RE NOT! I use to work for one of the investment banking firms in Manhattan, and out of 30 people in that office about 6 could be considered "progressives", let alone liberal....and less than half actually lived in Manhattan. Remember, "Independent" does not equate liberal, nor does geography. Ralph Nader has repeatedly pointed out that the line between conservative and liberal in our 2 political parties has been blurry for decades.

In truth, Wall Street has traditionally paid a good part of State and City Tax in the past. That is changing now, and it is hurting us big time.

I stated as much when I pointed out the issue of the transaction tax.

 

[SAT]

And that's the lynch pin in the whole neocon/teabagger argument against the Health Care Reform law......the deregulated insurance companies had their shot, and they F'ed up royally. Peelo and Potter told the tale from the inside, yet insanely stubborn jokers like "Intense" just cover their ears, close their eyes and yell "socialism!" So long as it's not their butts in a sling, folk like Intense will parrot the party line to the grave.

But sooner or later, it will be their asses in a sling.

Being in my fifties, I know so many people with health problems that would prevent them from getting anything like affordable health insurance, or insurance that will cover what they need most.

 

[Katzndogz]

Enough with the dramatics.

There is no ''lack of access to healthcare"....As long as you practice personal responsibility, provide for yourself what is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, there is no lack of access to healthcare.

Enough with the disinformation. Yes, there is a lack of access for many Americans.

We access health care through health insurance, and insurance is out of reach for many.

Yes, even with personal responsibility, you can find yourself without access to healthcare.

This is something you can realize both through research, and by talking to others.

That is so untrue, it's hard to know where to start! I have never had insurance and was never denied health care. Millions of illegals come here, no insurance, they aren't even citizens and have never been denied health care.

 

[Intense]

Nope, not if it sinks the whole ship. You want to donate it? Nobody is stopping you. You want to set up a system where those that can't pay, give back, in time, by volunteering, go for it. You want a Sex Change, pay for it on your own dime.

It isn't going to sink the ship. What we've got right now is going to, though.

And that's the lynch pin in the whole neocon/teabagger argument against the Health Care Reform law......the deregulated insurance companies had their shot, and they F'ed up royally. Peelo and Potter told the tale from the inside, yet insanely stubborn jokers like "Intense" just cover their ears, close their eyes and yell "socialism!" So long as it's not their butts in a sling, folk like Intense will parrot the party line to the grave.

Crony Capitalism fails, Big Government fails, why not try something different?
Whatever we do, it should be rooted in Doctor/Patient Priorities, not Administrators, not Bureaucrats. Yes there is a deep concern for Oversight, for Transparency, for checks and balances, as there are in all things, so let's reason here. There are experts on all sides of the issue here. Let's hear them out, let's try new things, and advance the cause of what works. That is a Federalist Principle, no? We need affordable alternative, no? There is no telling where the breakthroughs come from sometimes. So within the rules of play, let's allow some leeway. I still think that certain medications and procedures should be on your own dime. This Entitlement Mentality is ripe for Fraud and Abuse. I seriously doubt Anyone of Us wants to be bankrolling that.

 

[SAT]

Enough with the dramatics.

There is no ''lack of access to healthcare"....As long as you practice personal responsibility, provide for yourself what is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, there is no lack of access to healthcare.

Enough with the disinformation. Yes, there is a lack of access for many Americans.

We access health care through health insurance, and insurance is out of reach for many.

Yes, even with personal responsibility, you can find yourself without access to healthcare.

This is something you can realize both through research, and by talking to others.

That is so untrue, it's hard to know where to start! I have never had insurance and was never denied health care. Millions of illegals come here, no insurance, they aren't even citizens and have never been denied health care.

Please tell us more.

How do you get health care?

Tell us the serious and/or chronic medical conditions you have.

Tell us how you pay for chemotherapy, how you pay for the latest cholesterol medications, how you paid for your last colonoscopy, how you pay for your allergy shots, what you do when you dislocate a joint or break a bone, how you covered your surgery for your knee replacement and for the stint you needed after your last heart attack.

Are you talking about the ER only when you talk about illegal immigrants getting "health care"?

 

[SAT]

Crony Capitalism fails, Big Government fails, why not try something different?
Whatever we do, it should be rooted in Doctor/Patient Priorities, not Administrators, not Bureaucrats. Yes there is a deep concern for Oversight, for Transparency, for checks and balances, as there are in all things, so let's reason here. There are experts on all sides of the issue here. Let's hear them out, let's try new things, and advance the cause of what works. That is a Federalist Principle, no? We need affordable alternative, no? There is no telling where the breakthroughs come from sometimes. So within the rules of play, let's allow some leeway. I still think that certain medications and procedures should be on your own dime. This Entitlement Mentality is ripe for Fraud and Abuse. I seriously doubt Anyone of Us wants to be bankrolling that.

Certain procedures are on your own dime already.

Let's hear the new things you think might work.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

1. The OWS movement reflects several aspects of the French Revolution.
Had they an actual education, we would have seen cardboard signs with
"Liberté, égalité, fraternité."

a. égalité..equality...is the demand that the so-called "1%" be brought down to their level.

2. The OWS folks certainly count as a mob.

a. Gustave Le Bon, in his groundbreaking 1896 book, “The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind,” was the first to identify the phenomenon of mass psychology. Both Hitler and Mussolini used his book to understand how to incite a mob.
The administration had hoped to harnass this mob as an ally.

3. In her book, "Demonic," Coulter illustrates how rumors and catch-phrases innervate a mob, and this is clear in that OWS and their supporters believe nonsense such as workers incomes stagnating, or falling, and only some bête noire called the "1%" is thriving, at their expense.

4. The man most identified with the French Revolution is Rousseau, who famously saw man sans government as 'the noble savage,' and some 'general will,' that the group expressed, as the right path. How did that work out in the OWS communes...? An anemic reflection of the French Revolution...without guillotines. Up to now.

a. In France, there was the development of an apparatus of ideological enforcement for ‘reason.’ But rather than necessitate liberty, Edmund Burke was prescient enough to predict that ‘enlightened despotism’ would be embodied in the general will, a formula for oppression as in ‘tyranny of popular opinion’ or even ‘a dictatorship of the proletariat.’

b. Although attributed to Rousseau, it was Diderot who gave the model for totalitarianism of reason: “We must reason about all things,” and anyone who ‘refuses to seek out the truth’ thereby renounces his human nature and “should be treated by the rest of his species as a wild beast.” So, once ‘truth’ is determined, anyone who doesn’t accept it was “either insane or wicked and morally evil.” It is not the individual who has the “ right to decide about the nature of right and wrong,” but only “the human race,” expressed as the general will. Himmelfarb, “The Roads to Modernity,” p. 167-68

c. Robespierre used Rousseau’s call for a “reign of virtue,’ proclaiming the Republic of Virtue, his euphemism for The Terror. In ‘The Social Contract’ Rousseau advocated death for anyone who did not uphold the common values of the community: the totalitarian view of reshaping of humanity, echoed in communism, Nazism, progressivism. Robespierre: “the necessity of bringing about a complete regeneration and, if I may express myself so, of creating a new people.” Himmefarb, Ibid.

d. In this particular idea of the Enlightenment, the need to change human nature, and to eliminate customs and traditions, to remake established institutions, to do away with all inequalities in order to bring man closer to the state, which was the expression of the general will. Talmon, “Origins of Totalitarian Democracy,” p. 3-7

And the conservative solution is what?

Concentrate more wealth into fewer hands.

Go for it.

See how it works out in the end.

Because historically..that's been the downfall of plenty of nations. But conservatives love to do the same stupid thing over and over and over and over again. Expecting different results.

I'd say we should be more like Vietnam or the ChiComs than continue to follow the Failed UberLeftist Progressive Democrat Death by Government Spending and Regulation model.

Let the Free markets prices products and labor

 

[Intense]

Bottom line: The OW protesters point to the FACT that you have Wall St. folk NOT being punished for the crimes they committed that put our country into an economic dire straits while STILL profitting via the bail out with the tax dollars of the people who are NOT getting jobs because the corporations that are entwined to Wall St. will not hire domestically because it's MORE profitable to outsource jobs and hide profits in off shore banks.....then they bitch about paying 1 to 3% more in taxes despite logging record profits in the last ten years. In New York City, there is no "transaction tax" on the mega profits made on Wall St.....there use to be, and it was serious revenue fo

Bottom line: The OW protesters point to the FACT that you have Wall St. folk NOT being punished for the crimes they committed that put our country into an economic dire straits while STILL profitting via the bail out with the tax dollars of the people who are NOT getting jobs because the corporations that are entwined to Wall St. will not hire domestically because it's MORE profitable to outsource jobs and hide profits in off shore banks.....then they bitch about paying 1 to 3% more in taxes despite logging record profits in the last ten years.

I think the perpetrators should be prosecuted too, and the Government Bureaucrats that ran cover for them too. I bet if that happened there would be allot of sad Holiday tables around DC and the State Capitals as well. A full audit of the Federal, Reserve would send allot of them out of US jurisdiction as well I bet. We are in a losing battle with China if you haven't noticed. We cannot compete with Prison, Slave, Child Labor. We can neither protect our markets. I don't see that as greed. It's survival.

Agreed, but to date the Republican Party du jour along with some Bluedog Democrats have steadfastly fought against precisely what you have advocated here. THAT is the problem, because seriously partisan voters REFUSE to acknowledge these simple facts.

In New York City, there is no "transaction tax" on the mega profits made on Wall St.....there use to be, and it was serious revenue fo

I can't believe you are attacking the core of DNC influence and fund raising. Come again? Do you really want to throw the Progressive Upper West Side under the bus? Not that I disapprove mind you, I hate them, I am just shocked that you would fire like that on your own troops. ... On second thought, go for it.

What makes you think that the majority of the Upper West Side in NYC are progressives? Newsflash for ya, THEY'RE NOT! I use to work for one of the investment banking firms in Manhattan, and out of 30 people in that office about 6 could be considered "progressives", let alone liberal....and less than half actually lived in Manhattan. Remember, "Independent" does not equate liberal, nor does geography. Ralph Nader has repeatedly pointed out that the line between conservative and liberal in our 2 political parties has been blurry for decades.

In truth, Wall Street has traditionally paid a good part of State and City Tax in the past. That is changing now, and it is hurting us big time.

I stated as much when I pointed out the issue of the transaction tax.

hat makes you think that the majority of the Upper West Side in NYC are progressives? Newsflash for ya, THEY'RE NOT! I use to work for one of the investment banking firms in Manhattan, and out of 30 people in that office about 6 could be considered "progressives", let alone liberal....and less than half actually lived in Manhattan. Remember, "Independent" does not equate liberal, nor does geography. Ralph Nader has repeatedly pointed out that the line between conservative and liberal in our 2 political parties has been blurry for decades.

Upper West Side is La La Land. Big Money, Left Leaning, Alternate Reality.

When I speak Progressive, I refer to the Camp that is in control, the Camp that Views Individual Liberty as an obstruction, as an offense to the Will of the State. The camp that is Pro Unalienable Rights, I have zero quarrel with. I may be alone in this, but I view Hamilton as the 1st Statist Progressive. There is good in Progressivism, and there is Evil. Anything that steers us towards denial of Free Will, denial of Individual Conscience, I oppose. There is no Collective Conscience. Our Natures require, Each and Every one of Us to be Convinced for Ourselves, not blindly led. That is the rift.

 

[SAT]

Upper West Side is La La Land. Big Money, Left Leaning, Alternate Reality.

When I speak Progressive, I refer to the Camp that is in control, the Camp that Views Individual Liberty as an obstruction, as an offense to the Will of the State. The camp that is Pro Unalienable Rights, I have zero quarrel with. I may be alone in this, but I view Hamilton as the 1st Statist Progressive. There is good in Progressivism, and there is Evil. Anything that steers us towards denial of Free Will, denial of Individual Conscience, I oppose. There is no Collective Conscience. Our Natures require, Each and Every one of Us to be Convinced for Ourselves, not blindly led. That is the rift.

The camp that is in control of what?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

OWS would like to kill every rich person in the failed hopes that it will remove the sting of living the life of a loser

 

[SAT]

OWS would like to kill every rich person in the failed hopes that it will remove the sting of living the life of a loser

 

[Intense]

Upper West Side is La La Land. Big Money, Left Leaning, Alternate Reality.

When I speak Progressive, I refer to the Camp that is in control, the Camp that Views Individual Liberty as an obstruction, as an offense to the Will of the State. The camp that is Pro Unalienable Rights, I have zero quarrel with. I may be alone in this, but I view Hamilton as the 1st Statist Progressive. There is good in Progressivism, and there is Evil. Anything that steers us towards denial of Free Will, denial of Individual Conscience, I oppose. There is no Collective Conscience. Our Natures require, Each and Every one of Us to be Convinced for Ourselves, not blindly led. That is the rift.

The camp that is in control of what?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/187181-classic-liberalism-v-s-progressivism.html#post4204025

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The OWS movement reflects several aspects of the French Revolution.
Had they an actual education, we would have seen cardboard signs with
"Liberté, égalité, fraternité."

a. égalité..equality...is the demand that the so-called "1%" be brought down to their level.

2. The OWS folks certainly count as a mob.

a. Gustave Le Bon, in his groundbreaking 1896 book, “The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind,” was the first to identify the phenomenon of mass psychology. Both Hitler and Mussolini used his book to understand how to incite a mob.
The administration had hoped to harnass this mob as an ally.

3. In her book, "Demonic," Coulter illustrates how rumors and catch-phrases innervate a mob, and this is clear in that OWS and their supporters believe nonsense such as workers incomes stagnating, or falling, and only some bête noire called the "1%" is thriving, at their expense.

4. The man most identified with the French Revolution is Rousseau, who famously saw man sans government as 'the noble savage,' and some 'general will,' that the group expressed, as the right path. How did that work out in the OWS communes...? An anemic reflection of the French Revolution...without guillotines. Up to now.

a. In France, there was the development of an apparatus of ideological enforcement for ‘reason.’ But rather than necessitate liberty, Edmund Burke was prescient enough to predict that ‘enlightened despotism’ would be embodied in the general will, a formula for oppression as in ‘tyranny of popular opinion’ or even ‘a dictatorship of the proletariat.’

b. Although attributed to Rousseau, it was Diderot who gave the model for totalitarianism of reason: “We must reason about all things,” and anyone who ‘refuses to seek out the truth’ thereby renounces his human nature and “should be treated by the rest of his species as a wild beast.” So, once ‘truth’ is determined, anyone who doesn’t accept it was “either insane or wicked and morally evil.” It is not the individual who has the “ right to decide about the nature of right and wrong,” but only “the human race,” expressed as the general will. Himmelfarb, “The Roads to Modernity,” p. 167-68

c. Robespierre used Rousseau’s call for a “reign of virtue,’ proclaiming the Republic of Virtue, his euphemism for The Terror. In ‘The Social Contract’ Rousseau advocated death for anyone who did not uphold the common values of the community: the totalitarian view of reshaping of humanity, echoed in communism, Nazism, progressivism. Robespierre: “the necessity of bringing about a complete regeneration and, if I may express myself so, of creating a new people.” Himmefarb, Ibid.

d. In this particular idea of the Enlightenment, the need to change human nature, and to eliminate customs and traditions, to remake established institutions, to do away with all inequalities in order to bring man closer to the state, which was the expression of the general will. Talmon, “Origins of Totalitarian Democracy,” p. 3-7

Bottom line: The OW protesters point to the FACT that you have Wall St. folk NOT being punished for the crimes they committed that put our country into an economic dire straits while STILL profitting via the bail out with the tax dollars of the people who are NOT getting jobs because the corporations that are entwined to Wall St. will not hire domestically because it's MORE profitable to outsource jobs and hide profits in off shore banks.....then they bitch about paying 1 to 3% more in taxes despite logging record profits in the last ten years. In New York City, there is no "transaction tax" on the mega profits made on Wall St.....there use to be, and it was serious revenue for the State...and all the millionaires and near-millionaires dancing through the upper West Side were none worst for wear. Now there's no transaction tax, and New York is in serious economic dire straits regarding infrastructure, jobs, etc..

Nothing in what I've stated here is remotely similar to all the supposition and conjecture posted by Political Chic....and EVERYTHING I've stated can be documented, verified and validated. Can Political Chic say the same?

"...Wall St. folk NOT being punished for the crimes they committed..."

What crimes?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The ER is not health care. Try again.

That depends now doesn't it. You want to argue that while you bleed out? I don't think so. You seem to think that actions have no consequences I guess. Nobody should have to pay anything at all for Health Care right? How about Cable? How about Electric? How about Gas? Hey, I want an Ocean View. When my home gets hit with flooding you should bail me out too. Hypodermics and condoms should be free, right. And I want a bright red Fire-Truck for Christmas, a real one.

Your comment is senseless. My point is that health care is more than the ER. Not that you don't need the ER.

Health care isn't like cable. You know that.

I look forward to the time when you know something about the subject on which you post.

....right after the next glacier.


While you and the other Liberals know what is better for others, be advised that the earlier attempt at ObamaCare, that would be RomneyCare, has resulted in increased use of ER's.

It seems that the folks don't agree with you about ER's....they think it's healthcare.

More people are seeking care in hospital emergency rooms, and the cost of caring for ER patients has soared 17 percent over two years, despite efforts to direct patients with nonurgent problems to primary care doctors instead, according to new state data. ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

Dunce.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your comment is senseless. My point is that health care is more than the ER. Not that you don't need the ER.

Health care isn't like cable. You know that.

I know what Health Care is. Do you understand Value for Value?

Health care isn't like cable. You know that.

So you agree the Government should not be bankrolling Cell Phones, Air-conditioners, Utilities, all services which artificially increase the cost to the rest of us and add undue burden. Glad you are starting to catch on.

And now you're just lobbing talking points.

He knows whereof he speaks. His post is no more than a logical extension of the following:

"In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education."
Second Bill of Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia